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Post by Sokol on Jun 2, 2011 23:01:14 GMT -5
Greek foreign minister: Upper Macedonia, Northern Macedonia are acceptable solutions for Greece 02 June 2011 | 14:38 | FOCUS News Agency Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans Athens. “A name with a geographic term is an acceptable solution for Greece for the name dispute with Macedonia, sais Greek foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas, Macedonian Sitel TV reports. Droutsas added that Athens finds acceptable names such as Upper Macedonia or Northern Macedonia, which to be adopted for international use. According to Droutsas, this would eliminate all territorial or nationalist issues. The Greek minister said further that there is a change in Skopje’s approach towards the name dispute. “They realised that the name dispute should be solved so as to have a real perspective,” Dimitris Droutsas remarked. www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n251329
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Post by uz on Jun 3, 2011 22:59:16 GMT -5
The fact that this is about rightful nationalism is bullshit as is. The people will call themselves whatever they want anyway.
No one has the right to claim Alexander the Great as their ancestor. 300 something b.c... for fuck sakes are we really this primitive?
Why can Northern Macedonia work, and F.Y.R Macedonia can't?
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Post by Sokol on Jun 5, 2011 19:58:55 GMT -5
Indeed, most of the world recognises us as Macedonians and our country as R. Macedonia. Likewise most media refer to our country as Macedonia. It seems, the problem is limited to Greece.
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Post by uz on Jun 5, 2011 20:03:22 GMT -5
I beleive this problem is hugely exagerated. Greece is holding this against the Mac's simply because they can, just like the EU was holding Mladic against Serbia simply because they could.
It's all bullshit at the end of the day, and none of this should matter. The overall problem is not "out-there", actually it's us. They know what makes us tick, they know the love we have for our lands, they know how we stand by our own and they know how to manipulate these factors.
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Post by Sokol on Jun 5, 2011 20:39:06 GMT -5
True uz. Greece should drop the games. We have much more in common with each other, than we do with the western Europeans. These artificial problems between us should not exist.
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Post by uz on Jun 5, 2011 20:45:01 GMT -5
A Balkan Union is needed.
No one understands the Balkans more than the Balkan people.
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Post by Sokol on Jun 5, 2011 20:56:16 GMT -5
This is a good idea, however it has been proposed before and not succeeded. If was partially attempted under SFRJ, but failed. I think a Balkan economic zone would probably be more acceptable to the Balkan peoples.
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Post by uz on Jun 5, 2011 21:03:42 GMT -5
The Balkan region is in the center-zone, between the East and West.
Most people I speak to about this about immediatly dismiss the thought. It is because of this dismissal that we will always be at the clutch of the EU and at our own mercy.
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Post by Sokol on Jun 5, 2011 21:15:27 GMT -5
The idea is good, but when you get into the technicalities, it falls apart. Official language? location of capital city? State symbols? Army? Police? Language of Army, police etc etc etc. The history of unity in the Balkans is not great unfortunately.
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Post by uz on Jun 5, 2011 21:19:14 GMT -5
Why have one official language? We teach the young to learn each others language.
Why have one capital? Each "state" will have their own head.
Why not have a new symbol, symbolizing the Balkan Unity?
Of course its not simple, but if the people want this it can happen. We just need to put our emotions aside for a moment and think collectively.
We the Balkan people wear the same shoes.
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Post by ioan on Jun 6, 2011 8:15:18 GMT -5
But isnt Upper Macedonia, Northern Macedonia more unappropriate to Greeks. Dont these names apply that there is Lower and Southern Macedonia? Except that from Bulgarian point of view the name is wrong. It should be northwestern Macedonia.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 6, 2011 12:40:33 GMT -5
This is a good idea, however it has been proposed before and not succeeded. If was partially attempted under SFRJ, but failed. I think a Balkan economic zone would probably be more acceptable to the Balkan peoples. Maybe you guys should try it without Croatia , Croat part of Bosnia, and Slovenia this time. Minus the aforementioned places , its all made perfectly for eachother. You would have a majority Orthodox union and probably give the leadership back to Serbia ( unless Greece or Bulgaria wanted it). But then again you guys might want to try without Serbia as well since even Montenegro didn't want a union when it was just those two republics. I support your union
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Post by Sokol on Jun 6, 2011 20:08:52 GMT -5
I think so too. If there is a Upper or Northern Macedonia, then surely there must be a southern Macedonia?? Maybe the Greeks can enlighten us as to why they prefer this solution.
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Post by rex362 on Jun 21, 2011 20:07:22 GMT -5
albamakosova ?
