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Post by Bozur on Oct 19, 2011 7:14:30 GMT -5
Religious war in the Balkans was orchestrated by USA and NATO20.07.2011
On July 18, the USA and NATO were accused of the massacre in the Balkans. Such accusations wouldn't be surprising, if they came from the Serbs, for instance. This time, it goes about Croatia and Britain. To be more precise, it goes about the former commander of UN forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina, British General Michael Rose, and Vice President of the Republic of Srpska (RS, a part of Bosnia and Herzegovina), Emil Vlajki. The latter represents the Croats in the RS.
Mr. Rose directly accused the USA and NATO of the Srebrenica massacre. According to him, the massacre took place because UN's peacemaking efforts were systematically disrupted during the conflict in Bosnia in 1992-1995.
The statement became Michael Rose's response to another portion of criticism regarding the inaction of UN troops during the Bosnian war. According to the general, after the deployment of UN troops in BiH, which mostly played the humanitarian role, NATO with the United States at the head were systematically undermining UN's peacemaking efforts, violating the embargo on arms shipments in Yugoslavia. NATO and the USA were simultaneously arming and training the Bosnian Muslims, the general said. According to Rose, it gave the Muslims certainty of their ability to defeat the Serbs with the power of weapons. It also shattered confidence in the UN mission in the eyes of the parties of the conflict. The UN was thus unable to succeed in its peacemaking initiatives. NATO's and USA's air raids were unable to show influence on the events that were taking place on the ground. It virtually resulted in the collapse of the UN mission in 1995, which made General Ratko Mladic attack Srebrenica, Michael Rose said.
According to the British general, if NATO forces had been deployed in BiH in 1992, as BiH's President Alija Izetbegovic wanted in order to put an end to the conflict in Croatia, neither the war, nor the massacre would have happened. UN peacemakers in Bosnia could not do anything against it because they had no mandate for it, nor were they equipped and trained properly for combat operations. That role belonged to NATO, but the alliance only confined itself to bombardments, the British general concluded.
As for the notorious statement from Emil Vlajki, he demanded the USA should bring its apologies for the Balkan events. Vlajki said that he wanted the States to apologize for convincing the leader of Bosnian Muslims Alija Izetbegovic to refuse from observing the terms of the Lisbon Treaty from 1992, which guaranteed peace in Bosnia.
According to Vlajki, the USA initiated the bloody war, which took the Serbs back to the pre-civil society of mutual hatred and feudalism. He also criticized the Americans for breaking the UN embargo for the delivery of arms in BiH during the war. Foreign Mujahideeds were thus given an opportunity to enter Bosnia, the official said. Vlajki also accused the Americans of turning BiH into a time bomb.
"Why did you deceive the Croats and made them unite with the Muslims into the Croatian-Muslim federation of BiH, which marked the beginning of the end of the Croatian nation in this part of Bosnia and Herzegovina? They were interfering with our elections all the time after the Dayton Accord, because they were previously supporting the illegal, illegitimate and anti-Croatian government of platformists in the BiH Federation, established on the base of illegal decree from High Representative in Bosnia-Herzegovina (BiH) Valentin Inzko," he said.
To put it in a nutshell, Emil Vlajki warns of another conflict that may erupt in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It may happen because of the efforts of the United States again, he added. According to him, America was pursuing its own interest in this case. "To realize the idea of their prominent political scientist Samuel Huntington, they turned BiH into the key territory on which two civilizations - Islam and Christianity - would clash. The final goal of the States, Vlajki believes, was to slow down the unification of Europe.
Leonid Ivashov, the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, commented on the notorious statements from the British general and the Croatian politician.
"I'd like to remind here of the international conference, which took place in 2009. The conference was devoted to the tenth anniversary of NATO's war against Yugoslavia. There were two reports made during the meeting, which said that the destruction of that country was planned in the West long before the events in 1991-1999. A report from French General Pierre Gallois was especially interesting at this point. He told of the secret meeting at the French General Staff in 1985, during which NATO's leading countries were elaborating the plans to destroy Yugoslavia.
"The report from Michel Chossudovsky of Canada was a very interesting one too. He particularly said that the World Bank was also planning the destruction of Yugoslavia. The existence of this socialist state and its system, which differed from the systems of other Western states, was threatening Europe and the West in general. Yugoslavia did not fit in the picture of the world, which Washington and Brussels would like to build.
"As for the Srebrenica events, one shouldn't forget that it was the Americans, as well as the Vatican to a certain extent, that fostered hatred between the Serbs and the Bosnians. It was them, who pushed the Islamic clergy of Bosnia towards publishing the fatwah about the struggle against the infidels. The goal was different here - they wanted Islam and Christianity to clash.
