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Post by Sokol on Aug 10, 2011 22:18:50 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name "Republic of Macedonia". I also think that if Macedonia starts teaching its real history, instead of the version devised by Tito during Yugoslavia, Macedonia's political problems would be resolved. If Macedonia represents an accurate depiction of its history, I don't think Greece would object to the name "Republic of Macedonia". They'd have no reason to. Technically, the term 'Macedonian' was not meant to be an "ethnic" designation. A 'Macedonian', originally, was meant to designate ALL people from the geographic region of Macedonia regardless of their ethnicity. actually the history taught in communist macedonia is not the same as that taught today. in yugoslav macedonia, we were taught that today's macedonians are descendents of slav tribes that settled macedonia in the 6th century. nowdays ancient macedonia is studied and the official position is we are descendents of slavs and ancient macedonians, which i believe is more accurate. Some Macedonian nationalists go a step further and say were are direct descendents of ancient Macedonians, with little or no Slavic influence. I disagree with this, and this is not the official stance of R.Macedonia. I think if our problems with Greece and Bulgaria were resolved, then other aspects of our history could also be incorporated.
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Post by ivo on Aug 22, 2011 9:01:11 GMT -5
The root driving factor was the same, and that was to diminish or even completely 'erase' all knowledge of anything Bulgarian in the region.
Ahh so we've got a chicken and egg type situation here. One cannot occur without the other, and each country feels itself just.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 22, 2011 19:48:14 GMT -5
The root driving factor was the same, and that was to diminish or even completely 'erase' all knowledge of anything Bulgarian in the region.
This may be partially true. The intent was to foster brotherhood and unity amongst the yugoslav nations. Therefore Macedonian nationalism, and Bulgarian for that matter were suppressed. Idrizovo and other yugo prisons housed Macedonian nationalists, and pro-Bulgar Macedonians alike. Those who espoused separatism were the enemy, whether they were Macedonian nationalists or pro-Bulgar Macedonians. Many of the founders of VMRO-DPMNE came from both camps. The vast majority however were Macedonian nationalists of the Dragan Bogdanovski kind.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 22, 2011 19:54:55 GMT -5
Upper Macedonia or Northern Macedonia or New Macedonia bla bla bla ...
Fyrom claims on the Greek region Macedonia with the same name in northern Greece such country name it is not acceptable.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 23, 2011 0:41:05 GMT -5
Upper Macedonia or Northern Macedonia or New Macedonia bla bla bla ... Fyrom claims on the Greek region Macedonia with the same name in northern Greece such country name it is not acceptable. Northern Macedonia will be united with Southern Macedonia. Problem solved.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 24, 2011 19:02:35 GMT -5
ancient macedonians hate you so much they will never united with fake mac ... greece will you never recognize for the greeks u are simple republik skopia!
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Post by Sokol on Aug 24, 2011 19:04:54 GMT -5
ancient macedonians hate you so much they will never united with fake mac ... i have more ancient macedonian blood in me, then you have prosfiga. go back to pontus you turk!
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 24, 2011 23:54:35 GMT -5
take your pills malaka ;D greeks was not allowed to mixed with turks you are a kolojanitzare nothing more an basta,, hahahaha
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Post by Sokol on Aug 25, 2011 0:56:38 GMT -5
take your pills malaka ;D greeks was not allowed to mixed with turks you are a kolojanitzare nothing more an basta,, hahahaha huh? learn some english fuck-wit
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 25, 2011 1:08:11 GMT -5
i dont need to type english in a greek forum
αγράμματε γυφτοσκοπιανε σαν πολύ μάγκας μας το παίζεις εδω !! θα σε σιαξω εγω ...
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 25, 2011 8:08:15 GMT -5
Greek men are sexy. I want to marry one.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:16:15 GMT -5
ancient macedonians hate you so much they will never united with fake mac ... i have more ancient macedonian blood in me, then you have prosfiga. go back to pontus you turk! How long exactly have you been living with this delusion?
