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Post by Sokol on Aug 8, 2011 20:23:53 GMT -5
During the Ottoman era, Slavic communities in the Florina region were governed by a more traditional lifestyle than that of today. The common social structure of the time was the zadruga, a large, extended, communal family that lived under one roof. Unlike the Greeks of today, they followed the old Julian Calendar, and their most important holiday was their slava, celebrated on their family's saint's day (Karakasidou, Anastasia N., "Women of the Family, Women of the Nation: National Enculturation among Slav-speakers in Northwest Greece." In Ourselves and Others: The Development of a Greek Macedonian Cultural Identity Since 1912, Berg, Oxford, New York, 1997.)From old traveler's descriptions, we can imagine what those celebrations might have been like. For example, this "Turkish Slavonian" festival at a monastery in August, 1844: A green glade, that ran up to the foot of the hill, was covered with the preparations for the approaching festivities. Wood was splitting, fires lighting, fifty or sixty sheep were spitted, pyramids of bread... In the evening we went out, and the countless fires, lighting up the lofty oaks, had a most pleasing effect. The sheep were by this time cut up and lying in fragments, around which the supper parties were seated cross-legged. Other peasants danced slowly, in a circle, to the drone of the somniferous bagpipe. (Clark, Edson L., Turkey, Peter Fenelon Collier, New York, 1878)After decades of assimilation, the ethnic Macedonians have slowly lost the Slava tradition in Greece. Some still celebrate in private, and in the diaspora it is more openly celebrated. The pictures above show Macedonians celebrating Ilinden (St. Elijah's day) in Aegean Macedonia, as their is now a concerted effort to revive Macedonian traditions.
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Post by terroreign on Aug 9, 2011 18:56:13 GMT -5
Only Serbs celebrate Slava!
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Post by Sokol on Aug 9, 2011 19:04:25 GMT -5
Are you suggesting these are Serbs above? If so, why has Sebia forgotten them. Why doesn't Serbia confront Greece about their rights??
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Post by terroreign on Aug 9, 2011 19:17:15 GMT -5
1. Serbia isn't the representative of Serbs
2. The native Serbs of Mac & Northern Greece have underwent intense political manipulation in the past 200 years so they unwittingly call themselves Bulgarians, Macedonians or Greeks today...
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Post by Sokol on Aug 9, 2011 19:32:23 GMT -5
1. Serbia isn't the representative of Serbs 2. The native Serbs of Mac & Northern Greece have underwent intense political manipulation in the past 200 years so they unwittingly call themselves Bulgarians, Macedonians or Greeks today... ethnic Macedonians in Serbia have also undergone assimilation. Many call themselves Serbs today.
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Post by derk on Aug 10, 2011 15:22:51 GMT -5
you mean the ethnic greeks left there?
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Post by Sokol on Aug 10, 2011 18:44:04 GMT -5
you mean the ethnic greeks left there? macedonians and greeks live together in greek macedonia. greece however chooses to ignore the reality of the macedonian minority.
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Post by ivo on Aug 10, 2011 21:03:29 GMT -5
Greece as a country does not recognize minorities. I believe they claim that their country is about 96% homogeneous, and all those 96% according to them are ethnic Greeks the same as the Ancient Greeks.
This whole stance is inaccurate and fueled only by politics. They've been working hard on assimilating their minorities to the fullest extent possible using all means possible for the past 100 years or so.
I've met people from Aegean Macedonia, some have identified as Macedonians, some as Bulgarians, and some as Greeks. Though, their strategy seems to work as I've also met people from Aegean Macedonia who identify as "Greek Slavs".
A while back I met an old man, he was about 70 I'd estimate, he asked me for a cigarette on the street. I was speaking Bulgarian with a friend of mine, and it turned out that the old man was from Aegean Macedonia. He was an interesting individual, and had only one eye.. the other had been taken out. Anyway, we went on with some small talk, exchanged/compared words between our respective dialects but I didn't feel right asking him what had happened to his eye. This was in Toronto btw.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 10, 2011 22:29:01 GMT -5
I've met people from Aegean Macedonia, some have identified as Macedonians, some as Bulgarians, and some as Greeks. Though, their strategy seems to work as I've also met people from Aegean Macedonia who identify as "Greek Slavs".
yes greek strategy has been effective and the slavic element remains divided as you say. i would say however that in greece, the greater number of ethnic macedonians identify as either ethnic macedonians or greek macedonians (slavophone greeks). those identifying as bulgarians are smaller in number.