"As for technical issues, the job was done by mercenaries from Western countries, from the USA, first and foremost. It goes about private military campaigns, in which soldiers would guise themselves as warriors of hostile sides. They would commit numerous crimes trying to provoke massacre.
"Unfortunately, one has to acknowledge today that the West achieved its goal. Yugoslavia was destroyed, but the Americans are trying to destroy even the proud Serbian spirit to completely bury their aspiration for independent politics. That was the time when the West tested a completely new kind of war, the continuation of which we can now witness in Libya and Syria," Ivashov said.
Sergei Balmasov
Pravda.Ru
english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-07-2011/118540-balkans_massacre-0/
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Post by Bozur on Oct 19, 2011 7:27:05 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntingtonquotes from above link -The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do —— The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, p. 51. -Hypocrisy, double standards, and "but nots" are the price of universalist pretensions. Democracy is promoted, but not if it brings Islamic fundamentalists to power; nonproliferation is preached for Iran and Iraq, but not for Israel; free trade is the elixir of economic growth, but not for agriculture; human rights are an issue for China, but not with Saudi Arabia; aggression against oil-owning Kuwaitis is massively repulsed, but not against non-oil-owning Bosnians. Double standards in practice are the unavoidable price of universal standards of principle —— The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, p. 184. -Islam's borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power —— Huntington's 1998 text The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Order. -A world without U.S. primacy will be a world with more violence and disorder and less democracy and economic growth than a world where the United States continues to have more influence than any other country in shaping global affairs. The sustained international primacy of the United States is central to the welfare and security of Americans and to the future of freedom, democracy, open economies, and international order in the world. —— "Why International Primacy Matters," International Security (Spring 1993):83.
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Post by derk on Oct 20, 2011 15:25:06 GMT -5
I suppose it won't be long until UZ, Novi, Krivo and Gyros spam this thread with NWO shit...
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Post by Moe Lester on Oct 20, 2011 15:50:47 GMT -5
What isn't these days. I guess if I lost my job today, the US would be to blame?
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Post by uz on Oct 20, 2011 19:01:15 GMT -5
This is obvious to anyone who is level headed Derk. You just got your head twirled around an idea that makes you feel safe and cozy inside and this is putting aside the fact that you have a preemptive dislike to Serbs here.
Anyone who levels both arguments; Serb perspective vs. Western Perspective will naturally come to the conclusion that the dissolution of Yugoslavia (the wars) was a result of heavy foreign influences.
Some of the proof you need has already been talked about in this forum, take what you find here and expand if you really care to know the truth. If you don't care for the truth (most likely the case), then truly your only purpose here is to troll, so be weary when you throw around that word.
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Post by srbobran on Oct 20, 2011 19:08:17 GMT -5
Trolls are funny though. I find derk's humor to be wholly predictable and witless.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 20, 2011 23:25:38 GMT -5
I have some questions that pertain to the Kosova war. It is believed by many that the US and other western powers ignited the violence between Serbs and Albanians. If the CIA was telling the KLA to instigate, wouldn't Serbia have had some intelligence to know of this? Why would they bite the bait? I would like serious discussion on this. I would appreciate if clowns like novus and pyrros don't fuck it up.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 21, 2011 0:25:38 GMT -5
The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed for classified reasons, and then the UK and the US lobbied France to do the same. The US then cultivated diplomatic relationships with the KLA leaders. Foreign supportIn 1996 a British weekly newspaper, The European, carried an article by a French expert stating that "German civil and military intelligence services have been involved in training and equipping the rebels with the aim of cementing German influence in the Balkan area. (...) The birth of the KLA in 1996 coincided with the appointment of Hansjoerg Geiger as the new head of the BND (German secret Service). (...) The BND men were in charge of selecting recruits for the KLA command structure from the 500,000 Kosovars in Albania." Former senior adviser to the German parliament Matthias Küntzel tried to prove later on that German secret diplomacy had been instrumental in helping the KLA since its creation. James Bissett, Canadian Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania in 1990 writes that "media reports" indicate that "as early as 1998, the Central Intelligence Agency assisted by the British Special Air Service were arming and training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion in Kosovo. (...) The hope was that with Kosovo in flames NATO could intervene ..." According to Tim Judah, KLA representatives had already met with American, British, and Swiss intelligence agencies in 1996, and possibly "several years earlier" and according to The Sunday Times, "American intelligence agents have admitted they helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia". Intelligence agents denied, however, that they were involved in arming the KLA. American Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, while opposed to American ground troops in Kosovo, advocated for America providing support to the Kosovo Liberation to help them gain their freedom. He was honored by the Albanian American Civic League at a New Jersey located fundraising event on July 23rd, 2001. President of the League, Joseph J. DioGuardi, praised Rohrabacher for his support to the Kosovo Liberation Army, saying "He was the first member of Congress to insist that the United States arm the Kosova Liberation Army, and one of the few members who to this day publicly supports the independence of Kosova." Rohrabacher gave a speech in support of American equipping the KLA with weaponry, comparing it to French support of America in the Revolutionary War, saying "Based on our own experience, the Kosova Liberation Army should have been armed." "If the U.S. had armed the KLA in 1998, we would not be where we are today. The 'freedom fighters' would have secured their freedom and Kosova would be independent." Sources; ^ FALLGOT, Roger (1998): "How Germany Backed KLA", in The European, 21 September-27 September. pp 21-27. ^ KUNTZEL, Matthias (2002): Der Weg in den Krieg. Deutschland, die Nato und das Kosovo (The Road to War. Germany, Nato and Kosovo). Elefanten Press. Berlin, Germany. pp. 59-64. ^ James Bissett ^ JUDAH, Tim (2002): Kosovo: War and Revenge. Yale University Press. New Haven, USA. Page 120 ^ The Centre for Peace in the Balkans THE SUNDAY TIMES, London, UK March 12, 2000 ^ Congress (1999). Congressional Record. Government Printing Office. p. 7743. books.google.com/books?id=8hGwXHr0eNEC&pg=PA7742&dq=rohrabacher+kosovo&hl=en&ei=QfjBTb1FqfHSAbWx1LYK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=helping%20them%20do%20this%20would%20have%20cost%20us%20a%20pittance&f=false. Retrieved 3 May 2011. ^ The New American (4 May 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.(Rep Dana Rohrabacher and the Kosovo Liberation Army)(Brief Article)". The New American. www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-79789123.html. Retrieved January 7 2011. ^ The New American (September 24, 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.". The New American. www.thefreelibrary.com/Rohrabacher+Shills+for+the+KLA-a079789123. Retrieved 4 MAy 2011. ^ The New American (September 24, 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.". American Opinion Publishing, Inc.. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_20_17/ai_n25037473/. Retrieved 4 MAy 2011.
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Post by uz on Oct 21, 2011 0:56:59 GMT -5
I have some questions that pertain to the Kosova war. It is believed by many that the US and other western powers ignited the violence between Serbs and Albanians. If the CIA was telling the KLA to instigate, wouldn't Serbia have had some intelligence to know of this? Why would they bite the bait? I would like serious discussion on this. I would appreciate if clowns like novus and pyrros don't f**k it up. The question is, when did the hate begin? I believe there is no doubt that they're fueling the flames, hence what is happening now in Kosovo.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 21, 2011 4:41:58 GMT -5
^It's been there long before our existence and it will last long after we are gone.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Oct 21, 2011 4:48:14 GMT -5
The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed for classified reasons, and then the UK and the US lobbied France to do the same. The US then cultivated diplomatic relationships with the KLA leaders. Foreign supportIn 1996 a British weekly newspaper, The European, carried an article by a French expert stating that "German civil and military intelligence services have been involved in training and equipping the rebels with the aim of cementing German influence in the Balkan area. (...) The birth of the KLA in 1996 coincided with the appointment of Hansjoerg Geiger as the new head of the BND (German secret Service). (...) The BND men were in charge of selecting recruits for the KLA command structure from the 500,000 Kosovars in Albania." Former senior adviser to the German parliament Matthias Küntzel tried to prove later on that German secret diplomacy had been instrumental in helping the KLA since its creation. James Bissett, Canadian Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania in 1990 writes that "media reports" indicate that "as early as 1998, the Central Intelligence Agency assisted by the British Special Air Service were arming and training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion in Kosovo. (...) The hope was that with Kosovo in flames NATO could intervene ..." According to Tim Judah, KLA representatives had already met with American, British, and Swiss intelligence agencies in 1996, and possibly "several years earlier" and according to The Sunday Times, "American intelligence agents have admitted they helped to train the Kosovo Liberation Army before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia". Intelligence