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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 8, 2011 15:17:42 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see why it has to be so important to point out these miniscule differences. People in the northern Balkan region are generally tall , so what?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 8, 2011 17:29:45 GMT -5
i just like to be precise.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jun 24, 2011 20:35:19 GMT -5
^I hope you know Coon believed that the UP strain in Dinarics was very ancient and didn't come in any relatively recent time like the Serbo-Croat migrations. And what the hell does have to do with Yugoslav borreby-dinarics, in what way that implies the UP element among yugoslavs in "Illyrian". The fact that the Yugoslavic gigantic semi-dinaric types sharply decrease with Albanians is itself a reason to consider a migration explanation. Haplogroup I2a2 is almost absent among northern Albanians.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jun 24, 2011 20:41:46 GMT -5
babylon - you're so sure "you wish you could be all your money on it"? that doesn't sound so sure to me compadre. I think what I wrote is pretty much straight forward, I don't double speak, or complain and make excuses to re-adjust reality to my fantasy land, don't assume I'm like you. I'm certain I will not. If I'm wrong you know I will. But you? You don't even have the guts to take a position, you reject my theory but at the same time will not state your position.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jun 24, 2011 20:50:44 GMT -5
An Albanian from the clan of Shoshi in the isolated mountain tribe of Dukagin. This man is a blond giant with a broad, heavy-boned body; .... Alright i admit that the notion of the huge Serb is heavily exaggerated, there are loads of small or medium sized Serbs, and the average i believe (especially in Serbia) is not much larger than Bulgaria/Romania/Greece. But, even in supposedly "short" regions (like Leskovac/Nis) you can easily see surprisingly tall men (210cm) and women (190cm). But Albs??? Alb Giant??? This is pure BS. Any tall element in Albanians is 100% due to Slavic influence. We have almost 1,000,000 albs here in central Greece, and i have never seen one above 200cm, and very few above 190cm. Among Serbs, even in the short regions, there is surely one man above 200cm in every 50 man or so. (in Bosna this number is one man above 200cm in every 20 man) Very edgy there, you sound like a cultural marxists. And Swedes are not a light haired people, because I've seen a few who are not blonde, stereotyping is wrong and false. Now I advise you next time you are in London, or Berlin or New York, walk down the ghetto or third world immigrant neighborhoods, because not all are criminals, so it should be as equally safe as walking in a Swedish village. Bosnian and Bosnian Croats have even higher frequency of Haplgroup I2a2, which is why they are taller.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jul 5, 2011 19:22:24 GMT -5
This is not my discovery, but I forgot to add, that I2a2 is almost lacking outside the balkans + eastern Europe, basically not found anywhere outside areas that are settled or once settled by Slavs. For example E1b1b1 and J2 are found in regions where Rome once ruled; ie Balkanic recruits in the legions, tradesman, or even slaves would have moved and interacted within the empire and have left decedents. But I2a2 lineages are completely lacking in the western world, which can only be explained that I2a2 came with Slavic expansion into the Byzantine world.
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Post by ulf on Jul 5, 2011 19:55:43 GMT -5
Yes, agreed to the most things you wrote here. The last is the reason I had my reasons to believe that I2a2 is Slavic(basically non-present among non-Slavic people)
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Jul 5, 2011 20:26:52 GMT -5
By same reasoning can also be proved that haplogroup I are Cro-Magnons. However just as important for me is physical anthropology. Cro-Magnon or haplogrouo I individuals are just metrically bigger(heads, faces and body) than none haplogroup I individuals. The biggest Europeans are yugo-slavs and Germanics, both groups carry large doses of haplogroup I ratios. These were the last folks to adopt farming, so they have degenerated the least(thats a big topic on its own).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 14, 2011 5:53:29 GMT -5
Alright i admit that the notion of the huge Serb is heavily exaggerated, there are loads of small or medium sized Serbs, and the average i believe (especially in Serbia) is not much larger than Bulgaria/Romania/Greece. But, even in supposedly "short" regions (like Leskovac/Nis) you can easily see surprisingly tall men (210cm) and women (190cm). But Albs??? Alb Giant??? This is pure BS. Any tall element in Albanians is 100% due to Slavic influence. We have almost 1,000,000 albs here in central Greece, and i have never seen one above 200cm, and very few above 190cm. Among Serbs, even in the short regions, there is surely one man above 200cm in every 50 man or so. (in Bosna this number is one man above 200cm in every 20 man) Very edgy there, you sound like a cultural marxists. And Swedes are not a light haired people, because I've seen a few who are not blonde, stereotyping is wrong and false. Now I advise you next time you are in London, or Berlin or New York, walk down the ghetto or third world immigrant neighborhoods, because not all are criminals, so it should be as equally safe as walking in a Swedish village. Bosnian and Bosnian Croats have even higher frequency of Haplgroup I2a2, which is why they are taller. What the fu ck didn't you understand again? Can't you read? What is this stupid stories about ghettos and swedes? nothing edgy, just MASSIVE observations on MASSIVE samples. I do not care about Marx's theories. Your arguments have absolutely no connection with my post. They could fit some albanian story about tall albanian people (my cousin is ... bla bla, i have seen bla bla), but not my post. An easy measure is to count the first ppl you meet on the street, assess their height, repeat the other day, for some days and then classify this particular region, by terms of 1 person over 200cm in every group of N persons for that region. Do you have anything more effective/accurate than that? Pls, if you have nothing to add, then try to avoid trolling. (there are better trolls than you here) thnx.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 14, 2011 12:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 14, 2011 13:01:43 GMT -5
^^ Believes his own BS Boli te sta Hrvati i Bosnjaci te I2a2 najvise nose u sebi , je li? U samoj Bosni : Bosanski Hrvati svega 72% ga nose , Bosnjaci - 48% , a na koncu Vlasi - 31% lol . Srbija nesto manje Bolje ti je rec --- Najpurplenija ( ljubicascija) je HRVATSKA !!!
