Sokol
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Post by Sokol on Oct 17, 2011 0:24:09 GMT -5
France's crisis of national identitywww.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frances-crisis-of-national-identity-1826942.htmlFrance in numbersEthnic minorities:3.264m North African (5.23%) 1.080m Sub-Saharan African (1.73%) 441,000 Turkish (0.71%) 757,000 French overseas departéments and territories (1.21%) It is illegal in France for a census to be taken on race or religion – these figures are an estimate by Solis, a marketing company. The percentages are of mainland France, which has a population of 62,400,000. Religions:83%-88% Roman Catholic 2% Protestant 1% Jewish 5%-10% Muslim 4% Unaffiliated Source: CIA World Factbook Napoleon - care to comment?
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 17, 2011 1:27:12 GMT -5
There should be French (nationality), and French (ethnicity). France is made up of many kingdoms and cultures. So, French is kinda like "American" or "Australian". I don't care if the French team is largely "non-French", as long as they play good for France. I also don't care if 'non-French" people call themselves French, as long as their loyal to France.
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Post by uz on Oct 17, 2011 18:05:45 GMT -5
Most immigrants, especially the ones flooding France are loyal to their homeland first. The issue the French people have is not so much the "loyalty" aspect, but the fact these immigrants are heating the melting pot. They found good grounds, if you think about it. Western Europe, and a feeble nation.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 17, 2011 18:06:40 GMT -5
so are you french - ethnicity? any relation to gabrielle gatte?
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 17, 2011 18:10:27 GMT -5
Most immigrants, especially the ones flooding France are loyal to their homeland first. The issue the French people have is not so much the "loyalty" aspect, but the fact these immigrants are heating the melting pot. They found good grounds, if you think about it. Western Europe, and a feeble nation. Most, I've seen, aren't doing anything wrong (AFAIK). They find a job, they work, pay taxes and follow the law. But then there's the immigrants who refuse to work and refuse to live like a Frenchman. They're the problem, and they shouldn't be allowed to live here. But if they're born here, or have French citizenship, then you can't kick them out. Instead, there should be programs to encourage good behaviour among minorities. so are you french - ethnicity? any relation to gabrielle gatte? Yes, French ethnicity. Born in Australia to two French migrants.
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Post by uz on Oct 17, 2011 18:32:43 GMT -5
I am sure they pay taxes (or at least a huge number do), maybe there's more "native" French citizens avoiding taxes than immigrants. Either way, most do not live like a french-man (not sure what you mean by that anyway), I have been told by older folks who have been to France years years ago, and have gone recently, and have experienced what most French people are saying. Lack of identity. There is a reason why Sarkozy is promoting French culture through legal binding frameworks, I dont blame him either.
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 17, 2011 18:57:39 GMT -5
Neither do I. I like most of what Sarkozy is doing. But you can't blame all of France's problems in migrants, because once they all leave, the problems will still be there.
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Post by uz on Oct 17, 2011 19:06:44 GMT -5
I am not blaming the immigrants. This is the enviroment that Western Europe created. They made their bed, and now must sleep in it.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 17, 2011 19:38:16 GMT -5
Exactly. ^
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