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Post by Sokol on Oct 27, 2011 17:52:34 GMT -5
macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19466/2/Macedonian and Russian MoIs sign cooperation agreement Thursday, 27 October 2011 Minister of Interior Gordana Jankuloska and Russian colleague Rashid Gumarovich Nurgaliyev signed a cooperation agreement between the two ministries in Moscow on Thursday. Minister Jankuloska stressed the agreement is of exceptional significance for the Republic of Macedonia, confirming prior cooperation and the excellent perspectives for further enhancement of mutual relations. Minister Nurgaliyev expressed Russia's interest in finding mechanisms for more efficient implementation of the agreement, proposing the establishment of mixed working groups and regular high-level meetings between representatives of the countries' ministries. According to him, the two nations and countries are tied by language, culture and many other factors, whereas the Russian Federation would remain Macedonia's serious partner. Jankuloska thanked Nurgaliyev for Russia's support in Macedonia's struggle to preserve its constitutional name, which is in the country's most vital interest. Interlocutors agreed that regardless of their size, all countries are faced with the same challenges and threats of global terrorism and extremism, illicit trafficking in narcotics, people and arms, but also new forms of cybercrime that know no boundaries. According to them, exchange of experiences and operational information would contribute to more efficient combat against these threats. Minister Jankuloska also voiced readiness for further facilitation of the bilateral travel regime and annulment of visas, resulting in improved exchange of commodities, services and know-how. In line with the agreement, the two ministries will cooperate in the prevention, identification and uprooting of crime, including those perpetrated by organized rings, primarily in the fields of violent crime, extremist activities, property crimes, corruption, economic crime, human trafficking, especially with women and children, prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation, illicit trafficking with human organs and tissues, illicit arms trafficking, illicit narcotics trafficking, production and trade with falsified banknotes, documents, securities and credit cards, crimes related to theft and smuggling of cultural, historic, scientific and artistic values, IT crimes, illegal migration, child pornography.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Oct 28, 2011 17:05:54 GMT -5
Nice sig : "...In all my years of war, I have never in my life seen anything more terrifying, than those Macedonians advancing through the battlefield..."
Lucius Aemilius Paulus (Roman General) Pydna 182 BCI see you're still masturbating over things that have nothing - whatsoever - to do with your people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 29, 2011 1:37:55 GMT -5
BBB how are you?
you never came back to answer me in the other thread.
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Post by Sokol on Oct 30, 2011 17:41:35 GMT -5
Nice sig : "...In all my years of war, I have never in my life seen anything more terrifying, than those Macedonians advancing through the battlefield..."
Lucius Aemilius Paulus (Roman General) Pydna 182 BCI see you're still masturbating over things that have nothing - whatsoever - to do with your people. I am Macedonian. You are not.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Oct 31, 2011 1:33:33 GMT -5
BBB how are you? you never came back to answer me in the other thread. Sorry Pyrros. I am generally extremely time poor … too time poor to get into the type of in-depth discussions that would be needed.
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Oct 31, 2011 1:34:52 GMT -5
Nice sig : "...In all my years of war, I have never in my life seen anything more terrifying, than those Macedonians advancing through the battlefield..."
Lucius Aemilius Paulus (Roman General) Pydna 182 BCI see you're still masturbating over things that have nothing - whatsoever - to do with your people. I am Macedonian. You are not. … but not that time poor that I won’t venture to explain to Chento that he is as Macedonian as the native Turks of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Vlachs of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Albanians of Macedonia and so forth … as Macedonian, basically, as any native inhabitant of the region (which is not to say that people of refugee stock cannot use the label geographically). But being a Slavo-Bulgar, descendant of the Slavs who came as invaders to the region some nine centuries after Alexander as well as of Khuber’s later Bulgars … carrying the Bulgar label until well into the twentieth century … and living in regions at best peripheral to ancient Macedonia, he is most certainly NOT more Macedonian than the native Greeks of Macedonia whose ancestors bore that name from birth. That is, he can never be more Macedonian that the Makedones themselves, who still inhabit the very core of ancient Macedonia and still speak a language of the same Greek family No amount of oversized statues of Philip and Alexander will change that fact … but granted he is no doubt more Macedonian than Boris Yeltsin.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 31, 2011 5:01:53 GMT -5
Maks get mad when they are called "Slavo-Bulgars". And they are right, because there is no such a thing. So you read the book of Max Vasmer right? Now go and search into this governmental Greek site : pandektis.ekt.gr/pandektis/Blows Vasmer away, (but from the opposite direction you would want).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 31, 2011 5:05:17 GMT -5
also there is no "your ppl" and "my ppl"
All those dudes from Levadia in central/south greece up to northern bulgaria and eastern serbia .... are the same race basically.
ex-SlavoThrakoVlahs
The fact that Slavic was spoken in Northern Greece (after the countless attempts to greekification) is a sign of the superior power of the slavs...
