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Post by uz on Sept 26, 2011 18:27:47 GMT -5
I am not directly suggesting that we go backwards but yeah you got my point. I was in Prague 2 years ago, beautiful city, amazing sites to see especially regarding Slavic heritage. On one of their main (famous) streets named; Jugoslovenka (lol) from on top walking down the hill/street all you see is banners/signs peekin out the sides of building displaying ( McDonals, KFC, Starbucks, Stores names in English etc... ) This street was the most beautiful, vintage, stone roads antique architecture and whatnot heading straight towards the St. George bridge. All the stores and stands looked so out of place. Then after I went to Bratislava, I enjoyed my stay there more for various of reasons lol, mainly because it felt like I was closer to home (the Balkans). Meaning that almost nothing reminded me of N. America or Western ideologue. The Slovak identity stood out way more in Bratislava than the Czech identity did in Prague. I'm sure you miss Serbia but if you're half or one quarter Greek have you ever been to Greece also? I have Kos and Cyprus too because my family used to live there ( on the Greek part ) No I never been to Greece unfortunately, it was always out of the way from my travels. But I do plan to eventually go, specially to visit the location of my ancestry. I am actually even less than a quarter, my grandfather's grandfather was Greek.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 26, 2011 18:39:19 GMT -5
lol chento, bro, you sound really silly. Man, we are NOT darker than you or any other balkanian, but that's not our problem. The problem is that all of us are pieces in someone else's chess game. Also, talking about Germans, etc... they didn't seem complaining when we were buying their lousy products, that's for sure. Greece pre-1980, was like a typical american protectorate in latin america or middle east : loads of japanese cars, machinery, instruments, etc... After 1990 the lion's share shifted to Germany, (of course under USA's blessing), we came under the German sphere... At the same time, the same forces, were destroying your country, to rip off your resources and converting your land to a 3rd world country. Yugoslavia (the former #1 power in the balkans) stopped to exist. For 20+ years Greece was the leader (of course, artificially, just like Yugo, some 30 years back, was overpriced also artificially regarding ... Hungary , isn't it so??) Now, the masters decided they must use Greece to suit their plans, and they are doing exactly this. PS and "solun" is not "vashe" lol Solun e grkot gradot lol!! Grckata je velikata zemjlata lol I believe the Port of Salonika is up for sale. Given that 47% of its traffic is to/from R.Macedonia, it could end up being ours.....I will then confidently say 'Solun e nash' ;D Laugh now while you still can...out of this rubble will emerge a new Greece with a new agenda...
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Post by Sokol on Sept 26, 2011 19:05:58 GMT -5
I believe the Port of Salonika is up for sale. Given that 47% of its traffic is to/from R.Macedonia, it could end up being ours.....I will then confidently say 'Solun e nash' ;D Laugh now while you still can...out of this rubble will emerge a new Greece with a new agenda... Yes, I do have a joke at your expense, but in all seriousness I wish for Greece and her economy to bounce back and be strong. It is in our interests for Greece to have a strong economy. Like I've said before, once our differences have been resolved, a strong relationship will develop between us. The North-South axis will re-open and trade, cultural exchange etc. will flow through Serbia-Macedonia-Greece.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 26, 2011 20:56:52 GMT -5
I have been to the above mentioned countries and it seems to me their losing their individual identities. The people would agree. I actually had a real long talk about this subject with an Italian guy I met in Puglia, Italy this summer. It would deserve its own thread. Are you saying Western European countries are less European in culture and language than Greece?