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Post by ulf on Aug 11, 2011 5:39:45 GMT -5
One thing is for sure: If you celebrate Slava someone from your family is(or at least used to be) Serb
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Post by Sokol on Aug 17, 2011 18:19:19 GMT -5
macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/18905/46/Greek Authorities Try to Create Tensions among Macedonians Wednesday, 17 August 2011 August 15th, ethnic Macedonians were celebrating the 'Assumption of Mary' a religious holiday celebrated for decades in most of Aegean Macedonia. Greek authorities employed tactics already seen in Ovcarani 20 years ago when it volunteered to organize a Macedonian celebration in Nered, an ethnic Macedonian village populated exlusively by Macedonians 10km away from Lerin. The Greek authorities and police structures allowed bands (for the first time) to play and sing Macedonian songs. The goal of the Greek authorities was to create tensions among ethnic Macedonians and to ruin the celebration planned weeks ago at the local stadium, organized by Nered's Cultural Society. This way Nered had two Macedonian celebrations, one of course sponsored by the authorities at the city square. The two events caused tensions among Macedonians, with the ones going to the Stadium calling the others 'traitors' for going to the celebration organized by Greek authorities (free food?). "The celebration organized by the police and the authorities was at the square. They were singing Macedonian songs, however they were also forced to request Greek songs and Vlach songs. The idea was to portray this 'multi-ethnic' character of the area, even though only Macedonians live here", says a Macedonian who visited both celebrations. This has happened before. Years ago, Greek authorities paid pro-Greek Macedonians in Ovcarani to form a parallel cultural society to the one already in existence. There as well were parallel Macedonian celebrations, as the one organized in Nered. At the time pro Greek Macedonians were hired and placed in high positions at the Electric company. Greek authorities tasked these Macedonians to recruit the 'other' Macedonians by offering them employment. The same scenario is currently employed in Nered. Greece is using the good ol tactics of 'Divide and Conquer'. Perhaps Athens is trying to create their new Karamanlis, whose mother was ethnic Macedonian and father of Turkish heritage.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 21, 2011 3:26:34 GMT -5
Stop your Fyromski Propaganda !! You are a Liar The only what you want is with your Bands and Fyromski Media to make Propaganda in Greece Macedonia. In Greece we have Not a Fyromski minority.If a Macedonian in Greece speak the same Idiom Language who you speak in Fyromski it does Not make him Fyromanian.You Know that this Idiom Language what you speak in Fyrom was create under Ottoman rule in Macedonia for the Greeks SlavsTurks,Jews to understand each other because the Turks and Slavs did not speak Greek.After the Balkan War in Greece broke out the Civil War and many Greek Communists fled to Yugoslavia.Tito the Croat play his Game and renamed Vardarska Banovina to SJRM.Tito wanted to create tension and claims against Greek Macedonia,only reason is to become a Sea Way to the Aegean Sea.
Auhentic Macedonian proverb I'am Macedonian I'am Greek !!
Dig the earth and you will find ancient. if this ancient treasure are not greek i'am not greek too
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Post by leandros nikon on Aug 21, 2011 11:21:07 GMT -5
Slava???This means that ancient Macedonians were Slavs?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Aug 21, 2011 15:59:00 GMT -5
leandre how is this possible in 7th century, wild hordes of slavs settled the first time in the haimos we make them orthodox christian and helping and create an cyrillic alphabet for them.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 21, 2011 17:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by uz on Aug 21, 2011 18:10:58 GMT -5
Cool article^
Eiberg's team then tested 155 blue-eyed people from Scandinavia, Turkey, Jordan and India, looking to see whether they, too, had similar DNA sequences on that gene. To their amazement, they found that each individual had identical DNA sequences in that region of that gene, an indication that the original mutation happened recently enough that it hasn't had time to change.
this is huge.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 21, 2011 18:34:36 GMT -5
? Was that sarcastic?
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Post by uz on Aug 21, 2011 19:10:40 GMT -5
umm no actually. I find eye color to be very significant in genetics, yet it tends to be ignored.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 21, 2011 19:20:52 GMT -5
Slava???This means that ancient Macedonians were Slavs? Slava means a celebration in the Macedonian language, and other Slavic langauges. Some websites of the Macedonian minority of Greece. www.florina.org/novazora.gr/
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Post by Sokol on Aug 21, 2011 19:36:17 GMT -5
macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/18925/46/Greek Priest Calls for Attack on Macedonian Radio Station Friday, 19 August 2011 Greek Priest Anthimos as a "true Christian" has asked for 40-50 Greeks to board buses, go to Lerin and break and burn the Macedonian radio station because, according to him the Macedonians would air propaganda. Anthimos' statement was issued after the announcement of Pande Ashlakov, the head of Ovcarani (Lerin) who said that "Vinozito" had received a license for a Macedonian language radio station that would be broadcasting program from Lerin to Solun. Ashlakov at the Ilinden celebration said the radio will start working at the end of the year and as part of its program will have live shows and news. Anthimos was seething, claiming the damned people will probably name their radio "Macedonian radio". - How is this possible? Are we the Greeks allowed to have a radio station anywhere in the Balkans? asked Anthimos. The Greek priest shouldn't be worried, for example the Macedonian State Radio (paid for by taxpayers money) has broadcasted programs in every Balkan language, including Greek for more than a decade. Greek media reported the Solun priest was asking for 40-50 volunteers to board buses head to Lerin and attack the radio station. With losing his "What Would Jesus Do" bracelet, priest Anthimos seems to have lost his way.
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