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Post by kijgol on May 25, 2011 13:54:51 GMT -5
Honestly I don't have much problems with Turks today. Many of them are friendly and are similar to other Balkan nations (well the ones in Western Turkey atleast.)
But I'm not sure where a Turk can get the audacity to criticize others for their looks and to even stoop towards stereotypes is mindblowing. Really? Do you realize how deragatory of the word "Turk" is all over Europe? Even in America the term has a negative connotation. The word "Siptari" is deragotory in the Balkans and even emerging as a deragotory term in Europe but it can't compare with the word Turk. Turks are one of the most hated people in Europe (Albanians aren't that much better but not on your level.) The worst insult towards us Albanians is calling us "Turks." Only the Roma, Middle Easterners and blacks have a worst stereotype than Turks in Europe.
Drugs? Prostitution? Human trafficking? Seriously. Turks are stereotyped for all of the above and more. Turkey has a negative image of backwardness to many Europeans. I'm not saying this line of thinking is correct b/c Turkey is an emerging power but its ironic hearing the above from someone who is Turkish.
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Post by coris on May 25, 2011 15:06:35 GMT -5
yeah desire, hollywood has been filming movies showing russians as prostitutes, drug trafficers, mafia, blood sucking evil vampires etc. etc. but these don't show reality do they? Just like the italians, not all of them are mafia members but some close minded individuals (like you for example) stereotype people this way... pathetic really... I'll try to use your logic here, give good examples claiming a certain group was represented more than albanians in the janissary. Also, saying that x number of turks were grad viziers-in your face albs blah blah- is pretty meaningless. Of course turks can be a majority since they were the ruling class but albanians beat other minorities and nationalities even tho they were very small in number. Look at the the pashas that dominated/played key roles in ottoman politics and warfare in the late 19th century. Muhammed Ali and Ali Pasha sure were fomidable men and they caused quite a bit of trouble against the ottomans.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 16:55:24 GMT -5
Honestly I don't have much problems with Turks today. Many of them are friendly and are similar to other Balkan nations (well the ones in Western Turkey atleast.) But I'm not sure where a Turk can get the audacity to criticize others for their looks and to even stoop towards stereotypes is mindblowing. Really? Do you realize how deragatory of the word "Turk" is all over Europe? Even in America the term has a negative connotation. The word "Siptari" is deragotory in the Balkans and even emerging as a deragotory term in Europe but it can't compare with the word Turk. Turks are one of the most hated people in Europe (Albanians aren't that much better but not on your level.) The worst insult towards us Albanians is calling us "Turks." Only the Roma, Middle Easterners and blacks have a worst stereotype than Turks in Europe. Drugs? Prostitution? Human trafficking? Seriously. Turks are stereotyped for all of the above and more. Turkey has a negative image of backwardness to many Europeans. I'm not saying this line of thinking is correct b/c Turkey is an emerging power but its ironic hearing the above from someone who is Turkish. Thats interesting the word Turk as bad in America? I wonder WHY they have it as a SURNAME and use it in UNIVERSITY BUSINESS LECTURES and in the BUSINESS WORLD. Oh wait a minute..... because it certainly isn't known as a bad word in America. The young Turks especially aren't, in fact Americans are pretty cool with Turks. However, if you're hanging around with racist hillbillies then I cannot comment. Lol in fact recently in Australia a young development scheme was launched named "the young Turks" www.campaignbrief.com/2011/04/ogilvy-says-bring-on-the-young.htmlThe word Arnavut is.... well nothing... to Turks, yea, they were just us footsoldiers/slaves/etc... nothing much about u guys is said in Turkey. As for Albanians, here is a nice example from Italy: By Russell King, Nicola Mai, Out of Albania: from crisis migration to social inclusion in Italy, pp 114 " prejudice towards Albanian immigrants and Albanian people such as stereotyping them as being criminal and degenerate" "Albanophobia in Italy is primarily related to the Albanian immigrants who are stereotypically seen as criminals, drug dealers.[14][15] Italian media provide a lot of space and attention to crimes committed by ethnic Albanians, even those just presumed.