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Post by toskaliku8711 on Nov 11, 2011 20:19:22 GMT -5
A recent article published in the recent Foreign Affairs magazine. A worthwhile read. I always knew Russia was in bad shape but the picture painted by Eberstadt is devastating. The country is undergoing a crisis that is unique among the western nations: It has lost over 6 million people in the last two decades (the only people with a rising birth rate are the Chechens while native Russians are on the lower end of the scale, losing lives at an uncontrollable speed); derelict health care system; it has a devastated education system with almost no brain power (Russian patents are pathetically low); vast portions of its eastern regions are way under-populated and Russia fears losing these territories in the next generation without replenishment; the Russian military is still reliant on antiquated Soviet technology (its military is also threatened by a loss of human capitol); a massive social crisis is going on deep inside the country (who rate of child abandonment and skyrocketing rise of homeless kids); Russian industries are way below par with the rest. Overall, the picture painted is quite brutal. If Russia will answer for these issues, it will need to reshape its entire focus on internal politics and reform in the next several decades. They are suffering from a crisis that few know the real causes of for sure and even less know how to even remotely deal with it. "The Dying Bear" www.aei.org/docLib/Eberstadt-The-Dying-Bear.pdfSo much for Serbian hopes in that department....
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 11, 2011 20:44:22 GMT -5
Good read, didn't know it was that bad.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Nov 11, 2011 21:01:15 GMT -5
Russia (and to a great extent China) have yet to recover from its devastating Soviet decades. If only they had a decent leader instead of just another megalomaniac czar
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Nov 11, 2011 21:02:27 GMT -5
Btw these topics have been covered countless times so no one can brush this as simply the work of just another conservative American think tank.
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Post by Anittas on Nov 11, 2011 22:29:50 GMT -5
I read the article. It was a good read. It should be noted that Russia is making some progress and is trying to revert the trend. Here is Putin's latest reaction to the "crisis": www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/12/putin-russia-lost-trustAs for making military progress, I read about a week ago that Russia was implementing new upgrates to its nuclear warheads that could do wonders. It was technical and I'm bad at explaining technical things. What one must understand, though, is the following phrase which ends the article posted by Melty: That is the reality of things. To hope that Russia's increase in power will lead to strengthen Serbia's position in Kosovo is as naive as hoping that Russia's deminishing power will help the Albanian situation. Kosovarës should be more concerned with their progress rather than pinpointing to the faults of others.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Nov 12, 2011 0:28:22 GMT -5
Russia (and to a great extent China) have yet to recover from its devastating Soviet decades. If only they had a decent leader instead of just another megalomaniac czar China has recovered, and will likely expand. And as the jewish favorites, they likely have been offered parts of Siberia.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 12, 2011 2:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 12, 2011 3:11:30 GMT -5
Calm down. I'm pretty sure that "asian specialist" knows more about Russia than you do.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 12, 2011 3:43:31 GMT -5
Calm down. I'm pretty sure that "asian specialist" knows more about Russia than you do. And Novus knows a hell more about Russia than you do.... And about Yugoslavia, and about anything you try to touch. But that does not prevent you from STFU. Anyway guys, here is the substance of the thing. Slavs *ARE* underestimated by any means. My (till recently heavily western-sponsored) Greek dad used to earn 10 (ten) times more than my Serb-Bosnian dad in law. Regarding qualifications, skills, brains, attitude, culture, ability, strength, intelligence, my BosnianSerb dad has about 10 times the power of my dad. That means that my BosnianSerb dad is 100 times underestimated in comparison to my dad. The numbers regarding slavic ppls are *ALL* artificial and have no meaning at all. That is the reason why on *paper* (paper my ass) Russian is *SO* much weaker than USA, in reality USA cannot go to direct confrontation with Russia and steal their wealth. (and i guess they would like to do this pretty much....)
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 12, 2011 4:04:51 GMT -5
^ The USA Pyrro is the largest Debtor nation in the world, while Russia is practically opposite. Russia just has been admitted to the WTO and European nations are seeking FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE from her like Ireland for instance. Russia's population decline lately has been slowing down, drastically, while the BS above analyses over a long period that could be seen abit misleading, typical from Germanic scums. However Germany is NOW getting fed by Nord Stream. Russia geopolitically can deliever her GAS to ASIA, why in the hell is USA interfering in central asia? is the USA a little paranoid?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 12, 2011 4:15:24 GMT -5
who knows brate, at some point all this is crazy for the average man. Maybe God should take over it. We simply wanna live and die in piece.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 12, 2011 4:25:08 GMT -5
And Novus knows a hell more about Russia than you do.... And about Yugoslavia, and about anything you try to touch. But that does not prevent you from STFU. Like that has anything to do with what I was saying. Anyway guys, here is the substance of the thing. Slavs *ARE* underestimated by any means. My (till recently heavily western-sponsored) Greek dad used to earn 10 (ten) times more than my Serb-Bosnian dad in law. Regarding qualifications, skills, brains, attitude, culture, ability, strength, intelligence, my BosnianSerb dad has about 10 times the power of my dad. That means that my BosnianSerb dad is 100 times underestimated in comparison to my dad. The numbers regarding slavic ppls are *ALL* artificial and have no meaning at all. That's a touching story and all, but I don't care about the "slav mentality". That is the reason why on *paper* (paper my ass) Russian is *SO* much weaker than USA, in reality USA cannot go to direct confrontation with Russia and steal their wealth. (and i guess they would like to do this pretty much....) You're dreaming. America's industrial capabilities can take on Russia. I'm not saying they should battle it out, and America will completely destroy them. They're both very powerful nations, but America is more of a superpower than Russia. In America's history, there has only been a civil war (once) on it's soil. At the same time Russia was having revolutions, uprisings, mass state-sponsored murders. Russia joined the Soviet Union and then dissolved 70 years later. While America was prospering. America's power and influence will end eventually, but not anytime soon.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 12, 2011 4:37:17 GMT -5
You say you don't care about Slavs, yet you spend your pathetic life here dealing with Slavic matters. You are a troll.
