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Post by Sokol on Aug 25, 2011 22:18:53 GMT -5
Chento was imprisoned by Royalist Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Communist Yugoslavia for his pro-Macedonian activities. He is regarded as a legend and true hero of today's Macedonians. Metodija Andonov-Cento (August 17, 1902 – July 24, 1957) Macedonian statesman, the first president of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the National Liberation of Macedonia and of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia after the Second World War. At the 1938 Yugoslav elections, he was elected deputy but not a Member of Parliament because of a manipulation with the electoral system. In 1939, he was imprisoned at Velika Kikinda for co-organizing the Ilinden Demonstrations in Prilep. The following year, he imposed the use of the Macedonian language in school lectures and was therefore imprisoned at Bajina Bašta and sentenced to death by the government of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia for advocating the use of a language other than Serbo-Croatian. On April 15, 1941, he was presented to a firing squad, but was released just prior to being shot. During the Bulgarian occupation of Vardar Macedonia, Cento received an invitation to collaborate with the Bulgarian occupational authorities but refused, favoring the achievement of liberating Macedonia. Cento's liquor store was used as a front for the communist resistance in Macedonia, which prompted Bulgarian authorities to imprison him. In 1944, he was elected as President of Anti-Fascist Assembly of the National Liberation of Macedonia. Cento's goal was to create a fully-independent United Macedonian state or as a constituent republic within the new communist SFR Yugoslavia. The latter became a reality with the formation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia, however, Cento as its first president wanted a greater independence for the republic from the federal Yugoslav authorities. He clashed with Svetozar Vukmanovic-Tempo, Josip Broz Tito’s envoy to Macedonia and Lazar Koliševski, the leader of the ruling Communist Party of Macedonia. After disagreement with the policy of new Yugoslavia and after being repressed by the authorities, Cento resigned. In 1946, he went back to Prilep, but was arrested yet again and sentenced to twelve years in prison for having worked to achieve a "completely independent Macedonia". Cento died home on July 24, 1957, after sickness from torture in prison. www.maticanaiselenici.com/en/?page=read_news&id=1725www.president.gov.mk/en/public-relations/speeches/306-2010-10-22-11-48-17.html
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Post by ioan on Aug 26, 2011 0:01:25 GMT -5
I agree. From this person on you can speak of "Macedonians" in the present sense. Before that the Macedonian heroes were Bulgarians.
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Post by Sokol on Aug 26, 2011 0:29:22 GMT -5
I agree. From this person on you can speak of "Macedonians" in the present sense. Before that the Macedonian heroes were Bulgarians. Interesting, why would the Russians then be listing Macedonians as a separate nation in the 18th century; www.gate.net/~mango/18thC_Russian_Docs.htmAlso, some maps showing Macedonians from before the formation of S.R Macedonia; Volker und Sprachenkarte der B kan - Halbinsel 1924, Leipzig SPRACHENKARTE (language map), which means that not only the Macedonian population, but also the Macedonian language is mapped
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Post by ivo on Aug 26, 2011 9:09:12 GMT -5
I've already told you on multiple occasions, READ. Anything you're uncertain of any questions you may have, they can all be answered simply by you reading as many sources on the matter as possible.
Russia has played both sides, the Bulgarian and the Serbian. After San Stefano Bulgaria was dismembered, Russia's favoritism shifted toward Serbia.
The shift of favoritism became a reality after the Serbo-Bulgarian War. That was a war initiated by Serbia, Serbia attacked without having justification for their actions.. however, Bulgaria came out as the victor nonetheless. That entitled Bulgaria to reparations against Serbia, and Bulgaria was going to march against Serbia. However, at this point Russia stepped in.. Russia warned Bulgaria that if it were to continue on with an onslaught against Serbia, Russia would declare war on Bulgaria.
From there on out, I've read that on several occasions Russia has re-printed books and maps of the Balkans that would basically appeal to Serbia's politics, and later, to Tito's politics. So if you look into the matter further, you'll find maps printed and published by the same authors depicting Macedonia's populations as Bulgarian and later as "Macedonian".
If we were to address all sources, we would be able to locate a hand-full of neutral sources that either depict the population of Macedonia as Serbs or as 'Slav-Macedonians'. However, these are very few and usually disputed by the large chunk of other neutral sources that have focused on the study of Macedonia and the Macedonian Question.
