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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 17, 2011 21:42:42 GMT -5
^ Thankyou Krivo for the kind words. Derk is a little scumbag who lives day by day Derking in front of the computer screen.....l bet Krivo his Derking room stinks and is sticky from all that Derking.
PS How many toilet rolls does he go through a day by Derking in front of a computer screen?
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Post by ulf on Nov 17, 2011 21:50:14 GMT -5
Most Slavic Macedonians I know don't wish to be connected with Ancient Macedonians(however those people are from highly Slavic places such as Ohrid, not some Slavicized towns such as Skoplje or Bitolj), but because of brainwashing propaganda many young "chentovists" actually think they got something to do with old Balkan population, which again probably true if they are Slavcized natives or other minorities of Balkan from such places like Skoplje or Bitolj.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 17, 2011 22:25:13 GMT -5
novi is a successful architect with a gorgeous wife, living in one of the top economies in the world (australia), and with a strong connections to his ancestral country, in other words the kind of man you wish you could be, derk. Successful architect? As in he makes a lot of money, or he designs large and famous buildings?
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Post by Sokol on Nov 17, 2011 23:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 0:38:38 GMT -5
"Successful architect? As in he makes a lot of money, or he designs large and famous buildings?"
Check out some buildings i've been involved:
- Olsen Hotel - The Bank - The metropol
PS I'm a Structural Engineer, my time here is purely just a hobby, l'm not a Derker who sits infront of a computer screen all day sprinkling my juices onto it.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 0:57:37 GMT -5
kindda redundant I'd say, makes it loose "punch". probably should have kept quite until you had something better to say.. think about that before your next post.
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Post by ivo on Nov 18, 2011 0:58:27 GMT -5
Chentovist, the history of the land is one thing.. the history of the people is a whole different story.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 1:33:22 GMT -5
"kindda redundant I'd say, makes it loose "punch". probably should have kept quite until you had something better to say.. think about that before your next post."
Talking about yourself are we Ivo?
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 18, 2011 1:45:40 GMT -5
Check out some buildings i've been involved: - Olsen Hotel - The Bank - The metropol PS I'm a Structural Engineer, my time here is purely just a hobby, l'm not a Derker who sits infront of a computer screen all day sprinkling my juices onto it. I think it's easier for you to just post the pictures of the buildings you designed, I don't which one is yours when I search those names.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 1:52:37 GMT -5
"Pazar himself is an Australian, who doesn't speak Serbian, and the few Serbian words he knows he pronounces as a Bulgarian would."
Pazar knows what his talking about un-like the BuLgari who purely and ONLY rely on Verkovich's fantasy tales, whom he even admited later on. Rakovski and Venelin are two deluded individuals of your proportions, if you go one grade below these idiotic retarded souls, it would equate to Derkling.
"Historically the Torlaks have identified with the Bulgarian identity more so than they have with the Serbian one, and their language has been identified as a Bulgarian dialect.. the grammar is different from Serbian, but nearly identical to Bulgarian/Macedonian."
Are you currently taking cocaine right now Ivo, it seems its doing its job very well. Once you snap out of your high spell you, will come to reality of DECLENSIONAL SYSTEMS that are present in Torlakian/Shopski dialects, TOTALLY ABSENT FROM A HYBRID TURKO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE KNOWN AS BULGARSKI, damn even old church Serbian has declensional systems which unfortunately your hybrid language lost, tough luck convincing EDUCATED PEOPLE!
"What I've heard from some Serbs, is that they look down on Torlaks.. I've heard the same views being expressed about Bulgarians from the Western Outlands."
99.9% of Serbs ,except for me, are un-educated on the subject, hence why they are EASY prey once BuLgarski propaganda is unleashed. 99.9% of Serbs don't even know what Torlakian dialect is, nor they don't even know that many toponyms from Western Bugarska are Serbian derived, nor do they know that once the western bugari had slavas, but most of all they do not know that due to the Serbian population from western bugarska the Ottoman authorities ASSIGNED western bugarska to the patriachate of Pech in the 15/16th centuries, DAMN why would king MILUTIN BURY HIMSELF IN ALIEN TURKO LAND?
"This is most probably the reason why Pazar hates on Bulgaria and Bulgarians. I think he's trying to prove himself as a pure ethnic Serb, but then again, he seems to be more of an Australian.. who knows."
I dislike false information that was spewed from 1872 onwards, understand?
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 3:45:47 GMT -5
why would king MILUTIN BURY HIMSELF IN ALIEN TURKO LAND? So Milutin burried himself after he was dead? ? DAMN YOU ARE STUPID. No, no, no you define stupidity. In an encyclopedia when you search "stupidity" there MUST be a picture in the article so that people can see THE stupidity. Also they MUST include such precious quotes!