[16]" The sources for above quotes: www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a901412909www.wantedinrome.com/articles/complete_articles.php?id_art=262books.google.com/books?id=nNHCqrp1IP4C&pg=PA114&lpg=PA114&dq=Albanophobia+-forum&source=bl&ots=HBD0MZr8Bn&sig=9EKlOC1xHISDWXuddgQNaqbxUXY&hl=en&ei=iOy4SqehFIaF_AasoejbBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#v=onepage&q=Albanophobia%20-forum&f=falselbanophobia is also widespread in some sections of the Western (European and American first and foremost) Left and Right, related to the Kosovo War in 1999 and the issue of the independence of Kosovo. Many journalists and political activists of Leftist persuasion declared Albanians to be "pawns of the Western imperialism", since it was NATO that initiated the 1999 campaign of bombing of Serbia and Montenegro in order to force Serbian forces to withdraw from Kosovo. The leftist accusations against Kosovo Albanians often carry semi-racist tones (reminiscent of the far-right rhetoric): Albanians are declared as backward, primitive and as criminals, especially drug-dealers. The association of Kosovo Albanians with drug-dealing has already become almost commonplace in some leftist milieux. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanophobia#cite_note-Italy-15Is that enough for you? or shall we pretend that Albanians are not known as criminals, the amount of documentaries the BBC showed of the poor Albanian girls kidnapped by the Albanian mafia and how the British helped them escape etc.. is more than enough to say YES Albanians are well known people trafficers... As for Turks reputations, well Turks are certainly known for their Mafia connections, however, definitely not at the level the Albanians are. Nobody ever said Turks were angels We know most of the Heroin comes from Turkey and is sold through the Turkish mafia to the rest of Europe. Who knows maybe they even recruit Albanian footsoldiers as in the Ottoman days LOL
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 16:56:58 GMT -5
yeah desire, hollywood has been filming movies showing russians as prostitutes, drug trafficers, mafia, blood sucking evil vampires etc. etc. but these don't show reality do they? Just like the italians, not all of them are mafia members but some close minded individuals (like you for example) stereotype people this way... pathetic really... I'll try to use your logic here, give good examples claiming a certain group was represented more than albanians in the janissary. Also, saying that x number of turks were grad viziers-in your face albs blah blah- is pretty meaningless. Of course turks can be a majority since they were the ruling class but albanians beat other minorities and nationalities even tho they were very small in number. Look at the the pashas that dominated/played key roles in ottoman politics and warfare in the late 19th century. Muhammed Ali and Ali Pasha sure were fomidable men and they caused quite a bit of trouble against the ottomans. #Coris, just go back to your playgroup or whatever, youare boring me with your opinions. Its time for Facts,,,, if u don't have any, kindly shut your gob
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 17:45:02 GMT -5
By the way... here is a really good way to find out about Albanians, go to interpol and do a search, one for Albanian and one for Turkish see which one is 160 and which is 27, and of that 27 I am sure that they are prolly Arnavuts LMAO
Albanians not criminals|? you were saying?
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Post by kijgol on May 25, 2011 18:34:29 GMT -5
Most Americans are fine with any nationality. Maybe some are weary of religious muslims but thats about it due to 9/11. "Turk" isn't as much of an offensive term in Europe as compared to America due to Turks blending amongst the different ethnicities here, but I have heard it several times used as an offensive term.
The fact that some have the surnname Turk really holds no relevance. Polak is considered an offensive term in America (even though Poles address each other as Polak) and there are individuals with that surnname as well.
Most of the hate in Italy is due to the mass immigration of Albanians during the 90's. Today the situation is much different since immigration is not in such great numbers. Many of the Albanians have assimilated into the culture and there isn't as much distate apart for the far right that dislike any immigrants.
I don't claim Albanians do not have a negative stereotype, I guess I find it humorous that a Turk would resort to stereotypes. Do you realize how Turks are seen in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, etc? Germany for example brought in Turkish officers to deal with the high Turkish crime rate in Germany.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 18:51:39 GMT -5
I am well aware of the Turks situation in the countries you mentioned.
Are you well aware of the way Albanians are percieved throughout the world as people traffickers, violent criminals, drug dealers and arms dealers etc? LOL they even control almost all the prostitution in London.
Turks are known for mainly the Heroin Mafia, and if anything else petty crimes such as fights etc.. some hooliganism maybe,.,.