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Post by terroreign on Jul 14, 2011 14:55:16 GMT -5
lol to je sve bosna i hercegovina, krajina i dalmacija, inace etnicke srpske pokrajine
cinjenica da bosanski muslimani imaju jos srpske krvi u venama nije sporno, uglavnom su presli u islamu da bi spasili svoje zene od turaka...
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 15, 2011 15:42:04 GMT -5
Po tebi Srbi nisu pravi etnos ako su samo 'Slaveni.' Ako uzimamo tvoj stav i provjerimo ga u kontekstu - Bizantski Car u svom djelu opisuje ustvari dva naseljena *prava* (Narod sa IMENOM, vodstvom, bastinom) naroda a ta su Bugari i Hrvati. Kad o 'Srbima' pisuje , pisuje bezimeni narod koji govore slavenskim narjecijem ( zamisli sta su Makedonci danas) pa je njima dao narodno ime po 'Servusima' takodjer ' Robovima' E , zato Srbi nisu imali svoju drzavu 'Srbiju' do kasnijih vjekova jer sami nisu znali sta su niti kako je ( svoju drzavu) imenovat lol. Njihova drzava se zvala 'Raska' a to po nekoj rijeci koja je poznata kod tih slavena ( pretci kasnijih Srba) This is what I'm talking about. Year 900 AD and no 'Serbia' actually exists in the Balkans but you can see Croatia and Bulgaria clearly. Rascia would later become Serbia but in 900 AD those Slavs had no particular identity yet. No potpuno se slazem s tobom da su ,u tim davnim stoljecima, nazivi Srb i Slav znacili jedan te isti jer po drugim jezicima imaju ta dva imena isto znacenje ' Rob , podcovik , stranac' . No medu samim Slavenima nije postojalo zajednicko narodno ime na svom jeziku nego su im to dali drugi ( kao Sarmatski Hrvati - hrvatsko ime i je dosta puta zapisano u vezi Perzijskih obitelja i naroda) ljudi koji su njih organizirali u jedno vijece ( kao vojski konjanici i kopni zapovijednici) ali su postali asimilirani po jeziku veceg podvrgnutog naroda. Stoga zelim pokazivat da Srbi su ( bili ) u istom loncu s danasnjim Slovencima i Slovacima .. neki bezimeni narod koji govore slavenskim narjecjem. Stoga isto dodajem da je pravoslavlje pobijedilo ovaj dio Slavena i stvorio im sposebnu istovjetnost na Balkanu. Samo od krscenja svetog Save ste poceli sam sebe nazivat 'Srbima' jer tijekom onih dana ste dobili slavensku , pogotovo nebugarsku , pravoslavnu crkvu na ovim podrucjima ( koja se NIJE prosirila do veceg kraja Bosne do Osmanlije) Mislim da zbog toga nemate nikakvo pravo na 'etnicka podrijetla' jer on svoj etnos je jako sumljiv kad ga usporedimo na ove cinjenice.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jul 15, 2011 16:40:21 GMT -5
Check out this bad boy : Found at a grave site in Kapitul in KNIN dating from the IX century. It reads in Latin : 'Cl(a)u dux Hroator(um) in te(m)pus D(omini)...' or 'Buried in time , the Lord's ( chosen) , The duke of the Croats' Yeah , Srbija my arse. Luv ya guys
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Aug 24, 2011 11:47:48 GMT -5
What the fu ck didn't you understand again? Can't you read? What is this stupid stories about ghettos and swedes? nothing edgy, just MASSIVE observations on MASSIVE samples. I do not care about Marx's theories. Your arguments have absolutely no connection with my post. They could fit some albanian story about tall albanian people (my cousin is ... bla bla, i have seen bla bla), but not my post. Relax girly man, stop getting emotional. I see you got upset on Coons plate of Albanians, while I was responding to your idiotic rant how not all Serbs are big, I've seen some small ones blah blah blah, so we can't stereotype. Serbs defining character is their bigness, especially since they inhabit southern Europe where most inhabitants are not tall and big. This trait obviously has a biological basis as I've shown. I could care less what you think of Albanians, take your complaining to Coon. Cultural Marxism is not even something Marx wrote, but an 'genius' like you can never get beyond the Vatican-Anglo-Saxon rant. Yeah what did you discover, are Serbs not tall? Moron, I never seen you add anything on a GENETIC thread, a big fat zero. You do not even know what haplogroup I2a2 is. You invade this thread, complain like girl on her period and tell me to get out of a thread I started regarding a topic completely incomprehensible to you? Fuk off girly man!
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Nov 6, 2011 11:39:27 GMT -5
Intersting map of I2a2-Dinaric I2a2 north of Danube matches quite well with the original Slavic homeland. I2a2, might have been leading slavic haplogroup, the starting/active ingridient that lead to the formation of Slavic people.
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