Bottom line is this, about 90-95% of sources concur with the Bulgarian ethnic identity of Macedonia.. the remaining 5% or so of sources are split between a Serbian, a Greek, or an independent Slav-Macedonian identity. There are have even been claims that the population of Macedonia were Vlachs put forth by Romania in the early days.
As for that source on the Russian royal domain, I believe that is referring to the populations residing in the regions/provinces of Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, and Wallachia.
Again, like I told you, you don't need to answer your own questions. You don't need to ask people on here to answer your questions. Hell, you don't even need to think. All you gotta do is READ, focus on neutral sources, you'll find the answers to all your questions.
All is recorded..
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Post by ivo on Aug 26, 2011 9:15:21 GMT -5
And if you want to know what the IMRO movement was actually about, and what a true unaltered Macedonian patriot was.. read about Todor Alexandrov, or any of those of his time, or before him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todor_alexandrov
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 5:01:58 GMT -5
first i guess you gotta come up with a formal method of verification of a "source" as "neutral" .... Oooppsss i just burned some of the few braincells in aziz tataric head ;D
BTW, idiotic tatar, Russia's official documents classified Bulgarian as a dialect of Serbian much earlier (1828) than the treaty of San Stefano (1878). ;D
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Post by ivo on Aug 30, 2011 8:13:48 GMT -5
According to some, all South Slavs are Serbs. But then again, there're are a lot of misinformed people and various retards who really know nothing on the subject.
As for the Russian source you're mentioning my dear Gyrross malakos, your translation is waaay off.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 8:32:57 GMT -5
As for the Russian source you're mentioning my dear Gyrross malakos, your translation is waaay off. idiotic tatar, you should have noticed that the original text of the russian book was a sequence of pairs of each greek page and their equivalent russian page, how can i have missed the translation when the ... "translation" was in the book itself? Stop being an idiot.
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Post by ivo on Aug 30, 2011 9:17:08 GMT -5
Find the thread you posted it, read it. I replied to it. I had a friend of mine who's Russian translate it. And his translation was different from how you presented it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 9:24:16 GMT -5
man, i just *offered* to do a translation from greek to english .... it cant get any more str8 forward than that. Also i offered the Russian text and anyone could verify easily that the two xlations agree.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 9:30:35 GMT -5
this the translation you offered : Serbian includes in itself, the following languages, Bosnian, Bulgarian, and Montenegrian and is 100% identical with mine. Serbian language included Bulgarian, Bosnian and Montenegrin. pretty str8 aziz, no?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 12:03:06 GMT -5
lol, the "honorable" aziz with the brave heart and the bright mind is still speechless? lmao!!! what a surprise !!!
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Post by ivo on Aug 30, 2011 13:05:16 GMT -5
Read what I posted in the thread itself.
Lol. You got me bro, you really got me.. seriously, give yourself a pat on the back. Well done.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 14:19:47 GMT -5
^^^ Aziz got into what i could describe as "a state of a random blend of denial, hypocrisy and endless recursion"... i don't know if he enters that state automatically after each heavy rape, or if this happens randomly as well.... Aziz is so broken.... He needs to be fixed into a proper tool.
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Post by ivo on Aug 30, 2011 14:28:10 GMT -5
What's done is done. You yourself are a well established retard, and it seems this is something that nearly all members on this forum can easily see.
So shut your yup dipshit.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 30, 2011 23:24:41 GMT -5
lol, whatever ;D another irrelevant remark of aziz, after another defeat...
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Post by Sokol on Aug 31, 2011 1:38:48 GMT -5
And if you want to know what the IMRO movement was actually about, and what a true unaltered Macedonian patriot was.. read about Todor Alexandrov, or any of those of his time, or before him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todor_alexandrovCareful there, it's not so clear-cut. If you know VMRO history, then you know the complexity of the organisation; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Manifesto
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Post by ivo on Aug 31, 2011 8:22:09 GMT -5
^ The history of the IMRO is complex. However, its Bulgarian identity in its foundation and in the first few generations of Macedonian patriots is undisputed.
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Post by ioan on Aug 31, 2011 8:41:54 GMT -5
Indeed. Its only after WW2 when some local Bulgarians decided to stick with the winner (Yugoslavia). From then on slowly the Macedonian nation emerged. Before that the Macedonian idea was bred in Serbia and did not have many followers.
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Post by ivo on Aug 31, 2011 8:50:35 GMT -5
Exactly! There were some, pre-WWII, who supported those separatist notions.. but they were few. It's only after WWII that the Macedonian ethnic identity gained momentum.
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