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:18:27 GMT -5
True uz. Greece should drop the games. We have much more in common with each other, than we do with the western Europeans. These artificial problems between us should not exist. ... talking of 'artificial problems' ... ;D
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:26:25 GMT -5
actually the history taught in communist macedonia is not the same as that taught today. in yugoslav macedonia, we were taught that today's macedonians are descendents of slav tribes that settled macedonia in the 6th century. nowdays ancient macedonia is studied and the official position is we are descendents of slavs and ancient macedonians, which i believe is more accurate. Some Macedonian nationalists go a step further and say were are direct descendents of ancient Macedonians, with little or no Slavic influence. I disagree with this, and this is not the official stance of R.Macedonia. I think if our problems with Greece and Bulgaria were resolved, then other aspects of our history could also be incorporated. Do tell ... how did this happen? Where precisely did your Slavic great-grandfathers find these ancient Macedonians and what language were they speaking? When did the new momentous mixture realise it was something special and distinct and that it should call itself 'Macedonian'? Why is there nary a mention of this development in any primary source such that it is left only to the fertile imaginings of FYROM 'academics' and their lunatic diaspora to peddle this convenient fantasy?
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:32:34 GMT -5
True uz. Greece should drop the games. We have much more in common with each other, than we do with the western Europeans. These artificial problems between us should not exist. There are no games being played by your side, right? No giant stalinist era statues of Alexander atop Bucephalus rearing on its hind legs (as if getting ready to take one giant dump in the centre of Skopje) so that you can try and convince the world and yourselves of who you are?
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Aug 25, 2011 8:40:26 GMT -5
i have more ancient macedonian blood in me, then you have prosfiga. go back to pontus you turk! How long exactly have you been living with this delusion? ... and by the way, there is every chance that a Greek of refugee stock - provided he is from certain specific regions of Anatolia and Thrace known to have taken ancient Macedonian settlers (parts of Anatolia) and medieval Macedonian refugees (Thrace) - has more ancient Macedonian blood than you. Granted, you most probably have more 'Macedonian' blood than Boris Yeltsin although being from Bitola you might find that any possible 'ancient blood' you carry is actually Epirotic/Molossian ... Greek-speaking cousins of the Makedones who eventually came to be known as 'Upper Macedonians'.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 25, 2011 13:51:57 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name "Republic of Macedonia". I also think that if Macedonia starts teaching its real history, instead of the version devised by Tito during Yugoslavia, Macedonia's political problems would be resolved. If Macedonia represents an accurate depiction of its history, I don't think Greece would object to the name "Republic of Macedonia". They'd have no reason to. Technically, the term 'Macedonian' was not meant to be an "ethnic" designation. A 'Macedonian', originally, was meant to designate ALL people from the geographic region of Macedonia regardless of their ethnicity. actually the history taught in communist macedonia is not the same as that taught today. in yugoslav macedonia, we were taught that today's macedonians are descendents of slav tribes that settled macedonia in the 6th century. nowdays ancient macedonia is studied and the official position is we are descendents of slavs and ancient macedonians, which i believe is more accurate. Some Macedonian nationalists go a step further and say were are direct descendents of ancient Macedonians, with little or no Slavic influence. I disagree with this, and this is not the official stance of R.Macedonia. I think if our problems with Greece and Bulgaria were resolved, then other aspects of our history could also be incorporated. I never would of thought that the communists would of had a more accurate picture of history than they do today. This right here is the new trend nowadays among the Skopian diaspora espescially in Australia. Cant say its all their fault, we pretty much pushed them to the far edges of fantasy by just stating to them the obvious, that they are Slavs. In order to equalize this dillemma, they attempt to connect two parallel lines in history. One of Anitquity with the one of Slav incursion into the Balkans. Basically this is it in a nutshell: - Whatever Slavs that had incurred into Greece were assimilated and therefore absorbed into the Hellenic ethnos. -Whatever Indigenous reminants left over in Macedonia were assimlated and therefore absorbed into the Slav ethnos. Do you not understand the difference ? If your ashamed of your heritage, than I suggest you take up Greek language and customs. Nikola is this you ?
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Post by Sokol on Aug 25, 2011 18:51:14 GMT -5
I find it hillarious that when greece is on the edge of economic and social disaster, you still continue this dangerous game.
BTW, the ancient Macedonian roots amongst Slavic Macedonians was first highlighted by Greek Patriachists 19th century Macedonia. They claimed we were Alexanders descendents, but merely spoke a Slavic language due to historical circumstance. I believe this propaganda still continues in Greece, and were are referred to as Slavophone Greeks, instead of Slavophone Macedonians.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 25, 2011 18:56:01 GMT -5
Define what a Turk is? Modern day Turkey is like Mexico? The only Near Eastern marker that Greeks have is J2 and so do other parts of Southern Europe.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 25, 2011 19:09:21 GMT -5
Define what a Turk is? Modern day Turkey is like Mexico? The only Near Eastern marker that Greeks have is J2 and so do other parts of Southern Europe. I'll leave that for the Turks themselves.
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