I cannot see where exactly i was dreaming above you looney. I was just stating that by "normal" western perception it would be a piece of cake for USA+West to take on Russia. Yet all we see is only whining and nothing more.
And i have numbers/data which can easily prove that the value of the slavs are at leas 2 orders of magnitude larger than "advertised" by the west.
I guess i was explicit enough, i can't see why the funk you fail so miserably to understand.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 12, 2011 4:46:10 GMT -5
1. I said I was a Yugophile. Where did you get the idea that I don't care about Slavs? Making up stuff, again Pyrros? ;D
2. Some Slavic people do better than Westerners, like Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbs, Croats. But all that is dependent on the individual, not a collective thing. Not all Slavs behave and think in the same way. They're not all smart, nor all stupid. However, because if the competitiveness of the west, our best and brightest go on to do great things. Whereas in most Slavic countries, it's not the same situation. Did you read the report? Education in Russia is as good as in some other Western and non-Western countries. So, even though more people get a post-secondary education, they're intelligence and qualification are up to par with those from other nations.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 12, 2011 5:07:50 GMT -5
yugo-phile = some one who *LOVES* south slavs. So if you are a yugo-phile you also care about Slavs. Mathematically you are once again wrong. I am so bored with you i didn't read past your first line. You and Derk are trolls.
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Post by atdhetar on Nov 12, 2011 5:11:29 GMT -5
a greek of albanian ancestry telling off slavs for not being slav enough.....only in the balcans.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 12, 2011 5:20:54 GMT -5
yugo-phile = some one who *LOVES* south slavs. So if you are a yugo-phile you also care about Slavs. Mathematically you are once again wrong. I am so bored with you i didn't read past your first line. You and Derk are trolls. Pyrros, for your sake I hope you're bad at English. I'm a Yugophile. That means I'm interested in the culture and history of the south slavs. What it doesn't mean is that I don't have to support all Slavic countries and hate their "enemies". I can favour whatever country I like. I don't have to ignore certain information just to prove the country I support is right. All I'm saying is Russia isn't doing so well, and neither is America. However, America will recover like it always does, whereas Russia's unstable history shows us Russia will continue to have problems within it's borders. Pyrros, I don't know how you can call ANYONE a troll, when all you do is provoke other members of this forum with your personal insults, and hardly ever discuss a topic without resorting to name-calling and "cheap-shots". I sincerely hope you grow up a little and act more mature and behaved.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Nov 12, 2011 7:51:25 GMT -5
Idiot Nap, its like saying that you want to study red apples, but do not give a fuck about apples in general. You are idiot. I hope you understand your idiocy. And no idiot, english is not my first (or second or third) language.
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Post by Moe Lester on Nov 12, 2011 7:58:34 GMT -5
Idiot Nap, its like saying that you want to study red apples, but do not give a f**k about apples in general. You are idiot. I hope you understand your idiocy. And no idiot, english is not my first (or second or third) language. Seriously? You're still trying to provoke other members of the forum, but still claim I and others are trolls? Anyway, what you don't understand is being a yugophile doesn't mean I have to support the politics of slavic nations, nor do I feel obliged to defend or support a slavic nation in reference to politics or a political matter. As a yugophile, all I have to do is show an interest in Yugoslav culture and history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 8:31:46 GMT -5
yugo-phile = some one who *LOVES* south slavs. So if you are a yugo-phile you also care about Slavs. Mathematically you are once again wrong. I am so bored with you i didn't read past your first line. You and Derk are trolls. Pyrros, for your sake I hope you're bad at English. I'm a Yugophile. That means I'm interested in the culture and history of the south slavs. What it doesn't mean is that I don't have to support all Slavic countries and hate their "enemies". I can favour whatever country I like. I don't have to ignore certain information just to prove the country I support is right. All I'm saying is Russia isn't doing so well, and neither is America. However, America will recover like it always does, whereas Russia's unstable history shows us Russia will continue to have problems within it's borders. Pyrros, I don't know how you can call ANYONE a troll, when all you do is provoke other members of this forum with your personal insults, and hardly ever discuss a topic without resorting to name-calling and "cheap-shots". I sincerely hope you grow up a little and act more mature and behaved. Mr. Pyrros really likes you.
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