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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 28, 2011 22:10:43 GMT -5
LOL if 5000 chefs do not know Albanian lamb, then I doubt its worth knowing. However, to fix this issue, you would make sure that you use a well represented sample of chefs and include chefs from each region. Hence world travelers, as the ones on the blog you posted, would have their say. What you don't understand or comprehend is that in the eyes of the world travelers, those Indians and Mexicans are in fact very attractive, regardless of whether you agree or not. The company that conducted the poll is very well respected in the market research industry. Hence it is not an online poll, it is a market research project. Some company stats: 5000 polls for 500 clients since 2008 NatWest to Virgin Atlantic, Co-Op to Kelloggs All key sectors: software to sofas, finance to fashion 80% repeat business rate www.onepoll.com/clients these are their clients. That fact that she said: 'The likes of Jessica Alba, Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt all help America's image as a hot bed of good looking people. ''But with a population of more than 300 million, they do have an unfair advantage."300 million people, of course the number of good looking people are going to be higher. Nevermind, you can try and disregard the poll if it makes u feel better. Here are a few more sites, you can see there is a pattern in regards to good looking nations: opentravel.com/blogs/best-looking-women-in-the-world/www.manolith.com/2010/01/06/top-15-countries-with-the-hottest-women/www.expatify.com/advice/top-10-countries-with-the-hottest-women.htmlas u can see from the comments of the sites, people have differing opinions, yet there does seem to be a trend
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Post by odel on May 29, 2011 10:10:04 GMT -5
The fact that Albanian lamb isn't known might be because Albania is a little country that doesn't have the marketing to make any impression on outside people, neither is there many people that go to Albania in the first place so they're not going to have any opinion on Albania and their lamb or whatever it may be. Those that actually have traveled to Albania/Kosova and that have written about it in a blog or something similar almost always makes the good looks of the people there one of the main subjects in their posts as we saw in the blog that I posted. Lol, they weren't world travelers, there's no mention of that, they're just Brits that were part of the survey. OnePoll is a survey-led marketing research company specialising in online and mobile polling. www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2010/10/08/16044-new-md-for-research-firm-onepoll/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnePollThe fact that it's respected and whatnot doesn't change the fact that it's an online poll, peoples opinions on the Internet are just as valid as in real life. And the thing is few people travel to Albania/Kosova, a lot of people don't even know who we are and etc, why should they have an opinion on something that they don't know anything of/about?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 10:49:46 GMT -5
As I said you would have a representative number of Chefs from THAT REGION.
However, there are many Albanians OUTSIDE of the country and they would make sure that people are aware of their products. For example, the Turks in the UK all have their own food stores, as do Greeks, Italians, and well, I love Polish bread, much better than Turkish bread. They have only been here for a few years, Albanians have been here much longer.. yet nobody knows of any Albanian food products. Only of the crimes they commit.
"5,000 globe-trotting Britons." do you even know what globe trotting means? LOL
LOL, almost all market research polls are conducted over the telephone or online. The days of door to door are over and they are done in a controlled way, making sure they take a representative sample. Don't try and talk sh.it about the poll, like its some kind of poll made on albanianhistory.com or something.. lol, just cos Albs didn't features, suddenly its the polls fault. Polls are an imperative part of market research campaigns.
Im not surprised few people travel, after all the bad things we see and hear about Albanians. Croatia is a very popular place now for Brits to travel to and there aren't even that many Croats in the UK. Croatian women also are said to be beautiful in one of the other polls I posted in the link before.
Therefore, rather than try and tell me, as a fact Albs are known to be handsome around the world, just get it right and say... Albs are known to be criminals around the world.
