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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 13:16:08 GMT -5
It's so funny that you guys think you are "That" special. In fact no I have 2 Serbian family members actually It has nothing to do with Albanians. However, I have been stalked by a creepy Albanian and hit on multiple times, but screwed over? No, never sorry As I already said there were, in the whole 600 years, 40 grand viziers of Albanian ethnicity. If you are going to only talk abour Grand viziers go ahead... but if you are going to talk about the ethnicities in important positions, than you are certainly ignorant to ignore that Greeks and Jews also Armenians were in much higher places and for longer. No, i don't see, you know why.. because you were not the most populous, you had a few more Grand Viziers, you were not of any other importance. Ok, you keep quoting mickypedia, your trusted resource. Whilst I quote, historical works, books, journalists, etc who are all very unreliable compared to the might Wikipedia LMAO Regular means - NORMAL - Nothing special - ORDINARY. It doesn't mean "fine" LOOKS WISE LOL Symetrical is that what you are going to choose from all the different explanations for regular LOL intelligent features lmao... oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0697930#m_en_gb0697930Just in case you want some direction as to what regular could mean. Your own quote: that they were handsome, though not so much their women; and that the pretty women you did find among them derived from an Albanian-Serb mingling, and from beautiful Serb girls having converted to Islam. He said they were hospitable, quiet and polite, sober and clever, but also crafty and jealous (Hadži-Vasiljević, 1913)."errr... now this person is saying you are ugly, BUT the girls aren't, and that the only pretty one were the ones mixed with Serbs LOL. anyywaaaay. Like I said, they aren't known for their "good looks" in the UK. Ok you are great warriors, which shows us why you have such a big strong country. Ok you go and find a source with a man called Evliya Celebi, how can I trust ANYTHING he says about Albanians? If he is wrong about linguistics and history, how is he right about other things, in order to prove your point you should find another source to back it up. Not just decide what i am to believe. The sentence You choose do you which you will agree with Is supposed to be: You choose, do you, which you will agree with? I just wrote in the early hours of the morning, so I didn't bother punctuating. Didn't know it would be so hard on your brain. Here is a lovely Mickypedia reliable source for you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_diaspora on the Albanians in the UK. 300,000 it states clearly. Im not saying all of them are selling hotdogs and prostitutes, I'm saying All the hotdog and prostitute sellers are Albanians. Do you see the difference? or no..too complicated? Albanians in Albania might be goodlooking, who knows, maybe all the unattractive ones left the country I won't even argue that, I just think the ones in the Uk aren't known for their looks. *sigh* No, it was in the 1700's that they accepted Muslims, I don't know why the Albanians converted a hundred years earlier LOL. In a muslim empire? oh yes, its very odd, it can't possibly be because all the subjects were converting to Islam and there were less Christians to choose from, the fact that it was a good job with great benefits, such as education. That many muslim families along with christians wanted to put their kids into it... Nooo,, it has to be because the Albanians were converting lmao!! Albanians around the world are known to be criminals, the sources I gave you are from well respected sources. I even advised you to go and look at INTERPOL to see just how many Albanians are on the most wanted list... but as usual... excuses, excuses, excuses.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 15:02:11 GMT -5
As for what Turks of Turkey think about Albanians, I just read an article in Turkish in regards to all the backstabbing and treachery that the Albanians did. How they sold out the Ottomans many times and thought changing religion they would get in the goodbooks of the Ottomans. LOL... nice
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Post by hellboy87 on May 26, 2011 15:49:42 GMT -5
As I already said there were, in the whole 600 years, 40 grand viziers of Albanian ethnicity. If you are going to only talk abour Grand viziers go ahead... but if you are going to talk about the ethnicities in important positions, than you are certainly ignorant to ignore that Greeks and Jews also Armenians were in much higher places and for longer. Of course there were Greeks and Armenians in highers positions and so on.The Turks met them first in Anatolia! Not to mention that I would think most of the "Turks" who were in high positions were mostly of Greco-Armeno Anatolian ancestry anyway. Hell,even one of the chiefs from the clans of Turkish principalities established after the fall of the Seljuks in Anatolia even married an Armenian. In addition,the ethnic group that had the highest number of Sultanas(mothers of Ottoman Sultans) were Greek. No, i don't see, you know why.. because you were not the most populous, you had a few more Grand Viziers, you were not of any other importance. Many ethnic groups in the Ottoman Empire had members in important positions in the Empire. But since so many Grand