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Post by terroreign on Jun 6, 2011 3:06:23 GMT -5
^please no bulgarian reactions or remarks to this, thanks
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 6, 2011 4:47:53 GMT -5
"i have no hatred towards bulgaria or bulgarians, but likewise i see alot of hatred towards macedonians from the bulgarian side - media, political parties, nationalists etc. it is a shame."
Those people you describe are BuLgari, whereas western bulgarians or *Bugari* are different. Just have a read through past topics here and you will notice the BuLgarin character.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2011 6:37:12 GMT -5
How would you say "hello" in ancient macedonian... zdravevski? no, i would say Zdravo, just like the Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia does... In ...(Aegean... ) Macedonia there isn't any Macedonian minority. There is a Macedonian majority , and for hello they say yeia or hairete... "Zdravo" has more to do with Russias and Croatias than Makedonia and Makedonians... PS. skase minara pyrrovski.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2011 6:57:41 GMT -5
^^^ Patrine, any Slav from Makedonia is more Greek (Indoeuropean) than any Albanian (you included). PS For those who do not know, Patrinos (supposed) land in south Greece used to still have over 1000 slavic toponyms till 1926 when the major renaming campaign was done. So i guess there was loads of "Russias" and "Croatias" in those lands some years ago.... ;D
Sadly those lands are lost to Slavs, just like Greece, Epiros, Albania and Kosovo. Now in those places live useless Albanians.
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Post by ioan on Jun 6, 2011 7:01:39 GMT -5
western bulgarians or *Bugari* are different. what is 100 percent sure is that they arent serbs. what is 100 percent sure is that they are bulgarians.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 6, 2011 7:34:39 GMT -5
western bulgarians or *Bugari* are different. what is 100 percent sure is that they arent serbs. what is 100 percent sure is that they are bulgarians. +++
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 6, 2011 7:35:15 GMT -5
^ I know in western Bugarska, not BuLgarska beyond the *YAT* division, there are too many things that are Serbian, you know Ioan'che like Vidovden or the language of the local inhabitants of towns like Vidin or Tran etc....western bugarska is too alien for BuLgari east of YAT. Relatives of the BuLgari are Turkish Gagauzi, right?
PS Even at 1872 and beyond 1872 the people were never BuLgari, maybe Bulgarianised, but never a BuLgarin like you.
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Post by ioan on Jun 6, 2011 7:59:53 GMT -5
^ I know in western Bugarska, not Bu Lgarska beyond the *YAT* division, there are too many things that are Serbian, you know Ioan'che like Vidovden or the language of the local inhabitants of towns like Vidin or Tran etc....western bugarska is too alien for Bu Lgari east of YAT. The differences between the Bulgarian dialects devided by the YAT line are very very minor. A Bulgarian from Varna have no problem to communicated with a Bulgarian from Vidin (or even with a person from Ohrid after centuries of serbanization). Why? Because the structure of the language is all the same in the whole of Bulgaria, Macedonia, Torlakia. However it is hard for me to understand Serbian, even though there are alot of common words, but the grammer is totally alien. Thus you have too many cases and it is hard to get what the role of the words in the sentance is... So of course it is very very hard to understand the whole logic of the sentance even though the lexic is very similar to Bulgarian. Thats why it is impossible to claim that Serbian is interchargable with Bulgarian/Macedonian/Torlakian. The grammer is totally alien. Thats why Serbian is southwestern and Bulgarian/Macedonian/Torlakian arent. I have 0 problem to understand Macedonian because I know the purpose of any word in the sentance. There are some words incorporated through the serbian influence that sound like very archaic bulgarian words. Is it proven by someone? Or is it just your wishful thinking. They speak totally different language from Bulgarian. One is a turkic language, the other is slavic. Conclusion: Gagauz relation to Bulgarians can not be proven. Macedonian/Torlakian relation to Bulgarian can be easily proven. All three are southeastern slavic, all have the same grammer, share the same balkan features with each other. They can be seen as dialects of one language with virtually the most important features of those languages being the same. They are interchargable. It means they were Bulgarians. Its your countless attempt to proove they are something different to Bulgarians. It fails big time.
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Post by ivo on Jun 6, 2011 8:30:47 GMT -5
I think Chentovist is a Serb, the same one that was impersonating Bulgarian members.
Anyway, as for Pazar and Kriv, all I have to say is.. damn you guys are ignorant. Your entire knowledge is based on some old school Serbian propaganda and the assumption that ALL Balkan Slavs are Serbs. You're so misinformed it's funny.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 6, 2011 8:31:08 GMT -5
Any attempt of yours to write something in Serbian or Bulgarian is a total failure, Pazar. It should be the Bulgarski character. Please, show your stupidity in English only.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2011 8:43:20 GMT -5
Anyway, as for Pazar and Kriv, all I have to say is.. damn you guys are ignorant. Your entire knowledge is based on some old school Serbian propaganda and the assumption that ALL Balkan Slavs are Serbs. You're so misinformed it's funny. I agree with you on this. There is a huge "Antes" impact on the eastern Bulgarian culture and language. That is why official Bulgarian is closer to Russian, while western Bugarski is so similar to Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2011 8:44:41 GMT -5
I think Chentovist is a Serb, the same one that was impersonating Bulgarian members. LMAO!! Azize!!!! In the end you will tag 99.99% of Makedonians as Serbs, which will be ..... accidentally ... TRUE!!!
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Post by ivo on Jun 6, 2011 9:21:01 GMT -5
LOL. What a retard. You're dead wrong bro.
It seems Serbs have the tendency to impersonate Bulgarians on the forum, and I think this new "Macedonian" member is one of those Serbs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2011 10:03:13 GMT -5
Idiot, it is clear from miles that he is not a Serb. But a short-minded mongol like you would never feel the difference. Aziz, you are more stupid than the stupidest i have ever met.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 6, 2011 10:03:56 GMT -5
LOL. What a retard. You're dead wrong bro. Vhod, Vse, etc.... sure, whatever you say bro...
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Post by Sokol on Jun 6, 2011 19:49:42 GMT -5
I can assure you all that I am neither Serb, nor Bulgarian, but am MACEDONIAN. My family hails from the Bitola region of Macedonia. For Macedonians, Serbian, Croatian and Bulgarian are equally intelligible.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 6, 2011 21:55:30 GMT -5
"In the end you will tag 99.99% of Makedonians as Serbs, which will be ..... accidentally ... TRUE!!!"
Pyrro, even if they are neutral (Fyromians/vardar banovina) the BuLgari will label them 'Serbs' as a derogatory term. The BuLgarski mind is too fixated on this region, they are desparate....believe me Pyrro, they are waiting for an opportunity to rise again to steal this region.
PS l like the french map topic brate, its a good one. The BuLgarski comments there are just gold, you know, their propaganda about the serbs with their assimilation program etc.....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 7, 2011 1:16:44 GMT -5
Brate there is more coming from the GERMAN OFFICIAL HISTORICAL MUSEUM OF BERLIN!!!
Ha ha, i have somth that qualifies as NEUTRAL-WESTERN source by the mongo criteria.
HA HA HA we will have a good laugh my brother, like we always do!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 7, 2011 1:59:49 GMT -5
^ can't wait ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 7, 2011 2:04:08 GMT -5
LOL!!
i want to warm up the Tatars a little bit bro!! I want to see them suffering in agony!!
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