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Post by missanthropology58 on Nov 20, 2011 12:02:46 GMT -5
Such hate from many of you. A very interesting place. First I notice certain posters hate the Jews, the West, America, the Turks, FYROM, and blame them for everything. Now I see I have to add Albanians to the list. How do you find the time to hate so many? We say Zog Jews not the nice cozy religious ones who go and pray at their Orthodox Churches. If you don't understand the meaning of ''Zog'' look it up. We hate the Wests imperialism is it surprising that Eastern Europeans and Southern Europeans especially the Serbs and Greeks and Russians hate their asses. It's like asking a Russian, ''hey how much do you like the Germans for coming into your country and raping your Slavic women, and saying Slavs are sub human'' Germany was more friendly towards the Turks and Albanians than they were to Greeks, hell there were even more Jews in the SS than they were Greeks ( apart from Hess ofcourse )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 19:11:47 GMT -5
I would not stay that so much. It sure looks like they believe that their people or country is the best, and that all their peoples/countries ails are the fault of others.
When it was known the first time that Greece was having issues, Greece pointed the finger at Germany. Then it came out that Greece had fudged the numbers to get in the EU. Still they did not admit they did wrong. The EU knew about the numbers, yet admitted Greece into the EU. Now look at what's going on. Greece is broke and still pointing fingers. No matter who's fault it is, Greece should sit and say "We have bad problems and we need to fix them", and stop letting the EU dictate to them their every move.
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 19:22:25 GMT -5
again we come to this factor.... Whose gona stop it when the one running to country are EU-puppets.
Many Greeks probably agree with you, but what else can they do? Democratic protests didn't go anywhere, cause the real-Greek voice was over-shadowed by young immature rioters/hooligans.
Greece was set up, this was coming and the Greek people had zero say in it.
Everyone was offering Greece candy and now we blame Greece for taking it and use it against them?
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 20, 2011 19:36:15 GMT -5
they entered the euro by altering their balance sheets, they intentionally doctored the figures to adhere to EU criteria....how the fuck were they set up? just because someone wants to give you smth in exchange for an interest return on it, it doesn't me you should just take it, the problem is deeper than individual components hence the problem becomes of a cultural nature, why were not government decisions challenged? when people were borrowing so gratuitously, did it not occur to them that they have to pay all this money back?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 19:37:06 GMT -5
I am glad to see that someone else noticed this, too. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 19:47:25 GMT -5
Not at all. I agree with Mr. Atdhetar. Greece knew all to well what they were doing to get into the Eurozone. Even then, I believe going to the Euro was by EU persuasion, not the will of the Greek people. What about bribery and tax evasion in Greece? Does one believe this has been fixed since the below article was published? www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ajJ0yYcU43FQ&pos=10
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 19:55:36 GMT -5
Not at all. I agree with Mr. Atdhetar. Greece knew all to well what they were doing to get into the Eurozone. Even then, I believe going to the Euro was by EU persuasion, not the will of the Greek people. Sure the politicians knew about it, but this isn't my point. The people were duped. Half a century ago a nations leader would be lynched for getting their country in this much shit. Times have changed, revolts don't work cause the "rebels" and "revolutionists" get labelled as nationalist/extremist (big NO-NO-words). The Greek people had no choice in these matters. If the government is responsible for lying, then those sould be tried for treason, it's simple as that. Holding a whole nation hostage isn't fair by any means.
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 20:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 20, 2011 20:20:25 GMT -5
The fact that western gvmts have their noses covered with balkan blood, is an inconvenient truth that you systematically try to avoid. If the West didn't intervene, there would be a giant question mark on the former Yugoslavia. People would kill each other, discriminate, expel populations, and the borders would constantly be changing. The West brought whatever kind of stability we could, which wasn't really that stable, but more stable than if we didn't intervene.