Viziers,who were formerly Jannisaries, were Albanians and combined with the fact that they were not the most populous,it definitely shows that Albanians were at least among the favoured groups in the Ottoman Empire.I've also read about the Ottomans,favouring,at one time,Bulgarians and Bosnians,but I don't know how long that period was. Ok, you keep quoting mickypedia, your trusted resource. Whilst I quote, historical works, books, journalists, etc who are all very unreliable compared to the might Wikipedia LMAO What's wrong with quoting Wikipedia? Wikipedia often lists facts from reliable sources with the links shown below.If it doesn't,you'll see it.It's waaay better than referencing the Turkish History School Textbook which was produced by the military of Turkey! In a muslim empire? oh yes, its very odd, it can't possibly be because all the subjects were converting to Islam and there were less Christians to choose from, the fact that it was a good job with great benefits, such as education. That many muslim families along with christians wanted to put their kids into it... Nooo,, it has to be because the Albanians were converting lmao!! The point is that MANY Albanians were being chosen.There were more Arab speaking Muslims in the Ottoman Empire but very few of them held high positions in the military and administration. Albanians around the world are known to be criminals, the sources I gave you are from well respected sources. I even advised you to go and look at INTERPOL to see just how many Albanians are on the most wanted list... but as usual... excuses, excuses, excuses. Sure,and? I don't think it's AROUND THE WORLD.More like in a few European countries. Albania and Albanians are in a worser state than the people of Turkey. But then again,it's nothing to do with the Ataturkism that you love and defend so much.It began with the very Islamic Turgut Ozal and brought even further with the veeery Islamic Recep Erdogan.I say this because you keep insulting these religious Turks and defending the Kemalism that you believe is how Turkey should be and that have kept Turkey poor and in the dark for decades.
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Post by coris on May 26, 2011 16:36:22 GMT -5
Coris, I already told you to stop acting like a little kid when you address me. Next time you try to insult me I shall just delete your post and ignore you. Do you understand? The subject is not who the Balkan nations regards as bad, it is about general stereotypes within Europe. Do you happen to know where I lived in Turkey or where I have been? No, you just talk air. Ignorant little kids irritate me. From the way you talk I can guarantee you have never left Turkey. All your life you lived there had this dream that being an "Arnavut" made you special. Well, yes, for you and your family it does. Stay in Turkey, the truth of the matter is if you go to any other countries in the world apart from Turkey or Albania, you may start weeping at the image your fellow countrymen have produced. Even on this forum where there are so many Albanians most of their behavior is over emotional and racist, hate filled etc I can say there are only a very few normal nice Albanian people who I would actually like to have a conversation with, the rest, well they can go into the bin. LMAO desire. I can guarantee you that I have travelled outside turkey much more than you so pls stop making up things A grown up like you should stop this behaviour. Whatever, if you cannot argue someone without resorting to threatening or rasist remarks (pls don't say there are no racist remarks, after all, all of your posts include something like: albanians are ugly, criminals, evil, poor etc.) i feel sorry for you. As for the albanians on this board, I haven't met anyone them but from what I have seen, they aren't racist at all, on the contrary ones like odel are quite mature and nice.
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Post by plisbardhi on May 26, 2011 17:53:30 GMT -5
Guys, there's not too much point in arguing with Desire. She's a woman. Women are subjective in general and she's shown she is no exception. She can't be objective even when she's presented with facts and sources. I think the reason she's here in the first place is because she has an unfulfilled void somewhere else in her life. This stuff is basic.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 18:21:18 GMT -5
Lol would you like a spade so you can shovel the sh.it back ? It doesn't belong here.
Coris, You think you have been outside of Turkey more than I have? even though you stated you are an Arnavut that lives in Turkey and I have told you that I grew up in London? You really tried to say you have been out of Turkey more than me...omg just go and drink your milk and go to bed! It is not being racist towards Albanians its discussing stereotypes. You don't even know what racism is...
Plisbardhi, thanks for your awesome input, yea, I have a void and I fill it by using the Illyria forums !! thats why people use Forums to fill voids.. lmao at the rubbish I hear here.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 18:23:19 GMT -5
I have used this board for a very long time, and seen MUCH more Albanians post than you have had hot dinners. You have been here for 5 minutes and try to talk about how well you know the posters here.. please just stop Coris,, ur really an irritating little boy, go and find a gf... live your life, don't waste your time here.