As for the countries you mentioned in regards to Albanians...:
Belgium According to the Belgian police department specialized for Albanian organized crime, Albanian mafia clans dominate, leading in the illegal trade, including human trafficking and the sale of cocaine and heroin. The Albanian gangs are spread throughout Europe, police says, adding that Albanian brutality and networks of prostitution rings have made them notorious and dominant in human trafficking in the West. They are known to be very violent and stop at no cost. Belgium is regarded as one of the most important countries for human traffickers, being the last port before entry into Great Britain, and considered as the "El Dorado of illegal immigration". It is estimated that up to 100,000 illegal immigrants have been transferred to Belgium by Albanians, while some observers warn that this number represents the illegal immigrants in Brussels alone.[6]
Netherlands: Netherlands Albanians in the Netherlands have recently been involved in many robbing and murder cases. A recent case was that of Durim Gremaj, who was searched by the Dutch police.[7]
"Ethnic Albanians" (as the German police officially calls them), no matter where they come from - Albania, Macedonia or Kosovo - created for a very short time in the last decade of the century, a very powerful criminal network, says Manfred Quedzuweit, director of the Police Department for Fighting the Organized Crime in Hamburg.Here, it could be heard that they are even more dangerous than Cosa Nostra.[18] Albanian "banks" in Germany are a special story.
There are of course other countries, but I wanted to use the ones you chose to portray the Turks.
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Post by kijgol on May 25, 2011 19:16:19 GMT -5
I am well aware of the Turks situation in the countries you mentioned. Are you well aware of the way Albanians are percieved throughout the world as people traffickers, violent criminals, drug dealers and arms dealers etc? LOL they even control almost all the prostitution in London. I am aware of it, I never denied the fact and I admitted from my first post from joining this thread that Albanians do have a negative stereotype. But Turks, on average, are looked in a more negative manner than Albanians mainly due to crimes and thee racial factor (many Europeans think of Turks as Middle Easterners.) I've read bits and pieces of this thread, but you brought up crime with Albanians because?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 19:21:40 GMT -5
Well, I was told that Albanians are perceived as beautiful people, whereas i said, no in general they are perceived as criminals.
Europeans do not think of Turks as middle easterners... thats absurd!! First time i ever heard that LOL thats more of a "balkan" thing. The only people who could possibly think that are the lower class Americans and tbh that doesn't bother me, as they are pretty ignorant about world affairs in general.
Albanians are just regarded as criminals, hmm even if what you said was true (but it isn't) Criminal vs Middle easterner ... I wonder which is more negative LOL
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 19:22:46 GMT -5
Turks are just known as = kebab shops
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 19:24:43 GMT -5
I beg your pardon, I forgot, Turks are also amazing at producing "fakes" - clothes, watches, bags etc and selling them to Europeans who knowingly buy them.
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Post by kijgol on May 25, 2011 19:27:53 GMT -5
Well, I was told that Albanians are perceived as beautiful people, whereas i said, no in general they are perceived as criminals. Europeans do not think of Turks as middle easterners... thats absurd!! First time i ever heard that LOL thats more of a "balkan" thing. The only people who could possibly think that are the lower class Americans and tbh that doesn't bother me, as they are pretty ignorant about world affairs in general. Albanians are just regarded as criminals, hmm even if what you said was true (but it isn't) Criminal vs Middle easterner ... I wonder which is more negative LOL You come off very childish. Albanian women are known to be good looking many people have claimed so, and us guys don't compare tbh. You can do your own research and see what people think of Turks, and many, especially the far right, consider them the same as Middle Easterners. Many of the attacks on Turks are because they are confused for middle easterners. Albanians have a stereotype of being criminals similar to the stereotype to other Eastern Europeans. Turks have the same stereotype as being criminals and then the racial factor. I don't think anyone wins in the game of "my sh*t smells better than your sh*t." But I guess in your little head you feel empowered. Good for you bro.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 25, 2011 19:33:37 GMT -5
Well, I was told that Albanians are perceived as beautiful people, whereas i said, no in general they are perceived as criminals. Europeans do not think of Turks as middle easterners... thats absurd!! First time i ever heard that LOL thats more of a "balkan" thing. The only people who could possibly think that are the lower class Americans and tbh that doesn't bother me, as they are pretty ignorant about world affairs in general. Albanians are just regarded as criminals, hmm even if what you said was true (but it isn't) Criminal vs Middle easterner ... I wonder which is more negative LOL Europeans certainly DO think of Turks as Middle Easterners.You just have to look at the arguments by Europeans saying that Turks are not European,therefore do not deserve to be in the EU. I don't know whether most Europeans have an opinion on Albanians,but I know that in Italy many Italians do.And maybe Greece as well.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 25, 2011 19:40:38 GMT -5
Well I was thinking in terms of Albanian males when it comes to attractiveness. The few Albanian females we see are "average" Especially the "FAR RIGHT" lol lmao... the Far right see's ALL foreigners as bad. Who cares what those fascist bstards think. Im talking about NORMAL people.