Even today the ex-slavic villages in macedonia have more vivid customs, fun, energy than the purely vlah villages.
Just look at ET3 documentaries man "Sto Horio"... and look at the differences...
nuff said
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Post by BigBlackBeast on Oct 31, 2011 5:48:36 GMT -5
Maks get mad when they are called "Slavo-Bulgars". And they are right, because there is no such a thing. They get mad do they!? WTF? The only 'Maks' I know are Greeks. As for Chento's Slavomaks (best I can do) they are certainly Slavs ... and they were certainly Bulgars for most of their history. So you read the book of Max Vasmer right? Now go and search into this governmental Greek site : pandektis.ekt.gr/pandektis/Blows Vasmer away, (but from the opposite direction you would want). I'm aware of Pandektis ... and credit to the Greek government. And how exactly do you know what direction I would want?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 31, 2011 6:00:06 GMT -5
^^ this naive (and baseless) pro-Bulgarian stance will come back and bite us.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 31, 2011 7:10:16 GMT -5
also there is no "your ppl" and "my ppl" All those dudes from Levadia in central/south greece up to northern bulgaria and eastern serbia .... are the same race basically. ex-SlavoThrakoVlahs The fact that Slavic was spoken in Northern Greece (after the countless attempts to greekification) is a sign of the superior power of the slavs... Even today the ex-slavic villages in macedonia have more vivid customs, fun, energy than the purely vlah villages. Just look at ET3 documentaries man "Sto Horio"... and look at the differences... nuff said Yes I agree with that.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 31, 2011 7:11:42 GMT -5
In line with the agreement, the two ministries will cooperate in the prevention, identification and uprooting of crime, including those perpetrated by organized rings, primarily in the fields of violent crime, extremist activities, property crimes, corruption, economic crime, human trafficking, especially with women and children, prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation, illicit trafficking with human organs and tissues, illicit arms trafficking, illicit narcotics trafficking, production and trade with falsified banknotes, documents, securities and credit cards, crimes related to theft and smuggling of cultural, historic, scientific and artistic values, IT crimes, illegal migration, child pornography.
Most of the gangs in Russia are made up by Ashkenazi Jews
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Post by missanthropology58 on Oct 31, 2011 7:15:50 GMT -5
he native Turks of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Vlachs of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Albanians of Macedonia and so forth … as Macedonian, basically, as any native inhabitant of the region (which is not to say that people of refugee stock cannot use the label geographically).
Turks isn't a race Turks are not Slavic they're called Turks because they converted to Islam we don't identify with being Turkish. The brown ethnic Turks who live in the desert do the Kurds and Persians are the Asians
the ethnic Turks who are Mong are the Asians
We Identify with being Potanic Greeks Bulgarians Hungarians Georgian Laz etc not ''Turkish''
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Post by Sokol on Nov 1, 2011 18:01:13 GMT -5
I am Macedonian. You are not. … but not that time poor that I won’t venture to explain to Chento that he is as Macedonian as the native Turks of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Vlachs of Macedonia, as Macedonian as the native Albanians of Macedonia and so forth … as Macedonian, basically, as any native inhabitant of the region (which is not to say that people of refugee stock cannot use the label geographically). But being a Slavo-Bulgar, descendant of the Slavs who came as invaders to the region some nine centuries after Alexander as well as of Khuber’s later Bulgars … carrying the Bulgar label until well into the twentieth century … and living in regions at best peripheral to ancient Macedonia, he is most certainly NOT more Macedonian than the native Greeks of Macedonia whose ancestors bore that name from birth. That is, he can never be more Macedonian that the Makedones themselves, who still inhabit the very core of ancient Macedonia and still speak a language of the same Greek family No amount of oversized statues of Philip and Alexander will change that fact … but granted he is no doubt more Macedonian than Boris Yeltsin. But isn't funny how it is the Slavic speakers of Macedonia who fight for an independent Macedonia? Have the native Greeks lost their way? Why do they bow down to the Athenians? Why don't they support an independent Macedonia?