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Post by plisbardhi on May 26, 2011 19:01:44 GMT -5
You're welcome. That is actually why people use forums, to fill voids. Its a simple formula really. Mature, intelligent posters like myself and others use this forum to stimulate our intellects on certain points that may interest us that are not common and rarely open for discussion in today's western society. These members have been largely driven away by the excessive stupidity here ex. Donnie, Toskaliku, Shpata, Bible Riot, Kastorianos. Others come here to fill different voids, like to express their hatred, stemming from whatever reason, which they wouldn't dare express live in front of members of the other ethnic group ex.Novus Deacaon and too many others. Others come here seeking acceptance or to express their bizarre ideas ex. Novi Pazar, Pyrros. For whatever reason, this forum can be an outlet. You don't seem to fit in too well into these groups above. I think you're here for many different reasons the biggest of which is that you are not satisfied with your current man. This you have made clear yourself in your posts about marriage.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 26, 2011 19:40:17 GMT -5
Shpata and Kasto were 2 of the most ignorant racist people EVER. The reason I started using this forum is because I wanted to learn about Turkish history and there was a lot of it about on the old forum, it spurred an interest, however, facing all the racism and attacks, I then used it for entertainment. I didn't use the forum for a couple of years since I was really busy with work, but right now I am in London with a health condition and insomnia. So I visit have a debate, its more for venting, than anything else. No, its nothing to do with my relationship or anything else. It just helps the time pass by
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Post by odel on May 27, 2011 10:30:29 GMT -5
Again, the dictionary doesn't tell you anything that contradicts me, regular can be said to refer to something symmetrical/in order such as for example "You have a regular set of teeth" meaning that your teeth are finely put up. This is what the dictionary says for example "(of a structure or arrangement) arranged in or constituting a symmetrical or harmonious pattern:" Ok, thanks. Is it embarassing to have lived in London a large part of your life just to be put in place by an Albanian living in Norway on the English language? I have a better command of the language it seems No, lrn2readingcomprehension. This guy is saying that we were handsome (the men), however the women weren't as good looking and that the good looking women were mixed with Serbs, which is something quite ignorant to say as he didn't know anything concerning that, it would be typical of Serbs to claim something like that though Other people known for being great warriors don't have any large country either, such as the Pashtuns of Afghanistan for example, the Berbers have been repeatedly shat on by the Arabs and still are under Arabization, the Kurds, and we also have the only "Serbs" worthy enough of a reputation, the Montenegrins. They all have things in common as they're warrior peoples, and except for the Berbers they're all part of the mountain warrior cultures, known for being tough. The Kurds sadly enough don't have a country and the Berbers don't have a country, but are part of "Arab" countries that are only Arabized to begin with and not truly Arab. The Montenegrins, Albanians and the Pashtuns do have their countries, albeit small, weak and insigificant ones. By contrast we have people such as the British, the French, the Iberians, the Russians and the list goes. They don't have any warrior culture or anything close to it, however they are big and strong today and were even larger and stronger before. That's because of other factors. He wasn't a linguist or historian, he was completely ignorant concerning the Albanians in that aspect and what he said was completely wrong even. However, he had seen the Albanians at first hand on his journey and he described them how he saw them, that's completely different. Is it that hard for you to understand? Oh, that's much better! You're not claiming that all Albanians are hotdog sellers and pimps, you're claiming all the hotdog sellers and pimps are all Albanian! According to what you wrote here, there are 300 000 Albanians in the Uk and they're hotdog sellers and pimps at the west end of London. It was in the late 17th century*. The conversion didn't start just as they went from the 16th to the 17th century, it was somewhere in the middle of the 17th century, as this happened they also came to include Muslims and after that period the Albanians and Bosnians were the preffered ones. Most of the subjects weren't converting to Islam, most of the Balkans was still Christian. Actually in this case, they were Christian because the Ottomans let them be, otherwise they wouldn't have let the Patriarchates be instated which was the main reason as to why the Greeks, Armenians, Serbs and Bulgarians were Christian. The Serbs had their Patriarchate in Kosova, while the Greeks had it right in the capital of the empire, Istanbul. The reason they included Muslims was due to the Ottomans loosing much of the manpower, it doesn't contradict what I said, it supports what I said actually. As the Albanians started converting en masse, they lost their favourites