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Post by terroreign on Nov 18, 2011 13:51:35 GMT -5
i think you and ulf are saying the same thing, just in different ways. FYROM is majorly slavic in it's western parts, and aromanian/bulgaro-turk in it's eastern....barely a greek presence and the convenient term 'macedonian' is just an umbrella term for any living person in the vicinity. THE ALBANIANS MAKE [glow=red,2,300] A VERY BUT A REALLY VERY BIG[/glow] PART OF THIS COUNTRIES POPULATION GET THAT THRU YOUR BRAINWASHED BRAIN a very? very what? does this albanimal have dyslexia or something? we need help in here lol
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 14:18:54 GMT -5
THE ALBANIANS MAKE [glow=red,2,300] A VERY BUT A REALLY VERY BIG[/glow] PART OF THIS COUNTRIES POPULATION GET THAT THRU YOUR BRAINWASHED BRAIN a very? very what? does this albanimal have dyslexia or something? we need help in here lol can't you fool read?
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 14:52:27 GMT -5
i think you and ulf are saying the same thing, just in different ways. FYROM is majorly slavic in it's western parts, and aromanian/bulgaro-turk in it's eastern....barely a greek presence and the convenient term 'macedonian' is just an umbrella term for any living person in the vicinity. THE ALBANIANS MAKE [glow=red,2,300] A VERY BUT A REALLY VERY BIG[/glow] PART OF THIS COUNTRIES POPULATION GET THAT THRU YOUR BRAINWASHED BRAIN Aside from Fyrom. The only Albanians in Macedonia that I know of were in Flambouro. But from what I understand they made their way there around the 1800's.
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Post by terroreign on Nov 18, 2011 14:55:55 GMT -5
THE ALBANIANS MAKE [glow=red,2,300] A VERY BUT A REALLY VERY BIG[/glow] PART OF THIS COUNTRIES POPULATION GET THAT THRU YOUR BRAINWASHED BRAIN Aside from Fyrom. The only Albanians in Macedonia that I know of were in Flambouro. But from what I understand they made their way there around the 1800's. yeah, i didn't really mention the albanians because like the case in kosovo, they're relatively recent settlers, ottoman rejects, if you will.
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 14:57:41 GMT -5
Chalke, even if Chento is right and indeed the people from the Balkans accepted the slavs with open arms (I dont believe in the depopulation teory) that still doesnt make the presentday Macedonians descedants of the ancient Macedonians. As I ve said many times the territory where the Macedonians now live was Peonia, populated by Peonians, in other words Thracians... The ancient Macedonians lived in southern Macedonia and those territories were Greek populated even in 19 century.Agreed Ioan, I dont think they will come around understanding this anytime soon.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 14:59:24 GMT -5
Aside from Fyrom. The only Albanians in Macedonia that I know of were in Flambouro. But from what I understand they made their way there around the 1800's. yeah, i didn't really mention the albanians because like the case in kosovo, they're relatively recent settlers, ottoman rejects, if you will. we were always in macedonia,not like the slavs
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 15:04:29 GMT -5
ok, but not the numbers were not that big. Northern Epirus ok, but Macedonia I dont think so.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 15:08:15 GMT -5
ok, but not the numbers were not that big. Northern Epirus ok, but Macedonia I dont think so. bro the albanians were the originally inhabitants of western macedonia and this is a fact
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 15:12:16 GMT -5
sure, im not going to split hairs here. There is a fine line in where you define Western Macedonia vs Epirus. I went to Konitsa and that is real close to both those regions. Beautiful area none the less.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 15:15:25 GMT -5
sure, im not going to split hairs here. There is a fine line in where you define Western Macedonia vs Epirus. I went to Konitsa and that is real close to both those regions. Beautiful area none the less. all of balkans is beautiful but shameful that a bunch retards inhabit it bcs if the habitants were germanic people i think the balkans would be much better
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Post by chalkedon on Nov 18, 2011 15:20:23 GMT -5
It was the islamic factor that really screwed it up. The Turks managed to divide the people in the Balkans along religous lines which to be honest didnt help relations between us. Germany is a real bad example. You should ask Polish people how they were pinned up against them and Russia. The Balkans get a bad name, but its only because we are still nationalistic in comparison to our northern European counterparts. We have too much damn pride.
