Sokol
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Post by Sokol on Sept 11, 2011 23:20:39 GMT -5
Chento, do you seriously believe this? The article is not written by Macedonians. I know there are Macedonian-muslims in Turkey, because you can converse with them there in Macedonian. As for their numbers, I'm not too sure. I'll leave that for the Turks and the Macedonian-muslims there to tell us themselves.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 12, 2011 9:09:59 GMT -5
I bet your dollar Desire will never deny any existence of different nationalities in Turkey, but alot of these nationalities will OVER INFLATE their numbers as a way to get some form of legitimacy from the government. 6 Million Fyromian/Vardarians in Turkey, who currently only have a 2million population in Fyrom/Vardar, so then Serbs must have their descendants in Turkey numbering 24 million?
BS
I would be more inclined to say Turks of Ex-Yugoslavian ancestry numbering around 3million, if that?
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Post by odel on Sept 12, 2011 14:15:49 GMT -5
I bet your dollar Desire will never deny any existence of different nationalities in Turkey, but alot of these nationalities will OVER INFLATE their numbers as a way to get some form of legitimacy from the government. 6 Million Fyromian/Vardarians in Turkey, who currently only have a 2million population in Fyrom/Vardar, so then Serbs must have their descendants in Turkey numbering 24 million? BS I would be more inclined to say Turks of Ex-Yugoslavian ancestry numbering around 3million, if that? 6 million isn't really that exaggerated if you put them all in one category because they're all from Macedonia disregarding actual ethnicity. You Serbs have problem with logic; that the population of Macedonians in Macedonia is smaller than outside of Macedonia is possible. Also, no, if Macedonians are 2*3 millions in Turkey that doesn't mean that the same applies for Serbs meaning that there's 8*3 millions Serbs in Turkey.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2011 18:18:55 GMT -5
I bet your dollar Desire will never deny any existence of different nationalities in Turkey, but alot of these nationalities will OVER INFLATE their numbers as a way to get some form of legitimacy from the government. 6 Million Fyromian/Vardarians in Turkey, who currently only have a 2million population in Fyrom/Vardar, so then Serbs must have their descendants in Turkey numbering 24 million? BS I would be more inclined to say Turks of Ex-Yugoslavian ancestry numbering around 3million, if that? 6 million isn't really that exaggerated if you put them all in one category because they're all from Macedonia disregarding actual ethnicity. You Serbs have problem with logic; that the population of Macedonians in Macedonia is smaller than outside of Macedonia is possible. Also, no, if Macedonians are 2*3 millions in Turkey that doesn't mean that the same applies for Serbs meaning that there's 8*3 millions Serbs in Turkey. This is true, like the Irish, there are more Macedonians outside of Macedonia than inside. For example, a large part of Bulgaria's current population can trace it's origins from Macedonia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2011 9:31:53 GMT -5
So there arn't any Turks but everybody else, BS.
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Post by odel on Sept 13, 2011 10:18:39 GMT -5
So there arn't any Turks but everybody else, BS. No one said that you retard. It's by no means improbable that there's 6 million people in Turkey who descend from the area of Macedonia, especially since there has been large waves of migration from Macedonia to Turkey, that is a documented fact. Those 6 millions are most likely not all ethnic Macedonians however, those who migrated were mostly Muslim Slavs, Albanians, Turks (a lot of them which were Albanians actually and perhaps also Muslim Slavs) and Orthodox Slavs. They all came from the area of Macedonia however, and if that's the only prerequisite for being a Macedonian then they pass it and then the 6 million number is very probable. The only migrations from Serbian lands to Turkey worth mentioning consisted of Muslim Slavs, Albanians and Turks due to the Serb policy to make Serbia an ethnically clean country. Still it is illogical to think that since Serbia has a larger population that must mean that there must be more Serbs in Turkey as it depends on whether there was any large scale migrations from Serbia to Turkey consisting of Serbs, and there wasn't any worth mentioning. However, by your logic, there would be about 24 million Bulgarians in Turkey as well, and as many as 63 million Romanians in Turkey; those numbers are by all means overinflated. There was more migration from Macedonia than from Serbia to Turkey and therefore there are more Macedonians in Turkey today, it is very simple.
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Post by ivo on Sept 13, 2011 16:03:42 GMT -5
This is true. However, let's remember that historically they've identified as ethnic Bulgarians, and still do so today.