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Post by gjakova on May 29, 2011 11:49:50 GMT -5
you can't understand anything odel writes bcs you have a pic of albanians and nobody can't change that.you're blinded by your hate.i think trying to have a conversation with you is like trying to talk to a monkey.you just say all the time albanians are criminals but you're forgotting that turks are also heavily involved in crime.and are you really trying to judge the look of albanians when you turks look like shit lol.albanians are just newcomers in britain while you turks are there from the sixties.and the albs in britain are very good and poliet people not criminals like you portray them.i bet you don't know a single albanian in uk.i think you're just saying the bs you get from those serbian relatives of yours. have a nice day further 'beautiful turkish woman'
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Post by coris on May 29, 2011 11:52:37 GMT -5
Desire you keep talking about UK only and here in turkey as you may know there are many albanian food stores and albanian food such as arnavut ciğeri and arnavut böreği. Albanians have been here a lot longer than UK so pls stop your "here in UK they are nothing but criminals" thing... UK isn't a deciding factor you know...
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Post by odel on May 29, 2011 14:03:40 GMT -5
But there weren't any in this case Lol, Greeks, Italians, Poles and Turks have been in the UK for a much longer time than the Albanians, most of the Albanians in the UK have been there as of the late 90's, Italians and Greeks especially have been immigrating for a much longer time however. Admittedly, Albanian cuisine isn't that famous nor is it very rich, when Albanians make restaurants it's rarely Albanian cuisine they promote it's mostly Italian which you can see in America where there has been a lot of sucess with that actually. Actually concerning restaurants I'd say we're at the moment a bit more sucessful than most, look up René Rexhepi/Redzepi. Lol, you do understand that it's not meant to signify that these Brits are world travellers, but that Brits are in general "globe-trotting"? It's a general statement made about the Brits. Appearantly I know what globe-trotting means, it seems like I always have to clear up the sentences for you You were the one claiming that it's not an online poll you idiot, which it is, they asked for opinions and made a poll on the Internet. Also, that survey is hardly any scientific or anything to go by, the thing is that you'll take anything that supports any of your twisted views deadly serious, even though it's not supposed to be taken deadly serious. Going by that survey is as reasonable as to make a poll here on Illyria make about 5000 persons answer it and then form any opinion based on that. The reason few people travel there is because of the lack of marketing from the Albanian side, but as a matter of fact Albania is quickly becoming a very attractive tourist spot: www.lonelyplanet.com/albania/travel-tips-and-articles/76164 Croatia not so much, people are starting to be turned off by the increasingly more expensive prices over there, even the wealthy Norwegians. Croatians are good looking though, I won't contest that as they are. DY, honestly, Albs aren't known as criminals around the world, I've actually never heard that anywhere but on the Internet. In Norway the only negative part of the Albanian stereotype is that we can be hot-headed and stubborn, otherwise we're mostly perceived as good looking and also as rather large, which even a Turk friend of mine told me The stubborn part is particularly something that seems to be wide spread, even this old Austrian woman told this, it's looked upon in as something postive.
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Post by coris on May 29, 2011 14:24:09 GMT -5
yeah this seems to be very widespead in turkey as well we have albanian stubbornness (arnavut inadı) and something called albanians vien (arnavut damarı) which is said to be exclusive to albanians and when they get angry they should be avoided at all costs . Damn turks even have a saying "arnavut kuşağını yere süre süre gezermiş, biri bassın kavga da çıkarsın"- which means that an albanian drags his belt on the floor so that someone steps on it and the alb can start up a fight but in here, we are regarded as very good people and not criminals. It seem that our hot-headedness is even percieved as good
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 15:32:15 GMT -5
you can't understand anything odel writes bcs you have a pic of albanians and nobody can't change that.you're blinded by your hate.i think trying to have a conversation with you is like trying to talk to a monkey.you just say all the time albanians are criminals but you're forgotting that turks are also heavily involved in crime.and are you really trying to judge the look of albanians when you turks look like s**t lol.albanians are just newcomers in britain while you turks are there from the sixties.and the albs in britain are very good and poliet people not criminals like you portray them.i bet you don't know a single albanian in uk.i think you're just saying the bs you get from those serbian relatives of yours. have a nice day further 'beautiful turkish woman' Thanks for your uninformed, ignorant opinion. Albanians have been here for almost 20 years. Nobody denied anything about Turks being involved in Criminal activities, however, that is not what they are known for. I don't hate anybody. You are the one that is ignorant, completely in denial about anything negative about Albanians... on ur bike...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 15:43:43 GMT -5
5000 globe trotting Britains means, that they are 5000 world traveling Britons, if you do not understand the, difference between "just Briton" and "Globe trotting Briton" then its your problem. It's not just an Online Poll, its part of a Market research project, done by a very well respected company. I doubt you know much about market research, so I won't push you... You can continue denying the reliability of a fine research project. I doubt you even understand the different parts of the poll and such, you really just think its like a 1 question poll on a forum LOL
HOW DO U KNOW that there weren't anybody from that region? thats pure speculation.