and then the inclusion of Muslims came as a reaction to that. Also, if they did it because all their subjects were converting, then why were the Albanians and the Bosnians preferrred? Christians still were picked along with Muslims, however the Albanians and the Bosnians were preferred over the mostly Christian Greeks, Serbs and etc and also over the Muslim Greeks, Serbs and etc. It's because we were easier to preferr, not because a loss of Christians which still doesn't explain why Muslim Albanians and Bosnians were preferred over Muslim Serbs, Greeks and etc. They're not known as such among most everyday normal people, although there is indeed a stereotype as such which is both based on by reality but also because of propaganda and biased views. The problem isn't that your sources aren't trustworthy btw, it's how you're using them and the context of the sources Your logic is flawed and here's why: I searched for wanted Albanians and wanted Mexicans. There were more than a double amount of Albanians than Mexicans that were wanted. Does that really represent reality? No, as Mexican drug cartels (and Mexican crime generally, Mexican gangbangers for example) are much larger, stronger, dangerous, criminal and more widely spread while the Albanian mafia isn't really that strong, large or anything like that. The Mexican drugcartels have basically started/are starting a civil war in Mexico and large amounts of people have died by their hands, and there's a lot more of crime done because of them and etc. By using your logic however, Albanians are doing more than these Mexicans which we they aren't by a very looooong shot. The Interpol lists shows criminals who are on the run and haven't been found, it doesn't tell you anything concerning the actual numbers of criminals from each country. Basically that means that either the Interpol are much better at catching Mexicans than they are at catching Albanians/that Albanians are better at hiding from the Interpol and therefore there is a higher proportion of Albanians on the list or that the Interpol has a list of wanted criminals that isn't even close to being a complete one. How come everyone that has a problem with Albanians use Interpol as a reference as to how many Albanian criminals there are? I've seen Patrinos use it and some others and they did so when they didn't have any arguement.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 27, 2011 11:23:00 GMT -5
OK, you had symmetrical faces apparently. LOL well done.,, the best looking country in the whole world etc LOL
Do you now? woooh would you like a blue peter badge? I ain't even going to bother to argue... since you truly believe you are the best looking, greatest warriors, have the best English etc etc etc...
So why did you use the quote, this is the second time you quote someone, and then turn around and say "well this bit is correct, however this bit isn't true" as I said before "pick n mix" get a job at woolworths LOL
The Turks are known to be great Warriors and they have a fabulous country, also the Greeks do too. However to be a warrior is not enough, you need to be good soldiers, commanders, generals, you need to have real skills, not come down like king kong of the mountains. This is where you fail with your weak little country. All the fighting and uprisings you did, for what? Look at Albania and pat yourselves on the back, great warriors indeed.
The Brits, French, etc have excellent armies, they are civilised, to have your own country, you must learn to live like civilised people, you mustn't expect to only live as warriors. Plus the Scots were also Great warriors and they have their own country...
I did not choose him, I did not quote him, as far as I know, he could have made the whole thing up.
Exactly
I don't know how many hot dog sellers there are, but I do know the ones that exist are all Albanian. I assume the other Albs are cooking the hotdogs at home? As for pimps, well, I assume a part of them are selling them, while the rest are abducting etc. I'm sure a small minority are trying to live like civilised people, perhaps educating themselves and trying to be good people.
So as you said the Albanians started converting in the 1600's yet the Devsirme started in the 1700's you converted 100 years early. Nowhere does it state they preferred Albs and Bosnians. This is just your imagination.
The Balkans were not the only part of the Empire, I think you need to see a map of the Empire and see just how many Muslims were in it. The Albs were not the majority.
This is utter nonsense. Completely made up by you. Oh yes, I forgot, you are the most important people in the world and the Ottomans had to change their rules to include you into the Jannisaries, they couldn't dream of using any other ethnicities.
PROVE IT
Normal people know Albanians as pimps and criminals in London.
Yet, there were double Albanians wanted! could this be because the Mexicans are more wanted by the FBI than interpol? That in Europe especially Albanians are the most wanted? No,no it can't be since Albanians are the most civilised and non criminal nation in the world, Interpol must be wrong, Albanians must be right LOL
Its not to have an argument, its to show anyone else reading this thread just how wanted Albanians are by the international Police community.
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Post by mystery on May 27, 2011 12:04:31 GMT -5
lol when did Turks become civilized??