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Post by derk on Sept 13, 2011 18:14:07 GMT -5
So there arn't any Turks but everybody else, BS. No one said that you retard. It's by no means improbable that there's 6 million people in Turkey who descend from the area of Macedonia, especially since there has been large waves of migration from Macedonia to Turkey, that is a documented fact. Those 6 millions are most likely not all ethnic Macedonians however, those who migrated were mostly Muslim Slavs, Albanians, Turks (a lot of them which were Albanians actually and perhaps also Muslim Slavs) and Orthodox Slavs. They all came from the area of Macedonia however, and if that's the only prerequisite for being a Macedonian then they pass it and then the 6 million number is very probable. The only migrations from Serbian lands to Turkey worth mentioning consisted of Muslim Slavs, Albanians and Turks due to the Serb policy to make Serbia an ethnically clean country. Still it is illogical to think that since Serbia has a larger population that must mean that there must be more Serbs in Turkey as it depends on whether there was any large scale migrations from Serbia to Turkey consisting of Serbs, and there wasn't any worth mentioning. However, by your logic, there would be about 24 million Bulgarians in Turkey as well, and as many as 63 million Romanians in Turkey; those numbers are by all means overinflated. There was more migration from Macedonia than from Serbia to Turkey and therefore there are more Macedonians in Turkey today, it is very simple. 100% correct.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 13, 2011 18:28:10 GMT -5
In honour of Macedonia's 20th anniversay of independence, Turkey is opening a public park near Anakara with the name 'Macedonia'. The park is 20,000 sqm in size.. www.maticanaiselenici.com/?page=read_news&id=24190Ïîäàðîê Ïàðê âî Àíêàðà ãî íîñè èìåòî Ìàêåäîíè¼àÑêîï¼å, 13 ñåïòåìâðè 2011 Ïî ïîâîä 20 ãîäèíè íåçàâèñíà Ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîíè¼à óòðå âî Òóðöè¼à å ñå îòâîðè ïàðê øòî å ãî íîñè èìåòî "Ìàêåäîíè¼à". Ïàðêîò ñå ïðîñòèðà íà 20.000 ìåòðè êâàäðàòíè è å íà äâå íèâîà, à ëîöèðàí å âî åëèòíèîò äåë íà Àíêàðà, âî ïîçíàòèîò êâàðò ×àíêà¼à êàäå øòî ñå íàîƒà ïðåòñåäàòåëñêàòà ðåçèäåíöè¼à êàêî çíàê çà äîëãîãîäèøíèòå áëèñêè è ïðè¼àòåëñêè îäíîñè ñî Òóðöè¼à. Ñïîðåä ïðåòñåäàòåëîò íà Ðåïóáëèêà Òóðöè¼à, Àáäóëà óë îâà å åäåí ìàë ïîäàðîê çà Ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîíè¼à ïî ïîâîä 20 ãîäèíè îä íå¼çèíàòà íåçàâèñíîñò. Îòâîðàœåòî íà ïàðêîò å áèäå óòðå, à åäåí äåí ïîäîöíà âî õîòåëîò Áèêåíò ìàêåäîíñêàòà àìáàñàäà å îðãàíèçèðà ïðîñëàâà. Ðåïóáëèêà Òóðöè¼à å ñòðàòåøêè ïàðòíåð íà Ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîè¼à, à è âî ìèíàòîòî Òóðöè¼à èìà äàäåíî ãîëåì áðî¼ äîíàöèè âî îäáðàìáåíèîò ñåãìåíò íà Ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, à âàêâèîò ÷èí íà Òóðöè¼à å ïîçäðàâåí îä òóðñêàòà çàåäíèöà íà Ðåïóáëèêà Ìàêåäîíè¼à.
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Post by derk on Sept 13, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -5
lol, turkey is investing in her popularity among the balkan countries these days.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Sept 13, 2011 19:10:14 GMT -5
I bet your dollar Desire will never deny any existence of different nationalities in Turkey, but alot of these nationalities will OVER INFLATE their numbers as a way to get some form of legitimacy from the government. 6 Million Fyromian/Vardarians in Turkey, who currently only have a 2million population in Fyrom/Vardar, so then Serbs must have their descendants in Turkey numbering 24 million? BS I would be more inclined to say Turks of Ex-Yugoslavian ancestry numbering around 3million, if that? Agreed. Not all are Albs either.(as they wish to believe)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2011 21:46:26 GMT -5
^ Thanks Desire, why are there so many warped people?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 1:15:11 GMT -5
that's what grinds my gears about albanians; they think that any yugoslav can possibly be albanian, but an albanian to be yugoslav is unacceptable.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 14, 2011 1:45:05 GMT -5
that's what grinds my gears about albanians; they think that any yugoslav can possibly be albanian, but an albanian to be yugoslav is unacceptable. Isn't that similar to what you say about slavs? All Yugoslavs are Serbs, buy a Serb to be a Croat or Bulgarian is ridiculous?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 1:49:29 GMT -5
that's what grinds my gears about albanians; they think that any yugoslav can possibly be albanian, but an albanian to be yugoslav is unacceptable. Isn't that similar to what you say about slavs? All Yugoslavs are Serbs, buy a Serb to be a Croat or Bulgarian is ridiculous? hehe, touche. however the logical fallacy here is that I make the point that Croats & Bulgars are fabricated identities, while the same does not apply in the original scenario.
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 14, 2011 2:02:28 GMT -5
hehe, touche. however the logical fallacy here is that I make the point that Croats & Bulgars are fabricated identities, while the same does not apply in the original scenario. They have a history and millions of people that identify by those names. All ethnicities are fabricated in some way, I mean Serbs were given their name by the Greeks.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 14, 2011 2:50:40 GMT -5
hehe, touche. however the logical fallacy here is that I make the point that Croats & Bulgars are fabricated identities, while the same does not apply in the original scenario. They have a history and millions of people that identify by those names. All ethnicities are fabricated in some way, I mean Serbs were given their name by the Greeks. Their ethnic-evolution was not natural, but contrived for political gain. millions does not mean anything...there are 142 million mexicans....but their identity is faker than chris angel... the question is, why are you defending these groups, when you really don't know anything about them, or their history?
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Post by derk on Sept 14, 2011 6:27:37 GMT -5
^its called freedom of speech
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 14, 2011 7:02:44 GMT -5
Their ethnic-evolution was not natural, but contrived for political gain. millions does not mean anything...there are 142 million mexicans....but their identity is faker than chris angel... the question is, why are you defending these groups, when you really don't know anything about them, or their history? No ethnicities are naturally made, all are synthetically made. I also defend these countries because you said they are fake. They're obviously aren't.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 14, 2011 19:01:17 GMT -5
They have a history and millions of people that identify by those names. All ethnicities are fabricated in some way, I mean Serbs were given their name by the Greeks. Their ethnic-evolution was not natural, but contrived for political gain. millions does not mean anything...there are 142 million mexicans....but their identity is faker than chris angel... the question is, why are you defending these groups, when you really don't know anything about them, or their history? Krivo, you are Montenegrin correct? If so, what is your opinion about the current nation-building of the Montenegrins - language, church etc.?
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