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Post by punisher on Nov 18, 2011 15:28:14 GMT -5
It was the islamic factor that really screwed it up. The Turks managed to divide the people in the Balkans along religous lines which to be honest didnt help relations between us. Germany is a real bad example. You should ask Polish people how they were pinned up against them and Russia. The Balkans get a bad name, but its only because we are still nationalistic in comparison to our northern European counterparts. We have too much damn pride. there are many explanations like the balkan wars who either didn't improve our relations with eachother.but the most important thing in the balkan is that we need to be more tolerant and i think on this matter we can learn alot from our northern brothers
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 16:35:16 GMT -5
"simple Bulgarian".
Wah, there is no such thing as simple BuLgarski, Torlakian/Shopski dialects can be considered as simple Serbian. Torlakian/Shop dialects are TOO COMPLEX to be BuLgarski, they still retain MOST of the complex Serbian DECLENSIONAL SYSTEM. BuLgarski Ezik doesn't have a declensional system at all. I will forgive this monk since he was void of knowledge, but l will call you a retarded individual for believing this ERROR when the whole Bulgarian propaganda was solved years ago.
PS When l say Bulgarian propaganda was solved l mean errors and lies from yester-year corrected:
Old Church Bulgarian was corrected to the *neutral* OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC LANGUAGE. In my opinion it should be called OLD CHURCH SERBIAN.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 16:49:16 GMT -5
Ioan, l can revert to Bulgarian and Albanian methods of simplistic word comparisons from ancient to modern *evolved* forms.
If l were to do this, then it would be safe to say that 30% of Bulgarska and 50% of Vardar is Serbian, just by basing on comparing modern serbian to other dialects or ancient dialects like OLD CHURCH SLAVONIC, so lets have a look at cave man words like l, he/she/they for example:
Serbian (standard) l = Ja he = On She = Ona they = Oni
Torlakian/Shop (Eastern and Norther Vardarian dialects as well)
l = Ja he = On she = Ona they = Oni
BuLgarski
l = Az he = Toj she = Tya they = To-e
Can the readers see a huge difference between these serbian languages and BuLgarski? So who is the stupid?
PS I don't use just LANGUAGE as a method to determine who is who I ALSO USED MIGRATION/HISTORY and CULTURE, understand moron!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 17:46:20 GMT -5
"Paissi Hilendarski" Hey, don't bring the Serbian Hilandar monastery into this. Paisy was INSPIRED BY SERBS. PS Readers, the Bu Lgari do even claim this Serbian monastry as their own Vardarians in the ancient times would ONLY visit Serbian monastry, NEVER BuLgarski, like the Zoograf etc....
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Post by ulf on Nov 18, 2011 18:27:25 GMT -5
Novi Pazar, I'd just like to add that in ancient Slavic "az" meant "I", so obviously Bulgarians kept this form, while Serbian and Torlakian evolved into the direction where they are now.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 18, 2011 19:22:06 GMT -5
^ Ulf, l have been telling these brainless souls that ALL of our languages EVOLVED from a proto slavic source, but Bulgarians won't tell you this because their rhetoric has an underlying expansionism agenda, so if they want to play this, l can too.
PS Ulf, remember that l have been advocating evolution for a long time now, same with historians, hence they now term the incorrect Old Church Bulgarian as Old Church Slavonic.
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Post by ioan on Nov 19, 2011 3:24:44 GMT -5
Wow what a bulshits from Novi!!! You imbecile may think whatever you want for the Monk Kiril Zhivkovich from Pirot, but 100 years before any Exarchate, in a time when Serbs and Bulgarians both existed, he had a clear SELFIDENTIFICATION as a Bulgarian and Novi you can not HIDE that. You may think its stupidity that the Torlaks saw themselves as Bulgarians BUT thats your personal oppinion that has nothing to do with facts like the selfidentifications of Torlaks as Bulgarian. The same thing can be said about your oppinion on OCS. You may FEEL or THINK its not Old Bulgarian, but according to all linguists it is and it has nothing to do with Old Serbian.
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Post by ivo on Nov 19, 2011 9:57:25 GMT -5
Ahhh Pazar, I pity you.
Bulgarian:
l = Az or Ya (rarely used) he = Toi (also 'On-ya') she = Tya (also 'Ona-ya') they = Te (also 'Oni-ya')
Toi, Tya, Te is used in writing. Toi/Tya/Te AND On-ya/Ona-ya/Oni-ya are used in the colloquial..
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Post by ulf on Nov 19, 2011 15:29:15 GMT -5
You got both "ya" and "az"?
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