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Post by uz on Nov 1, 2011 18:03:37 GMT -5
What fight? You have your country thanks to Tito. If it wasn't for Yugoslavia, Macedonia would've been split between Serbia and Bulgaria. You know this man, Macedon no longer exists.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 1, 2011 18:23:53 GMT -5
What fight? You have your country thanks to Tito. If it wasn't for Yugoslavia, Macedonia would've been split between Serbia and Bulgaria. You know this man, Macedon no longer exists. Tito? I guess he was a founder of VMRO...was he even born then?? Map of Macedonia produced by the Macedonian colony in St Petersburg 1918
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Post by uz on Nov 1, 2011 18:25:38 GMT -5
You know very well that Macedonia got off pretty good after Yugoslavia fell.
To say you "fought" for independance is arrogant and falsifying history.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 1, 2011 18:40:52 GMT -5
You know very well that Macedonia got off pretty good after Yugoslavia fell. To say you "fought" for independance is arrogant and falsifying history. You are right about our separation from SFRJ. But our fight for an independent Macedonia goes back much further than this.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 2, 2011 2:47:35 GMT -5
everything slavic-good in makedonia is Serbian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 2, 2011 6:46:16 GMT -5
Chento, the name Macedonia was used as a regional concept, stupid serbian writers were calling themselves Macedonians from the 15th century. In kosovo there are monastries that have the vergina sun painted in frescos.
Please don't play stupid, slavs were NEVER macedonians, slavs learnt of the name and used it as a geographical designation.
Once again, read and learn:
At the end of the fifteenth and during the sixteenth centuries, many lands of the Balkan Peninsula, because of erroneous recollections of classical world, were, mostly by local writers, called Macedonia - even Old Serbia, Zeta (Montenegro), Albania, Bosnia and Hercegovina." The geographically ill-informed author of the folk poem about Prince kaica places the Danubian town of Smederevo in Macedonia. Two versions of Dushans legal code, those of Ravanica and Sofia-both from the seveenth century-call Dushan emperor of Macedonia. The Sofia version reads: "The pious and Christian Stefan, Emperor of Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece and Dalmatia, while that of ravanica says simply: "The pious, faithful and Christian Emperor of Macedonia, Stefan." In a record of 1561, written at the monastery of Zavala, in Hercegovina, it is stated that this monastery lies "in the shelter of Mount Velezh, which is in the Macedonian lands." Bozhidar h-Podgorichanin says of himself that he comes from "Diocletian lands, in Macedonia, from the town of Podgorica." Certain pilgrims to the Holy Sepulcher, Vukovoj, Gavrilo, Sava, Jovan and Sekule, state on two occasions that they are from "the Macedonian lands, from the land of Zahumlje, known as Hercegovina." In 1569, a certain Jakov says that he is from "the Macedonian lands, from the place called Sofia." In 1615, it was stated that the monastery of Moracha is situated "in the region of Hercegovina, in the western lands, in the Macedonian lands." It was on account of such statements that Vuk Stefanovich Karadzich observed that "all our people's lands are called Macedonia." Heinrich Muller's Turkish Chroncile, published at Frankfurt-on-Main in 1577, contains an interesting passage on Macedonia which reads: "However valiantly the Serbian people fought in Macedonia, the Sultan nevertheless occupied the Serbian towns of Serrai, Strumica, Philippopolis and Veles......Bajazit also collected a great army against the powerful ruler Marko of Macedonia, which land is the most fertile of all Serbia." The unknown writer who continued the work of Archbishop Danilo, in the section entitled "On the Enthronement of the Second Patriarch, the Serbian Kir Sava, "took one part, and the other Vukashin, who, in claiming the kingdom, cared nothing for the curse of Saint Sava. And Ugljesha took the Greek lands and towns. After this, having gathered together, they went into Macedonia, were killed by the Turks and thus met their end." As may be seen, the term "macedonia" signifies merely a geographical concept which has been insufficiently defined and which has no ethnographical sigificance.
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