As for Albanians not being known as criminals... I gave you various links from your fave wikipedia to Interpol, I can give 100's of media articles talking about the Albanian criminality. Just keep denying.
Coris, you have comprehension problems, even your own example of their belts dragging on the floor just so they can start a fight is a good example of how uncivilised the behaviour can be.
Most of the Albs in Turkey are culturally Turkified... thats why most ppl don't have a problem with them.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 16:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by odel on May 29, 2011 17:10:29 GMT -5
The only requirement for voting in one of their polls is to have a membership, which is cost free, actually it seems like you can actually make money for voting there. They haven't made 5000 Brits vote with the requirement that they all have travelled a lot, they've only asked for opinions and 5000 Brits voted in that specific poll, the article then makes a general statement that the opinion of the globe-trotting Brits have given their opinions.
Oh, I don't doubt that it's very well respected, I just doubt that they're going to get any good answer on which ethnicity is the hottest in the world. I really doubt there are a lot of questions in a poll such as that, basically, what questions can you really give concerning looks other than "Which country do you think has the best looking people?" Besides, the fact that they've probably included all the worlds countries to choose from makes it basically impossible to ask more than one question that is basically "Which country has the best looking people?"
It is speculation, however, most likely there are going to be very few from that region seeing as neither Albania or Kosova have been popular as tourist destinations. As you can see the most of those countries in the top where tourist hot-spots.
Albanian criminality is mostly based on Organized Crime meaning that a few do much but not that there's anything wide spread enough to say that Albanians are criminals. There are some criminals but most Albanians aren't criminals as you want to paint it.
Besides, I don't think you gave me anything from Interpol, you just told me to search for wanteds in Interpol which I gave you a perfectly logical explanation as to why using Interpol's database for wanteds is wrong and stupid, which you just brushed off because you thought that if FBI has people in their list Interpol won't, that Interpol doesn't take into matters outside Europe (which they do) and because you thought FBI would take into Mexican matters, lol.
But sure, give me something on Albanian crime please.
DY, Turks aren't exactly known for good behaviour either, being Turkified wouldn't really save much face.
It doesn't say anything interesting really, nothing that I haven't heard already.
An American-Serb I believe. The fact that he links KLA with terrorism and Radical Islamism doesn't make him seem very credible or unbiased. DY the problem is that you think that if something is written down it has to be true, you're neither objective and you're not able to criticize sources and to be critic. You basically take everything you read literally as seen before where you couldn't understand that there's a difference between quoting Evliya Celebi on the appearance of the Albanians and using him to explain the Albanian language, there's other examples like that.
Anyways, these sources state that there's Albanian Organized Crime, that's not new to me, neither was it important in the discussion, you were saying that Albanians as a people are prone to crime and moreso than most people.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 17:17:00 GMT -5
Oh ok, we have progress, thats a good thing, you admit that Albanians are known for Organised Crime.
That was my overall point, that around the world, thats what people relate to Albanians.
finally... we have progress. round of applause.
The sample use by the poll is a different subject, I already can understand that you don't have any experience, nor expertise in this area, you are very speculative and also pessimistic. Therefore I cannot explain the whole way it works.