Turks don't have a "stereotype" of being criminals, that is a false claim. Turks have a stereotype of having mustaches and running kebab shops.
Albanians are known by the world to be criminals first and foremost. LOL even i witnessed Albanian crime in London, its quite funny... I was stalked by an Albanian guy years ago claiming to be "half German and half something else"
If Turks are attacked for being non european, then the criminality doesn't actually lie on the Turks does it? it lies upon the shoulders of the attackers. anyway..im bored now.
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Post by kijgol on May 25, 2011 19:58:22 GMT -5
Well I was thinking in terms of Albanian males when it comes to attractiveness. The few Albanian females we see are "average" Especially the "FAR RIGHT" lol lmao... the Far right see's ALL foreigners as bad. Who cares what those fascist bstards think. Im talking about NORMAL people. Turks don't have a "stereotype" of being criminals, that is a false claim. Turks have a stereotype of having mustaches and running kebab shops. Albanians are known by the world to be criminals first and foremost. LOL even i witnessed Albanian crime in London, its quite funny... I was stalked by an Albanian guy years ago claiming to be "half German and half something else" If Turks are attacked for being non european, then the criminality doesn't actually lie on the Turks does it? it lies upon the shoulders of the attackers. anyway..im bored now. There's also stereotypes of being welfare, having mutliple kids, refusing to assimilate into the host country, cultural backwardness, etc. Many of these apply towards Albanians and other Balkanites or any immigrants, but since Turks make up larger numbers I guess they are more criticized for it.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 3:41:15 GMT -5
or even.... Nearly 100,000 Turkish entrepreneurs in Germany employ approximately 400,000 people, according to an Independent Industrialists' and Businessmen's Association, or MÜSİAD, representative. MÜSİAD maintains 31 branches in Turkey and accounts for almost 15 percent of Turkey!s GPA, and MÜSİAD representatives from both Germany and Turkey say increased cooperation between the two countries could further encourage Germany's recovery from the global financial crisis
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 4:06:44 GMT -5
The point we had here was not the Turkish stereotype which you have become fixated with, however, I am glad to say Turks are not known to have as bad a stereotype as certain other people in Europe. Giving right wingers as examples is a huge mistake. In addition Turks have been in Europe and around the world for a much longer time than the "Balkan" countries have, especially in the UK and Australia. The newcomers mainly Albanians have faced a LOT of criticism, especially in the UK, Greece, Italy and other similar countries. The BBC Documentary called Albanians - Prostitution is a nice way to portray the image they have produced. The few encounters I have had with the Alb's in the UK has confirmed my belief that they are shady characters. Stereotypes are easy to produce and must definitely be worked on, due to the Albanians coming and then the Romanians who had some big begging network going on, when the Polish arrived everyone was kind of paranoid as to what "badness" they would bring... however, through their perseverance and their activities we can see they are in fact Hard working, honest people. One or two dodgy ones but the rest are generally well liked. The opposite applies for Albs, one or two nice civilised ones whereas the most are quite rough and involved with criminal activities is the stereotype.
This isn't a competition on who is more like in the world, however, whatever you say, Turks are NOT known for crimes, more so they are known for their businesses, mustaches, and at times their counterfeit products.
I live in London, one of the worlds most multicultural cities, I grew up here, i can give a thousand examples of stereotypes, even by people of that ethnicity. It doesn't bother me to talk about it, yet it does seem to irk you when we mention the negative aspects of Albanians, and you try to counter justify by talking about Turks... rather than try to see where it all went wrong and what can be done to fix it.