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Post by odel on May 27, 2011 14:06:01 GMT -5
Guys, there's not too much point in arguing with Desire. She's a woman. Women are subjective in general and she's shown she is no exception. She can't be objective even when she's presented with facts and sources. I think the reason she's here in the first place is because she has an unfulfilled void somewhere else in her life. This stuff is basic. Agreed. It's not only that she's a woman though and it's not about her being subjective, if she actually was objective she wouldn't appear less stupid and/or less familiar with logic.
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Post by Hellenas on May 27, 2011 18:11:27 GMT -5
You do realize that Anatolian Greeks are largely Hellenized Anatolians,right? It is the second time you say something like that, do you realize that is wrong? The Asian Minor Greeks were the descendants of ancient Greeks from mainland Greece not of "Hellenized Anatolians", they always were Greeks in blood, in language, in manners and in religion. Antiquity
The eastern coast of the Aegean was inhabited by Greeks as early as the 9th century BC. Aeolian, Ionian and Dorian colonies were established from the Dardanelles to Caria, with the most important being Miletus, Phocaea, Ephesus and Smyrna. The prominence of the Ionians gave to the region the name Ionia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_refugeesEverybody knows that.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 27, 2011 19:24:45 GMT -5
So according to Odel, you can actually choose a quote and then from that source you can choose which part is true and which part is fake according to your own personal beliefs.
You can use Wikipedia as a source it is the best source to use
Albanians are NOT KNOWN for their criminal activities around the world.
Albanians ARE KNOWN to be handsome around the world
Albanians were the most important ethnicity in the Ottoman Empire
Albanians are the best warriors
Albanians are ....etc etc etc
And then I am called stupid and have no logic?
the above behavior is clearly narcissistic and this personality disorder needs to be addressed.
Albanians are nothing special in the world, this is why they go about claiming other nations leaders, politicians etc as being Albanian, this is why they come onto forums trying to tell everyone just how amazing they are... because in reality.. nobody actually gives two shakes of a stick at Albanians.
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Post by emer on May 27, 2011 19:44:40 GMT -5
Guys, there's not too much point in arguing with Desire. She's a woman. Women are subjective in general and she's shown she is no exception. She can't be objective even when she's presented with facts and sources. I think the reason she's here in the first place is because she has an unfulfilled void somewhere else in her life. This stuff is basic. Everyone is subjective. So you think she's here to fill a sexual void, through an internet forum? Of all the other places she can do that, in the internet (porn sites/chat rooms etc) or outside of it. Some of my compatriots are worse than Turks (not that I'm implying Turks are bad) or Serbs or Greeks etc...it's always the ignorant ones like you who give these respective ethnicities bad names.
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Post by emer on May 27, 2011 19:54:24 GMT -5
The history of the Ottoman Empire is interesting, I don't really follow much about modern Turkey but in this age of the internet and globalization you can't really be racist towards anyone. I was watching a commercial one day I think one of those "the more you know" commercials and they're looking to make the word retard pc (politically correct) because apparently it offends real retards. They compared it to saying nigger, fag etc but words don't hurt people people hurt people. If you get rid of all the hurtful words you won't be left with many words or will be forced to make new words like in 1984, anyway control is a bad thing. Everyone should express himself and although I think DesireYearning is annoying and bitchy without cause at times she's entitled to her opinion.
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Post by plisbardhi on May 27, 2011 20:22:34 GMT -5
She herself has already expressed her dissatisfaction with her marriage, I'm only connecting the dots. Get your facts straight. The fact that your response to my post is more reactionary than Desire's says a lot too.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 27, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
Plisbardhi, I wasn't aware you were so interested in my marriage, but since you are, just to assure you. My marriage is *touch wood* going amazingly well actually I may have expressed dissatisfaction previously and now I am expressing satisfaction. So if you stop parroting your sh.ite about "filling a void because of marriage issues" I would be very pleased. In addition I used these forums before I was married too,, and I was even more bitchy then so in actuality my husband has managed to tame me a bit. Also as Emer said... if I feel any kind of frustration or void filling needs.. it certainly won't be on the internet That is absolutely correct! at times I can be annoying and bitchy, I totally accept that. However that doesn't equal to stupid or not having logic. The problem here is that for some reason Odel has made it his life ambition to prove to me how wonderful Albanians are in the world, he should apply for a job at the Albanian tourism ministry or public relations or something. Plisbardhi doesn't even have the objectivity to see the warped logic and immature posts made by Odel and comes here to "support" his fellow countryman. Its all a load of palaver...
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Post by plisbardhi on May 27, 2011 21:14:18 GMT -5
Typical people in Prishtina..
Decan..
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