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Post by emer on May 29, 2011 17:48:02 GMT -5
It's only recently that Albanians are known for Organized Crime at least in Law&Order episodes before that it was other East Europeans (Bulgarians, Russians etc) and more famously Italians. Once again poles are not very reliable and to vote best looking as a country is stupid people are not carbon copies of each other unless it's Japan then you can say that because they mostly look alike. Also I don't think DY knows her head from her ass the way but it's her opinion and I respect it.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 18:23:37 GMT -5
But I do know Emer means "he sucks" in Turkish.. so that makes me smile.
BTW Albs have been known for organised crime since the 1990's and there is speculation that, that is how the KLA was financed. However I don't know whether its true.
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Post by emer on May 29, 2011 19:46:08 GMT -5
I don't know why you're so caught up on the name it just means name in Albanian. The first time I joined this forum you used this same exact attack. We were known for organized crime in the early 90's mostly in Italy, not in the US or elsewhere. Anyway I don't want to argue with you because you have nothing to lose, Turks are still seen worse than Albanians almost everywhere in the world and I think that's what makes you really angry.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 20:11:58 GMT -5
I couldn't give a Toss as to how Turks are seen. Turks, Greeks, Albs etc all the same s.hit. Its better to be a good human being, Nationality is just a learned state of mind. Ethnicity is also NOTHING SPECIAL. Stereotypes exist because of stupid people that ruin it for the rest of their nation and get worse because their fellow countrymen turn a blind eye to it, such as Odel did. I won't count Coris as he is just an ignorant kid. Rather than try to make a positive impact and promote their country, they try to deny the reality of the criminal image that most Albanians in Europe and America have.
BTW I just find your username really funny.. Im sorry... it just is LOL
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Post by emer on May 29, 2011 20:50:58 GMT -5
ok I changed my name is this better? I think odel was promoting the country by saying Albanians are attractive, I mean no one wants to promote negative things about himself. I agree with what you said about being the same s.hit, I think nationality is necessary but at the same time I hate it (catch-22)
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 29, 2011 20:59:18 GMT -5
The name is much better.
It isn't about promoting negative things, its about being aware of and accepting negative things.
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Post by mystery on May 29, 2011 22:12:08 GMT -5
I don't think using polls is wrong. As we can see certain trends, for example, if we are going to learn which lamb is the juiciest we ask chefs, 5000 chefs will surely come up with the best lamb to use. The same goes for best looking, we are either going to ask modelling scouts, or world travelers, not a bunch of kids on a forum. The problem here is the definition of "what is attractive" is very varied from person to person. Which is why a statement such as: "Albanians are the most stunning ethnicity" or "Albanians are hotter than Italians" just fails. If you express it as an opinion, thats fine, but don't try to present it as a fact. Listen dude you can't use an english poll to judge the attractiveness of a ethnic group.. First of all I doubt any of those editors even encountered any Albanians in their life, second they use famous actors and celebrities for their pool.. Albania doesn't have much of those besides Dushku, Belushi and hell even the beautiful Lorik Cana.. Notice how they used Bradd Pitt and Jessica Simpson to rank the US when truth is that the US is for from #1.. Did you also realize that most of those countries selected are western or well known countries? Do you think it will be profitable for the editor to have tiny Lativa on that list? I can't believe I have to explain the faults of using a poll.. Are you dumb?
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Post by mystery on May 29, 2011 22:25:08 GMT -5
Oh ok, we have progress, thats a good thing, you admit that Albanians are known for Organised Crime. That was my overall point, that around the world, thats what people relate to Albanians. finally... we have progress. round of applause. The sample use by the poll is a different subject, I already can understand that you don't have any experience, nor expertise in this area, you are very speculative and also pessimistic. Therefore I cannot explain the whole way it works. LOL A turk should not be talking about morals.. Forcing their daughter to marry another Turk, disallowing them to even leave the house and forcing them to learn arabic... And this is in New York. I also like how you took one random source about criminal albanians. Face it Turks are inbred Mongolians with a tint of Balkonoids my red haired friend.
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