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Post by coris on May 26, 2011 6:32:54 GMT -5
No the thing is that you are being a stupid racist who can only see one side of the coin. I am pretty sure that the "real turks" not the ones you think of tho (redheads with green eyes for example) are regarded to be as bad as any balkan nation. You only think of turks as the western portion but the rest isn't the ones that you have been dreaming of desire... Go there and try to live among them for 5 years.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 8:03:08 GMT -5
Coris, I already told you to stop acting like a little kid when you address me. Next time you try to insult me I shall just delete your post and ignore you. Do you understand?
The subject is not who the Balkan nations regards as bad, it is about general stereotypes within Europe. Do you happen to know where I lived in Turkey or where I have been? No, you just talk air.
Ignorant little kids irritate me.
From the way you talk I can guarantee you have never left Turkey. All your life you lived there had this dream that being an "Arnavut" made you special. Well, yes, for you and your family it does. Stay in Turkey, the truth of the matter is if you go to any other countries in the world apart from Turkey or Albania, you may start weeping at the image your fellow countrymen have produced.
Even on this forum where there are so many Albanians most of their behavior is over emotional and racist, hate filled etc I can say there are only a very few normal nice Albanian people who I would actually like to have a conversation with, the rest, well they can go into the bin.
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Post by odel on May 26, 2011 11:15:40 GMT -5
"You seem to have nothing but good things to say about the Serbs but nothing positive concerning Albanians, that's why I'm saying that you're a Serbophile." LOL, I wouldn't say she is a Serbophile, she knows she has been screwed over and over in this thread and has now resorted to insulting. Serbophiles tend to be people that have been screwed over by Albanians anyway ;D Tbh, it seems as if the Internet isn't the only place she's been screwed over by the Albanians in. I'm not even trying to argue against the fact that there were more Turkish Grand Viziers than anyone else, I was talking about non-Turkish people in high positions, which I think I made pretty obvious My claim at first was that the most of them were Albanians with Bosnians and Greeks behind the Albanians, I even mentioned that there were a lot more Croats than there were Serbs so why are you mentioning that? And as you see there are a lot more Albanians than any other ethnicity, the only ones coming close are the Bosnians and the Greeks, while the Serbs you mentioned as having a more important role are even beaten by the Croats who weren't as integrated in the empire, they're not even that much better than the Italians I unlike you know when a source is reliable or not, you seem to have problems with that though. Wikipedia is quite a good source if it's not used to explain something deeply. Thanks, it's all part of this website: www.elsie.de/You trying to ridicule this source which does nothing but to provide some documents as unreliable is quite pathetic, the fact that the website takes mainly Albanian matters doesn't mean it's unreliable or biased, the author of the website is a Canadian and doesn't really have any reason to lie for the Albanian cause. That's what one of my sources say, also "regular" means "fine" or speaks of something that is symmetrical or evenly places, as when you for example say "you have regular teeth" meaning that your teeth are all finely placed, "regular" as in "normal" is only used when comparing to something else. She was saying that our features were fine and symmetrical, which is what "regular" means when used in this context She also describes our features as intelligent, fierce and cruel, there's actually nothing bad she says about us, actually it'd make anyone blush, I currently am I'll give you some more concerning our people, this piece quotes several Serbs and their description of the Albanians: "Yet certain of these authors were ambivalent about the character of the Albanians. Even those who generally painted them in the blackest of colours, when they came into direct contact with them on their travels also acknowledged their many positive sides, which at times even raised them above Serbs. Thus the travel writer Ivan Ivanić described the Albanians of Kaçanik as handsome, tall men known for their bravery, whose love songs were very emotive, because their strong southern blood made them passionate lovers, and reported that guests were fully protected in their homes and their women untouchable (Ivanić, 1903). Hadži-Vasiljević praised their diligence; he stated that their fields and vineyards were of the best quality; that they were the best at animal husbandry and the best craftsmen; that when they had enough to live they were peaceful and good neighbours, and even trusted friends; that they were healthy and tough; that they did not say much, but liked to show off; that they were proud and conceited (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1909). He stressed their moderation, in that they drank little other than coffee; that they ate better than Serbs and cared more than the latter for cleanliness and health; that they were handsome, though not so much their women; and that the