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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 19:28:31 GMT -5
Am I the only Bosniak on this forum, or are there others?
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Post by darkness on Sept 3, 2011 20:04:01 GMT -5
Am I the only Bosniak on this forum, or are there others? i believed you mentioned that your forefathers were from northern albania,so if i may ask where are you from(i guess sandzak)and do you still consider yourself albanian half or less consider the amount of assimilation your family went thru,is all your family mixed or are there still who speak albanian and consider themself albanian.if you consider my questions a bit too private i understand and i'll respec that.
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Post by darkness on Sept 3, 2011 20:06:02 GMT -5
forget my question,i know now that you're a serb oke
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:06:46 GMT -5
forget my question,i know now that you're a serb oke My ancestry on my fathers side is Serbian form Northern Albania.
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Post by uz on Sept 3, 2011 20:09:14 GMT -5
What would be concidered a true Bosniak? Besides just being muslim.
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:12:19 GMT -5
What would be concidered a true Bosniak? Besides just being muslim. I don't know. Identity is a complicated issue in the Balkans. I guess it's just calling yourself Bosniak or having ancestors calling themselves Bosniak. But usually religion is a big factor, I mean, how many Bosniaks have you heard say their religion is Orthodox, or Catholic. Or a Serb with Catholic or Muslim religion. There are only rare cases of that. Although, you don't need to be religious to be Serb, Croat or Bosniak. I myself am an Atheist.
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Post by uz on Sept 3, 2011 20:19:01 GMT -5
Well for example, my baba on my mothers side was from Bosnia- sarajevo. She has long ancestry from Bosnia, but just b/c she was orthodox all the official "terms" or "identity" that people accepted, was that she was Serb.
If you ask me, the Bosniak-nationality doesn't really exist. It's a term stricly meant for geographic purposes, of where one lives.
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:24:21 GMT -5
If you ask me, the Bosniak-nationality doesn't really exist. It's a term stricly meant for geographic purposes, of where one lives. Originally, yes. But modern times has turned it into an ethnicity itself. Much like how Orthodox and Catholic Bosnians began to identify themselves by religion in the 17th and 18th centuries. Ethnicities are always popping up in the Balkans because people don't want to be associated with others and to create national pride (like the Montenegrin ethnicity).
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Post by uz on Sept 3, 2011 20:26:52 GMT -5
It's not so much the people, I have come to learn this through experience.
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:27:55 GMT -5
It's not so much the people, I have come to learn this through experience. Elaborate...
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Post by uz on Sept 3, 2011 20:33:51 GMT -5
Well on the surface many of us like to be distinguishable in one way or another, but when you get down to the root... we're all the same, just trying to survive in this crazy part of Europe.
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:35:27 GMT -5
Well on the surface many of us like to be distinguishable in one way or another, but when you get down to the root... we're all the same, just trying to survive in this crazy part of Europe. Yes, that's true. I wonder how the Balkans would be if we were all Catholic, all Muslim or all Orthodox. Would there be such things as Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks? Or would we be all known as Jugosloveni?
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Post by uz on Sept 3, 2011 20:39:11 GMT -5
I bring this up all the time.
The only thing that makes us different, is religion and language. Our histories are all inter-connected, none of us are indigenous to anything but ourselves.
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Post by balkanac on Sept 3, 2011 20:47:11 GMT -5
I bring this up all the time. The only thing that makes us different, is religion and language. Our histories are all inter-connected, none of us are indigenous to anything but ourselves. Hopefully, overtime, people will become more secular and not bring religion into everything.
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Post by plisbardhi on Sept 3, 2011 22:09:44 GMT -5
Sorry cuz, northern Albania never had Serbs. Look at an ethnic map and see that northern ALB is bordered by territories inhabited by other ethnic Albanians, not Serbs. Your Alb ancestors arrived in a Slavic speaking part of MNE where the only Christian faith was Orthodoxy. They lost no time before turning 'Turk' so it wouldn't have been significant for anybody to note that they were specifically Catholic sense it didn't really matter for their situation. The lack of local Catholics also facilitated this loss of memory unless somebody lied out of self-hate.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 4, 2011 6:35:01 GMT -5
Well on the surface many of us like to be distinguishable in one way or another, but when you get down to the root... we're all the same, just trying to survive in this crazy part of Europe. Yes, that's true. I wonder how the Balkans would be if we were all Catholic, all Muslim or all Orthodox. Would there be such things as Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks? Or would we be all known as Jugosloveni? we'd all just be serbs, what we were before the vatican and communists warped our people's brains. not true...i was just in montenegro and visited an old village bordering albania (along the kom mountains), and there wasn't any albanians in this region whatsoever.
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Post by odel on Sept 4, 2011 10:46:27 GMT -5
He's right. Even though the village might not be Albanian today it most likely was before. Plav & Guci are examples of that; they were noted as Albanian before but now both have a majority "Muslim-Montenegrins", "Bosniaks" and "Muslims by ethnicity". It's a very unfortunate thing.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 4, 2011 16:55:55 GMT -5
He's right. Even though the village might not be Albanian today it most likely was before. Plav & Guci are examples of that; they were noted as Albanian before but now both have a majority "Muslim-Montenegrins", "Bosniaks" and "Muslims by ethnicity". It's a very unfortunate thing. you've never even been in montenegro. and i was talking about the border areas around the komovi mountains which are only vasojevic serbs as far as the eye can see...plav & gusinje are along the prokletije mountains, and yes, albanians are a minority even in gusinje now, at least through the year until some of them come back from new york for the summer.
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Post by odel on Sept 5, 2011 10:16:58 GMT -5
He's right. Even though the village might not be Albanian today it most likely was before. Plav & Guci are examples of that; they were noted as Albanian before but now both have a majority "Muslim-Montenegrins", "Bosniaks" and "Muslims by ethnicity". It's a very unfortunate thing. you've never even been in montenegro. and i was talking about the border areas around the komovi mountains which are only vasojevic serbs as far as the eye can see...plav & gusinje are along the prokletije mountains, and yes, albanians are a minority even in gusinje now, at least through the year until some of them come back from new york for the summer. You're wrong, I've been to Montenegro, and even if I hadn't it wouldn't have refuted anything I said. Albanians extended further than they do today and there never was any real presence of anything non-Albanian in Northern-Albania except for a Vlach one.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 5, 2011 11:30:15 GMT -5
you've never even been in montenegro. and i was talking about the border areas around the komovi mountains which are only vasojevic serbs as far as the eye can see...plav & gusinje are along the prokletije mountains, and yes, albanians are a minority even in gusinje now, at least through the year until some of them come back from new york for the summer. You're wrong, I've been to Montenegro, and even if I hadn't it wouldn't have refuted anything I said. Albanians extended further than they do today and there never was any real presence of anything non-Albanian in Northern-Albania except for a Vlach one. I was just in the andrijevica-plav region, so that's how i know. you're referring to some "history" but where are the documents proving this? Krasnici & Hoti descend from a Serb clan (Vasojevici) and the Klimenti are of Serb origin (Hercegovina). Cherry on top that Skadar was a Serb capital for over half a millenia. So looks like albanians have little presence today, and had little in history too.
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