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 25, 2011 3:24:27 GMT -5
To clarify something; Greek foreign minister: Upper Macedonia, Northern Macedonia are acceptable solutions for GreeceNO! Its acceptable solution for Athens! In a poll contacted in Macedonia and especially the city of Thessaloniki, 95% of the Macedonians do not accept a geographic term with the word "Macedonia" for FYROM. ps. One more reason why Macedonians dont like Athenians! Uz The people will call themselves whatever they want anyway.No, people dont have the right to call themselves whatever they want if they have as a target to deceive other people! Even in this forum, I dont have the right to use your name and make statetements representing... you. chentovist Indeed, most of the world recognises us as Macedonians and our country as R. Macedonia. Likewise most media refer to our country as Macedonia. It seems, the problem is limited to Greece.No, the problem is yours since we're your neighbors and we will be here for the next 10,000 years! Zimbambue does not affect you; Greece does and will. Also, the problem is yours since EU is your target and the basic rule of EU is "good neighboring relations". You cannot satisfy that rule when you try to irritate and deceive your neighbors. So.. no EU & Nato for ever.. unless start you telling the trouth about.. you. We're in, you're not. Its your problem! Chentovist True uz. Greece should drop the games. We have much more in common with each other, than we do with the western Europeans. These artificial problems between us should not exist. I agree with the Balkan union. Artificial problems should stop and the first step is to stop artificial countries. In Balkans there are only the following ethnic groups: Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Serbs, Croatians, Rumanians. Bosnia, FYROM, Kossovo, Montenegro are artificial countries with the tendecy to create new and fake ethnic groups..! Wtf means "Bosnian" ?!!! Isnt she/he a Serb or Croatian Muslim??!!! Wtf means "Kossovar" ?!! Isnt she/he an Albanian???!! etc etc.. Chentovist location of capital city?Thessaloniki sounds fine! Chentovist I think so too. If there is a Upper or Northern Macedonia, then surely there must be a southern Macedonia?? Maybe the Greeks can enlighten us as to why they prefer this solution.Maybe an Athenean can enlightern you. A Macedonian, cannot.
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Post by Sokol on Jul 8, 2011 1:06:49 GMT -5
so kassandros, you are a macedonian and don't like athenian rule? well, perhaps joining the republic of macedonia is the answer perhaps one united macedonia is the solution. we can have two official state languages if you like - macedonian and greek! opa!
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Post by Kastorianos on Jul 8, 2011 4:41:43 GMT -5
I agree with Kassandros there is only one Macedonia, how are you slavs Macedonians? On what basis? Because your lands were called Macedonia by the Ottomans?
How can you claim ancient Macedonia if 95% of your country lies outside of ancient Macedonia? Chose another name, 100 years ago you did anyway fight for Bulgaria and felt Bulgarian...join Bulgaria or sth..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 27, 2011 23:28:29 GMT -5
so kassandros, you are a macedonian and don't like athenian rule? well, perhaps joining the republic of macedonia is the answer perhaps one united macedonia is the solution. we can have two official state languages if you like - macedonian and greek! opa! yeap, I'm Macedonian and I dont like Athenean rule as my ancestors during the city states era didnt like Athenean rule and... conquered them. Bavarians also dont like Berlin rule and they have their own parliament. But afterall.. .they're all Germans Unfortunately for you, even if we had our own rule.. what you have to do about it? Its all about Macedonian will.. Why we should adopt as second official language the Bulgarian one? Bulgarian is for Bulgarians... and you! ;D ;D
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Post by Sokol on Aug 1, 2011 0:45:21 GMT -5
so kassandros, you are a macedonian and don't like athenian rule? well, perhaps joining the republic of macedonia is the answer perhaps one united macedonia is the solution. we can have two official state languages if you like - macedonian and greek! opa! yeap, I'm Macedonian and I dont like Athenean rule as my ancestors during the city states era didnt like Athenean rule and... conquered them. Bavarians also dont like Berlin rule and they have their own parliament. But afterall.. .they're all Germans Unfortunately for you, even if we had our own rule.. what you have to do about it? Its all about Macedonian will.. Why we should adopt as second official language the Bulgarian one? Bulgarian is for Bulgarians... and you! ;D ;D i know you want to block your eyes and pretend we don't exist, but we do my malaki friend. time is on our side. as your economy slides deeper into shit, i delight in the fact that ours is growing. the name dispute will be resolved, but you will still have a fucked economy. more and more slavic speakers in your borders will be attracted to their co-nationals over the border. i guess the athenians will then welcome you with open arms vulgaroi!
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Post by ivo on Aug 10, 2011 21:15:39 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name "Republic of Macedonia". I also think that if Macedonia starts teaching its real history, instead of the version devised by Tito during Yugoslavia, Macedonia's political problems would be resolved.
If Macedonia represents an accurate depiction of its history, I don't think Greece would object to the name "Republic of Macedonia". They'd have no reason to.
Technically, the term 'Macedonian' was not meant to be an "ethnic" designation. A 'Macedonian', originally, was meant to designate ALL people from the geographic region of Macedonia regardless of their ethnicity.
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