agents denied, however, that they were involved in arming the KLA. American Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, while opposed to American ground troops in Kosovo, advocated for America providing support to the Kosovo Liberation to help them gain their freedom. He was honored by the Albanian American Civic League at a New Jersey located fundraising event on July 23rd, 2001. President of the League, Joseph J. DioGuardi, praised Rohrabacher for his support to the Kosovo Liberation Army, saying "He was the first member of Congress to insist that the United States arm the Kosova Liberation Army, and one of the few members who to this day publicly supports the independence of Kosova." Rohrabacher gave a speech in support of American equipping the KLA with weaponry, comparing it to French support of America in the Revolutionary War, saying "Based on our own experience, the Kosova Liberation Army should have been armed." "If the U.S. had armed the KLA in 1998, we would not be where we are today. The 'freedom fighters' would have secured their freedom and Kosova would be independent." Sources; ^ FALLGOT, Roger (1998): "How Germany Backed KLA", in The European, 21 September-27 September. pp 21-27. ^ KUNTZEL, Matthias (2002): Der Weg in den Krieg. Deutschland, die Nato und das Kosovo (The Road to War. Germany, Nato and Kosovo). Elefanten Press. Berlin, Germany. pp. 59-64. ^ James Bissett ^ JUDAH, Tim (2002): Kosovo: War and Revenge. Yale University Press. New Haven, USA. Page 120 ^ The Centre for Peace in the Balkans THE SUNDAY TIMES, London, UK March 12, 2000 ^ Congress (1999). Congressional Record. Government Printing Office. p. 7743. books.google.com/books?id=8hGwXHr0eNEC&pg=PA7742&dq=rohrabacher+kosovo&hl=en&ei=QfjBTb1FqfHSAbWx1LYK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=helping%20them%20do%20this%20would%20have%20cost%20us%20a%20pittance&f=false. Retrieved 3 May 2011. ^ The New American (4 May 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.(Rep Dana Rohrabacher and the Kosovo Liberation Army)(Brief Article)". The New American. www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-79789123.html. Retrieved January 7 2011. ^ The New American (September 24, 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.". The New American. www.thefreelibrary.com/Rohrabacher+Shills+for+the+KLA-a079789123. Retrieved 4 MAy 2011. ^ The New American (September 24, 2001). "Rohrabacher Shills for the KLA.". American Opinion Publishing, Inc.. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_20_17/ai_n25037473/. Retrieved 4 MAy 2011. The KLA wasn't armed by the west. If so it wouldn't have been necessary for people like Floriin Krasniqi to sneak in millions of dollars worth of arms through diaspora Albanians' donations.
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Post by derk on Oct 21, 2011 5:39:00 GMT -5
Trolls are funny though. I find derk's humor to be wholly predictable and witless. don't know what to say.. thank you? for understanding that I am not a troll
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 21, 2011 13:25:33 GMT -5
This is obvious to anyone who is level headed Derk. You just got your head twirled around an idea that makes you feel safe and cozy inside and this is putting aside the fact that you have a preemptive dislike to Serbs here. Anyone who levels both arguments; Serb perspective vs. Western Perspective will naturally come to the conclusion that the dissolution of Yugoslavia (the wars) was a result of heavy foreign influences. Some of the proof you need has already been talked about in this forum, take what you find here and expand if you really care to know the truth. If you don't care for the truth (most likely the case), then truly your only purpose here is to troll, so be weary when you throw around that word. Have you got proof that he hates Serbians?
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Post by uz on Oct 21, 2011 15:09:40 GMT -5
I said Serbs here, I don't know nor care whether he hates all Serbs or not.
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Post by uz on Oct 21, 2011 15:29:14 GMT -5
^It's been there long before our existence and it will last long after we are gone. The tension between the Serbs and the Albs only works for their benefit. I think it's heavely exagerated, and yes it's only logical that the USA gave the go-ahead to the KLA/Thaci to start provoking Serbs.
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Post by derk on Oct 21, 2011 15:48:19 GMT -5
^yeah yeah, its all NWO... you can even ask Gyros if you don't believe me...
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Post by uz on Oct 21, 2011 16:46:02 GMT -5
^yeah yeah, its all NWO... you can even ask Gyros if you don't believe me... What's NWO ? tell me something more besides these extravagent claims. I want to know whether you actually know something.
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Post by derk on Oct 31, 2011 14:35:28 GMT -5
^yeah sorry UZi, it was the aliens... right?
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 31, 2011 17:22:35 GMT -5
I shouldn't joke about the Zogs dude. Not everyone who believes in them is a Nazi redneck or a nutjob who believes in Aliens
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Post by uz on Oct 31, 2011 17:34:23 GMT -5
^yeah sorry UZi, it was the aliens... right? Nwo=Aliens? You've been watching too many X-files episodes while you been gone from here.
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