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 20:24:45 GMT -5
^ I disagree. A peaceful disolution of Yugoslavia was possible, the main players on all sides didn't want it. War-profiteering was in full-effect during those times and many Westerners encouraged the war (indirectly) by picking/arming/speaking on behalf of a "certain" side.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 20, 2011 20:33:42 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? If there was a democratic dissolution with no foreign intervention, the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia would still want to live in Serbia. And the Bosnians and Croatians wouldn't want that. So there would still be a conflict. Except it would've lasted longer and resulted in more deaths. places like Macedonia and Montenegro separated safely because they're majority Orthodox countries so Serbs lived well among them.
However, Milosevic encouraged paranoia among Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. He even said far fetched things such as Croatians were drinking the blood of Serbian babies and were resurrecting Nazism in Croatia. He told Serbs that the Bosnians were attempting to create an Islamic state and introduce Sharia law. Crazy people like Milosevic, Tudman, and Izetbegovic are the cause of the paranoia surrounding these countries, not the west.
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 20:45:53 GMT -5
Are you kidding me what? We said the exact same thing, except you went further by writing two paragraphs.
Western nations did in fact meddle in the affairs of all sides, playing games with each leader. One day Milosevic was the man to bring peace and the next he was public-enemy number one.
You are the Western perspective Naps, and that's cool, but this ain't the thread to be debating about this.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 20, 2011 21:03:48 GMT -5
Alright then, maybe some other time
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Post by uz on Nov 20, 2011 21:06:09 GMT -5
Make a thread if you really want to discuss that topic in specific.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 20, 2011 21:10:08 GMT -5
I don't have time now, but probably later.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 21, 2011 3:39:34 GMT -5
The fact that western gvmts have their noses covered with balkan blood, is an inconvenient truth that you systematically try to avoid. If the West didn't intervene, there would be a giant question mark on the former Yugoslavia. People would kill each other, discriminate, expel populations, and the borders would constantly be changing. The West brought whatever kind of stability we could, which wasn't really that stable, but more stable than if we didn't intervene. Are you insane? If west didn't intervene, it would still be the peaceful MULTICULTURAL country it used to be.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 21, 2011 3:43:42 GMT -5
Uz, the problem with the lil hater here (Napoleon) is that he takes for granted that the dissolution of Yugoslavia *HAD* to happen, like there was some divine power who came down to earth and revealed his divine intentions to mankind. Under this silly prism, in combination with the hilarious anti-serb propaganda he carries in his little head, he reaches completely wrong conclusions. Until he decides to STUDY and LOVE the yugoslavs for what they really are, he is doomed to eternally repeat his old rotten and outdated cliches.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 21, 2011 3:52:20 GMT -5
However, Milosevic encouraged paranoia among Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. He even said far fetched things such as Croatians were drinking the blood of Serbian babies and were resurrecting Nazism in Croatia. He told Serbs that the Bosnians were attempting to create an Islamic state and introduce Sharia law. Crazy people like Milosevic, Tudman, and Izetbegovic are the cause of the paranoia surrounding these countries, not the west. What Milosevic said was right, because INDEED Croat Nazis drunk the blood of Serb babies (the did the worse atrocities in WWII and 1991-1995, but of course always under german/western/vatican blessings, they even had a special glove-tool to cut the throats of the serbs), and INDEED the muslim leadership was trying to create an extremist islamic country in the heart of europe. Your tactics remind of the this sl ut priso, who would write pages and pages against Serbs, and the add a little half line in the end "but croats were the same more or less"!!! This technique is proven to be completely ridiculous, especially when addressing adults, especially since THE MAIN INITIATORS OF THE CONFLICT WERE THE WESTERN LED NAZIS-MUDJAHEDINS.... Did you get that right?? OK?? Now repeat it until you learn it by heart.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 21, 2011 4:00:35 GMT -5
What Milosevic said was right, because INDEED Croat Nazis drunk the blood of Serb babies wow, just wow
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 21, 2011 4:18:07 GMT -5
^He's almost as delusional Novus Dis.
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