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Post by uz on Sept 26, 2011 21:01:51 GMT -5
I have never been to Greece, but I know many people (non-Greek) who go and come back. They tell me about their experience, and ya that's the conclusion. "More" European is the wrong thing to say, they're rather more distinct.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 26, 2011 21:10:05 GMT -5
Greece was under Ottoman rule for hundreds of years, and before that had constant contact with Middle-Eastern empires. The only Western European countries under non-European rule were Portugal, Spain and Italy. And a tiny bit of France in the south.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 27, 2011 2:21:14 GMT -5
Laugh now while you still can...out of this rubble will emerge a new Greece with a new agenda... Yes, I do have a joke at your expense, but in all seriousness I wish for Greece and her economy to bounce back and be strong. It is in our interests for Greece to have a strong economy. Like I've said before, once our differences have been resolved, a strong relationship will develop between us. The North-South axis will re-open and trade, cultural exchange etc. will flow through Serbia-Macedonia-Greece. man, that is exactly why our western-powered gvmts spin over. To prevent any kind of cooperation. And believe me, things are worse in the south part of the border. You will not hear the word "cooperation" by any greek. We are too afraid.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 27, 2011 2:22:38 GMT -5
No I never been to Greece unfortunately, it was always out of the way from my travels. But I do plan to eventually go, specially to visit the location of my ancestry. I am actually even less than a quarter, my grandfather's grandfather was Greek. hmm, that might explain why you sound so weak some times. Unfortunately many srbiajanci have some greek blood. Mixing with true Serbs from Bosnia might solve this. PS Where from was this grandfather's grandfather of yours? bear in mind that if each generation counts as 30 years, then 6 generations is almost 200 years, and the last Serbs to leave their ancient homelands in Epirus were recorded in around 1700..... Maybe your grandfather's grandfather was one of those last Serbs. (overlooking this 100 years leap)
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 27, 2011 5:29:22 GMT -5
They have came in contact with the Persians and Turks that doesn't mean they're racially Asian greeks are white and european not racially mixed mutts i've seen Serbians just as dark as greeks as i say some serbian woman uploaded a pic of her cousin who had a pontid phenotype just as i do and i'm part Turk or partly Lebanese of Turkish descent whatever
the Ottomans went to bosnia armenia bulgaria greece serbia albania your modern day turk would carry those bloodlines and more but not the other way round. Greeks and Southern Europeans are White and Caucasian not Turks Arabs or Jews
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 27, 2011 5:48:38 GMT -5
the Ottomans went to bosnia Yet bosnians, even the muslim ones, are blond. IMO Serbia never had any real turkic ottoman occupation. I would say rather "bosnio-cracy"
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 27, 2011 8:48:56 GMT -5
the Ottomans went to bosnia Yet bosnians, even the muslim ones, are blond. IMO Serbia never had any real turkic ottoman occupation. I would say rather "bosnio-cracy" Tell me you just didn't say that with a straight face? Frankly I m getting sick to my stomach with your remarks ... I got personally nothing against Serbs and Serbia ... but don't make it out that they are the perfect human specimen at the cost of trashing Greeks... How can you say that Serbia never had and real ottoman occupation... somewhere you forgot they they islamized most of the slavs there not to mention the Kosovars that were living among Serbs for ages...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 27, 2011 9:04:27 GMT -5
You can't be serious. Fucking surreal. Anyways, most known Turk pashas in Serbia were from Bosnia, and also most known Turk pashas in Greece were albanian. Most soldiers in the Austrian southern front were (Bosnian/Krajna) Serbs, and most soldiers in the Turkish north front were (Sumadija/South Serbian) Serbs. Most wars were in fact fought between serbs against serbs...
I wish you could understand how much genuinely i love the Greek nation, despite the fact that Greek nation does not love it self...
nuff said with you
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 27, 2011 9:07:27 GMT -5
I didn't mean one was more racially European than the other, I meant culturally and linguistically.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 27, 2011 9:15:40 GMT -5
You can't be serious. f**king surreal. Anyways, most known Turk pashas in Serbia were from Bosnia, and also most known Turk pashas in Greece were albanian. Most soldiers in the Austrian southern front were (Bosnian/Krajna) Serbs, and most soldiers in the Turkish north front were (Sumadija/South Serbian) Serbs. Most wars were in fact fought between serbs against serbs... I wish you could understand how much genuinely i love the Greek nation, despite the fact that Greek nation does not love it self... nuff said with you Serbs have been in Bosnia since the 9th century.. Bosnia was predominately christian and orthodox to be exact... to me they were the same people... after the Ottomans things changed... but feel free to believe otherwise..
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 27, 2011 9:26:16 GMT -5
We are saying the same thing basically, except you are not exactly aware of what you are talking about, while i am ;D (as always)
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 27, 2011 10:11:14 GMT -5
We are saying the same thing basically, except you are not exactly aware of what you are talking about, while i am ;D (as always) So then you agree that the Ottomans changed the Serbian landscape drastically....
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 27, 2011 10:39:46 GMT -5
You can't be serious. f**king surreal. Anyways, most known Turk pashas in Serbia were from Bosnia, and also most known Turk pashas in Greece were albanian. Most soldiers in the Austrian southern front were (Bosnian/Krajna) Serbs, and most soldiers in the Turkish north front were (Sumadija/South Serbian) Serbs. Most wars were in fact fought between serbs against serbs... I wish you could understand how much genuinely i love the Greek nation, despite the fact that Greek nation does not love it self... nuff said with you Albos and and Serbs are on average more Pontid then Bosnians. I haven't seen enough Bosnians to conclude that but most Serbians and the majority of Albanians that i've seen have been Pontid
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Post by missanthropology58 on Sept 27, 2011 11:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 27, 2011 21:37:14 GMT -5
Ha, Greece will become the European Zimbabwe. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2011 1:45:34 GMT -5
We are saying the same thing basically, except you are not exactly aware of what you are talking about, while i am ;D (as always) So then you agree that the Ottomans changed the Serbian landscape drastically.... you don't have a clue. don't bother.
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