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 3:51:36 GMT -5
Are you currently taking cocaine right now Ivo Ivo is quite fine. Actually its you who suffers from BIG AMNESIA!!! Derk, unfortunately some things CAN NOT BE HIDDEN and will always cause selfhate to the imbecile. Look what his forefathers thought about their language: The first known literary monument, influenced by Torlakian dialects is the Manuscript from Temska Monastery from 1762, in which its author, the Monk Kiril Zhivkovich from Pirot, considered his language as: [glow=red,2,300] "simple Bulgarian".[/glow] Imbecile. Derk, Novi is indeed the definition of stupidity and stupid teories because: Novis MAIN TEORY is that Torlakia, Macedonia and Western Bulgaria were populated by Serbs before the Bulgarian Exarchate and it was the exarchate that turned the "serbs" into "bulgarians" (it was operational for 30 years). Unfortunately the above Manuscript from Temska Monastery was written 1 CENTURY AND 10 YEARS BEFORE the creation of the Exarchate!!! Also one of the biggest Bulgarian patriots Paissi Hilendarski was from MACEDONIA and ALSO WROTE his famous patriotic work "HISTORY OF SLAVOBULGARIANS" ONE CENTURY BEFORE THE EXARCHATE!!!!!!!! The imbecile will not comment how centuries before the exarchate Torlakians and Macedonians had clear Bulgarian selfconsciousness.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 18, 2011 5:25:20 GMT -5
Zivkovic again lol
Ej jo Jovane, samo reci mi, dali ovaj ime Zivkovica bilo "Живкович" ili "Живковоћ" ?
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 7:15:59 GMT -5
I cant read "Живкович" and "Живковоћ". However Pyrro it doesnt matter that the man had an -ic ending in his name. He obviouslly had a very clear idea what he was and what his language was too. Lots of people have proven countless times that -ic is not Serbian exclusive, I wont go there again.
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Post by ulf on Nov 18, 2011 12:06:04 GMT -5
Chentovist, the history of the land is one thing.. the history of the people is a whole different story. Exactly what I am telling him. Ohrid nowadays is very Slavic city and through the history its been noted by Byzantines and some Western travelers that most Byzantines(and so natives as well) left this place upon it fell under Slavic reign
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Post by ulf on Nov 18, 2011 12:07:25 GMT -5
Not to mention that name of the city Ohrid is purely Slavic, while Skoplje is just Slavicized Latin name; the same goes for Bitolj
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 12:44:53 GMT -5
Chentovist, the history of the land is one thing.. the history of the people is a whole different story. Exactly what I am telling him. Ohrid nowadays is very Slavic city and through the history its been noted by Byzantines and some Western travelers that most Byzantines(and so natives as well) left this place upon it fell under Slavic reign The Slavs had no connections to the area, and Im not one to believe the slavic character of the area happened willingly. By the time the Avars / Slavs reached the balkans the natives of Macedonia were hardly something of the Macedonians of Antiquity. Chento is forgetting Rome and other factors that have seriously altered the demographic character in the region. And even if we are to believe that nothing happened all of this time, he would just have to accept that he has Greek blood in him. Best case scenario. Its like me going to someone's house, beating the crap out them, displacing them, and then taking on their identity and saying: "hey, its all good, everybody intermingles with each other. Im really just an extended part of the guy's family" There never was a Macedonian of an ethnic character. Up until the 20th century it has always been used as a geographic reference that ended up taking an ethnic meaning only of late. Its their right to feel this way, but that doesnt mean I have to buy their story...
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Post by terroreign on Nov 18, 2011 13:34:35 GMT -5
i think you and ulf are saying the same thing, just in different ways.
FYROM is majorly slavic in it's western parts, and aromanian/bulgaro-turk in it's eastern....barely a greek presence and the convenient term 'macedonian' is just an umbrella term for any living person in the vicinity.
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Post by ioan on Nov 18, 2011 13:41:02 GMT -5
The Slavs had no connections to the area, and Im not one to believe the slavic character of the area happened willingly. By the time the Avars / Slavs reached the balkans the natives of Macedonia were hardly something of the Macedonians of Antiquity. Chento is forgetting Rome and other factors that have seriously altered the demographic character in the region. And even if we are to believe that nothing happened all of this time, he would just have to accept that he has Greek blood in him. Best case scenario. Its like me going to someone's house, beating the crap out them, displacing them, and then taking on their identity and saying: "hey, its all good, everybody intermingles with each other. Im really just an extended part of the guy's family" There never was a Macedonian of an ethnic character. Up until the 20th century it has always been used as a geographic reference that ended up taking an ethnic meaning only of late. Its their right to feel this way, but that doesnt mean I have to buy their story... Chalke, even if Chento is right and indeed the people from the Balkans accepted the slavs with open arms (I dont believe in the depopulation teory) that still doesnt make the presentday Macedonians descedants of the ancient Macedonians. As I ve said many times the territory where the Macedonians now live was Peonia, populated by Peonians, in other words Thracians... The ancient Macedonians lived in southern Macedonia and those territories were Greek populated even in 19 century. So if Chento is right, the Macedonians are mixed people: composite of Slavs, Thracians and Bulgars (of Kuber). In other words the main ethnicities that mixed to form the Bulgarians also mixed in the Republic in Macedonia. Actually we were one people till 50 years ago.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 13:43:52 GMT -5
i think you and ulf are saying the same thing, just in different ways. FYROM is majorly slavic in it's western parts, and aromanian/bulgaro-turk in it's eastern....barely a greek presence and the convenient term 'macedonian' is just an umbrella term for any living person in the vicinity. THE ALBANIANS MAKE [glow=red,2,300] A VERY BUT A REALLY VERY BIG[/glow] PART OF THIS COUNTRIES POPULATION GET THAT THRU YOUR BRAINWASHED BRAIN
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