Nikola
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Post by Nikola on Sept 12, 2011 1:33:33 GMT -5
Hi all. For those who don't know, I live in Australia. I immigrated here 22 years ago.
Anyway, I went to another wedding on the weekend and it struck me that I haven't been to a Macedonian only wedding in a long time. During the 90's, every wedding was Macedonian's only marrying Macedonian's. Then, ten years ago, things changed for the exact opposite. These days it's a very rare occurrence and the most common people Macedonian's seem to marry are Italians. There is also the odd Spaniard, Anglo Australian, etc, but the majority now seem to be Italians. At least here in Melbourne. Sydney may be different.
What's the trend for Macedonian's in other western countries? Also, what do other fellow Balkan diaspora marry? I don't think I have been to a single wedding where a Macedonian married someone else from the Balkans. I think it used to happen with the older generation. I have aunties and uncles who are Serbs and Bosnians, but never happens any more.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 12, 2011 7:26:28 GMT -5
How do Albanians integrate in Belgium? Are you seen as unwanted immigrants (like Poles in England) or do you guy's get along with the Belgians?
Because here in Australia, we Macedonian's (and all Balkan people plus Italians, Spaniards, etc) were initially seen as third world trash. Which I think is why we get along so well with the Italians. If you treat people as though they are the same, they will group together and feel the same. But it's a lot better now. Since Australia started getting more immigrants from the middle east and Africa, we are no longer such an issue.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 12, 2011 7:33:02 GMT -5
Btw, I will comment on Italians. I used to think they were much shorter than us Macedonian's, (and they were a generation ago) but they are quite tall now. The current generation in their 20's have caught up and are of similar height to us.
Also, while the average Italian is definitely darker than the average Macedonian, they seem to also have some very fair types among them. I would say that 20% could easily pass as Germanic, from their facial features to their hair and eye colour. We Macedonian's also have fair types but probably in smaller numbers and our blondes look eastern European light, not Germanic.
Anyway, it was an interesting observation.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 12, 2011 7:57:32 GMT -5
^^^ same thing here in Greece, from dark short parents, you have blonde, blue eyed babies, fokking strange. when i was a kid, my town (about 60,000 ppl) almost had no blondes at all (only 1-2 persons were truly blond ) and only three (3) persons above 200cm.
now things changed a lot. new generation is taller and blonder.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 12, 2011 9:47:13 GMT -5
Your not wrong, Southern Europeans here in OZ feel more like kin than to Anglo-Saxon Aussies. I heard once on T.V that Australians have the most intermarriges in the world.
A big trend l'm seeing here, especially with Anglo-Saxon Australians is their desire for Asian women.
Your probably from Thomastown/Lalor region of Melbourne. You do know that this is the biggest concentration of Fyromians in Australia + there is a very large number of Italians living their too, so its not something to be scratching your head about. Anglo-Saxons in this area are an absolute minority, probbably about 5% of the population.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 12, 2011 10:26:28 GMT -5
I'm not from Thomastown, lol. I'm close to the city. But where are you located that there are so few Anglo's?
I see the Anglo's with Asian's a lot too. But what can we expect? Melbourne feels like a majority Asian city these days. Especially on a weekend. When I walk around the city on a weekend, I feel like I'm in China. I'd say that 70% of the people I see are Asians.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 12, 2011 11:45:43 GMT -5
The way I see it is that sooner or later every diaspora is destined to die out for a simple fact that it is a diaspora and its (especially younger) members will seek to integrate fully into host culture. Its like Vegas, house (host culture) always wins at the end.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 12, 2011 12:30:14 GMT -5
Nikola, you've been living in Australia for 22 years and you spell Macedonians, in the plural sense, as "Macedonian's"? Something is amiss here.
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Post by darkness on Sept 12, 2011 12:35:09 GMT -5
i have to say that very few albanians marry with non albanians,and i think this is bcs of the albanian culture,we like having non albanian friends but when it comes to our wife,we tend to marry albanian girls.i like dating with all girls but when it comes to marriage i probably will marry an albanian girl,bcs for me it's just mmuch easier,and i like albanian girls eheheh
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Post by Anittas on Sept 12, 2011 12:37:04 GMT -5
"eheheh", maybe you should marry a book or two.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 12, 2011 12:42:47 GMT -5
I was referring to mathematical ads within gambling establishments and not to the city of Vegas itself.
Darkness Marrying within ones own culture to me also makes a lot more sense then it doesn't. It will minimize cultural differences and therefore increase compatibility if anything else. What exactly is the alternative.....marrying a western girl of whose past you have no clue and where sex might be the only thing in common (= pretty much having nothing in common).
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Post by darkness on Sept 12, 2011 12:54:39 GMT -5
I was referring to mathematical ads within gambling establishments and not to the city of Vegas itself. Darkness Marrying within ones own culture to me also makes a lot more sense then it doesn't. It will minimize cultural differences and therefore increase compatibility if anything else. What exactly is the alternative.....marrying a western girl of whose past you have no clue and where sex might be the only thing in common (= pretty much having nothing in common). Great minds think alike ahahahah western girls are good and fun but for me they are not wife material,they don't share my values,and it could be me but i think the western culture is still much different for me,don't get me wrong i like living here and i like the people more or less but still they raise their children much more different then how i have been raised.
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Post by darkness on Sept 12, 2011 12:57:55 GMT -5
"eheheh", maybe you should marry a book or two. and mayby you should marry a bulgarian girl,isn't this a great suggestion.since when are you romanians so civilized?
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Post by Anittas on Sept 12, 2011 13:00:12 GMT -5
"eheheh", maybe you should marry a book or two. and mayby you should marry a bulgarian girl Hey man, that's below the belt.
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Post by odel on Sept 12, 2011 13:57:19 GMT -5
I think it's more important that your partner is a good one instead of marrying some person with no culture, manners, brain and etc just because you share ethnicity.
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Post by Anittas on Sept 12, 2011 14:03:38 GMT -5
I think it's more important that your partner is a good one instead of marrying some person with no culture, manners, brain and etc just because you share ethnicity. It depends. If you're a 'tard, culture matters. Wise people will always find common ground, as long as they love each other.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 12, 2011 15:25:07 GMT -5
I'd like to marry a Greek only a Greek and nothing but.
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Post by mystery on Sept 12, 2011 16:20:17 GMT -5
Majority of the albanians intermarry in the states more so the ones from Macedonia and Kosova while the ones from Albania don't intermarry as much.
I personally don't care. Marry a person you love and like.. But I would prefer a Albanian/balkan women as I don't think my family would be keen for me to marry a non-albanian or even balkan.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 12, 2011 16:26:30 GMT -5
The way I see it is that sooner or later every diaspora is destined to die out for a simple fact that it is a diaspora and its (especially younger) members will seek to integrate fully into host culture. Its like Vegas, house (host culture) always wins at the end. typically, but not necessarily; see the jewish diaspora/s
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Post by Nikola on Sept 12, 2011 16:27:09 GMT -5
Nikola, you've been living in Australia for 22 years and you spell Macedonians, in the plural sense, as "Macedonian's"? Something is amiss here. My browser keeps changing it and I forget to correct it. I know it's Macedonians. I'll make an effort to do it right from now on.
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