pretty women you did find among them derived from an Albanian-Serb mingling, and from beautiful Serb girls having converted to Islam. He said they were hospitable, quiet and polite, sober and clever, but also crafty and jealous (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1913)." www.bosnia.org.uk/news/news_body.cfm?newsid=2386Cunning, fierceness, cruelty and physical prowess are all traits that good soldiers need very much, they're not saying that they were great warriors directly though, there's quotes concerning that too though and it's a common stereotype even today. Oh, and Coris also posted something concerning that, you just ignore everything that doesn't fit your ideas though. When you making statements like "they sound like a bunch of toerags, who are mean and murderous" you're being insulting btw. Instead of using just simple quotes to prove our "warriorness" we could take action. For example we have the independence of Greece in which Albanians/Arvanites were a very important part of Lol, are you retarded? There's a difference between quoting the man on his description of the Albanians appearance which he had seen and quoting him on what the Albanian language is or isn't. Evliya Celebi wasn't a linguist, he couldn't speak Albanian and what he said is wrong anyways, the only thing we have in common with Arabians linguistically are loan words like "Mashallah". Many of your sentences aren't intelligible such as: It's not that they aren't simple, they are simple, too simple to be intelligible. Also, it's funny that you're implying that it's I who don't understand your complex English, my English skills are actually better than yours it seems According to statistics, there are about 31 244 people from Serbia & Montenegro (it includes Kosova as a part of Serbia) and about 2000 from Albania that were born outside of the UK, this is from 2001. Lets say that these are all Albanians even though they aren't, we'll do this for the sake of arguement, if what you said is true that means that the average Albanian family has born about 10 kids in only 11 years! Do you have any statistic that actually supports what you said? I bet there's some illegal ones, but not nearly as many as you're implying. As for your comment, are you saying that all these 300 000 Albanians are doing nothing but selling hotdogs and working with prostitution? That's probably a minority of them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_KingdomThat's just you, the stereotype in Norway and in Scandinavia generally is a tall, good looking people. That's also how we come off to people that have actually been in Albanian inhabited lands, such as the guy that went over to Kosova and mentioned that the women were modelesque and that teh men were serious studs, this includes others. I don't really care for your opinion as the opinions of others are much more trustworthy. There's no numbers concerning the Janissaries you joke, that's why it'll be mostly theories, however as I have proved, the Albanians were the most numerous as Grand Viziers, who were mostly originally Janissaries and/or something similar, I took Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic as an example of that earlier which you thought was an attempt by me to claim him as Albanian. There was also the arguement that Balkan boys becoming Janissaries would then get high positions and help their own people such as Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic who reinstated the Patriarchate of Peje. The thing is, Albanians started converting to Islam en masse in the 1600's and that's also the time in which Muslims were also taken in into the Devshirme system. The fact that the Devshirme system changed to include Muslims after the mass conversion is very telling, along with other facts this speaks for a large importance of the Albanians in the empire. According to the Turks I know the Albanians seem to have a reputation and it's quite different from how you paint it. And lol no, we weren't just footsoldiers and I doubt there were many Albanian slaves (except for the Janissaries who were "slaves"), it goes against Albanian mentality to be a slave. The Albanians that came to Italy were initially people that had lived through the regime of Enver Hoxha, meaning that they were some of the poorest and most broken people that the world could offer, you have to take things in context. The situation is different today and the Albanians are perhaps the most integrated recent ethnic group in Italy today, actually, we have an Albanian living in Italy here, Eri. He could probably inform you regarding the situation of the Albanians in Italy This is of little importance really. The rightists who thinks of us like that do so because "Hurr durr Albanians Muslim terrists, Serbs Christian defenders of Europe". The leftists see us as "pawns of Western imperialism" which your quote also notes that along with the Nato bullied poor Serbia. So they're obviously not very reliable as they obviously have a predisposed bias against us. What's really funny though is that while these leftists think of us as pawns of Western imperialism, the rightists think of us as pawns of Eastern imperialism, specifically Turkish and Islamic imperialism. There's nothing interesting here though, one side dislikes us because of the war in Kosova in addition to Muslim faith, the other because it was the evil West that helped during that war.
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