Sokol
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Post by Sokol on Nov 29, 2011 0:31:56 GMT -5
yes, and i'm sure the serbs would say bulgars separated the macedonians from the serbian ethnos, hence the endless arguments... Goze Delechev: We, the Bulgarians of Macedonia and Adrianople, must not lose sight of the fact that there are other nationalities and states who are vitally interested in the solution of this questions... Its claer what your (and our) national hero meant. The Macedonians never identified as nor were identified by outsiders as Serbs. Some small Serbian minority existed in the northwest and thats it. The Serbs have no right to claim the history of Macedonia as the Bulgarians have. Even the Macedonians themselves DO NOT CLAIM as "Macedonian" the Serbs like Marko Kralevich or Dushan. On the other hand the Macedonians claim all the Bulgarians from the region of Macedonia as "Macedonian" - examples: Samuel, Kliment, Goze Delechev etc... Ioan - Goce would consider you a good Bulgarian, because you support the interests of Bulgaria. I would hope that he would consider me a good Macedonian, as I support the interests of Macedonia. Below is the May Manifesto, signed by the leadership of VMRO of the time and addressed to the Macedonian people and the Macedonian revolutionaries: mk.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82Funny, it doesn't mention any 'Macedonian Bulgarians'...
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2011 1:01:39 GMT -5
No, Goze would consider you good Macedonian Bulgarian as you support the interest of the geographic region of Macedonia. The May Manifesto is not signed by Goze. It was for "Macedonians", because at the time Macedonia was under Serbian rule and the killed and raped and inprisoned all people that identified as Bulgarians (pretty much all people in the region of Macedonia). At those times the socialist ideas were already popular and Stalins idea for Bulgarians was harsh: he wanted to create not only Macedonians, but Thracians and Moesians. He suceeded only with the Macedonians. But even if I read this manifest I see a confusion and not clear identification as Macedonian as an ethnicity... Rather they see it as a regional identity that has to be held in higher regard than their nationality. Its so obvious by their oppinion on Bulgaria:
Äî ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä, äî îðãàíèçèðàíîòî ðåâîëóöèîíåðíî íàñåëåíèå âî Ìàêåäîíè¼à è äî ìàêåäîíñêèòå ðåâîëóöèîíåðè Áðàà Ìàêåäîíöè! Ìàêåäîíè¼à, âî ñâîèòå ïðèðîäíè ãåîãðàôñêè ãðàíèöè ìåƒó ðåêàòà Ìåñòà, ïëàíèíèòå Ðîäîïè, Ðèëà è Øàð, ðåêàòà Äðèì, Îõðèäñêîòî Åçåðî, ïëàíèíàòà Ãðàìîñ, ðåêàòà Áèñòðèöà è Åãå¼ñêîòî Ìîðå, ñî åäíî ïðîñòðàíñòâî îä 65.000 êâ. êèëîìåòðà, ïðåñå÷åíà îä ðåêèòå Ìåñòà, Ñòðóìà, Âàðäàð, Äðèì, Áèñòðèöà è íàäàðåíà ñî íà¼ðàçíîîáðàçíè ïðèðîäíè áîãàòñòâà è áëàãîïðè¼àòíè êëèìàòñêè óñëîâè; ñî ñâîåòî 2.302.000 íàñåëåíèå, ðîçíîîáðîçíî ïî ñâî¼îò åòíîãðàôñêè ñîñòàâ, ñî ñâî¼àòà öåíòðàëíà åêîíîìñêà è ñòðàòåãèñêà ïîëîæáà íà Áàëêàíèòå, ìåƒó áàñåíèòå íà ðåêàòà Äóíàâ, Åãå¼ñêîòî è £àäðàíñêîòî Ìîðå - ãè èìà ñèòå óñëîâè è ïðàâà çà ñàìîñòî¼íî ïàëèòè÷êî ïîñòîåœå, êàêî íåçàâèñíà äðæàâà øòî ñå óïðàâóâà ñàìîñòî¼íî, êî¼à å ïîñëóæè êàêî îáåäèíóâà÷êà, ïîëèòê÷êà è åêîíîìñêà àëêà ìåƒó íàðîäèòå è äðæàâèòå íà Áàëêàíñêîòî Ïîëóîñòðîâî.
Âåêîâíèòå áîðáè íà ìàêåäîíñêîòî íàñåëåíèå ïðîòèâ ãîñïîäñòâîòî íàä íåãîâàòà òåðèòîðè¼à îä ñòðàíà íà åäíî ïëåìå è òèðàíè¼àòà ñïðîâåäóâàíà ñïðåìà äðóãèòå ïëåìèœà øòî ¼à íàñåëóâààò Ìàêåäàíè¼à; îòïîðîò øòî ãî ïîêàæà òîà ñïðåìà äåíàöèîíàëèçàòîðñêàòà ïîëèòèêà íà äðæàâèòå øòî ¼à âëàäååëå Ìàêåäîíè¼à èëè ãðàíè÷èëå ñî íåà; ó÷åñòâîòî íà ìàêåäîíñêîòî íàñåëåíèå âî ñèòå âîñòàíè¼à è ðåâîëóöèîíåðíè äâèæåœà; ñîäå¼ñòâîòî øòî áåñïðåêèäíî, âî ñèòå âî¼íè íà Áàëêàíèòå, èì ãî äàâàøå íà çåì¼èòå øòî ñå ¼àâóâàà äà ñå áîðàò âî èìåòà íà îñëîáàäóâàœåòî è ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœåòî íà áàëêàíñêèòå íàðîäè, - å íà¼î÷èãëåäíèîò äîêàç çà ïðàâàòà è ñâåñòà íà ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä äà áèäå åäíà ñàìîñòî¼íà ïîëèòè÷êà åäèíèöà íà Áàëêàíèòå.
Òðãíóâà¼è è îïèðà¼è ñå íà òàà ñâåñò, Âíàòðåøíàòà ìàêåäîíñêà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà îðãàíèçàöè¼à, ÂÌÐÎ, âî òåêîò íà öåëè äåñåò ëåòè¼à, âîäè íà¼ðåøèòåëíà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà çà îñëîáîäóâàœåòî íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à. Òàà áîðáà, âî çîâèñíîñò îä ñîîäíîñîò íà ôàêòîðèòå âî ìåƒóíàðîäíàòà è áàëêàíñêàòà ïîëèòèêà è åòíîãðàôñêèîò ñîñòàâ âî îðãàíèçàöè¼àòà øòî ïðåîâëàäóâà, ïîñòàâóâàøå ðàçëè÷íè òàêòè÷êè çàäà÷è è ñå ïîëçóâàøå ñî ðàçëè÷íè ñðåäñòâà.
Äîëãî âðåìå ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä, âåðóâà¼è âî îñëîáîäèòåëíèòå ñòðåìåæè íà âåëèêèòå åâðîïñêè ñèëè è ìàëíòå áàëêàíñêè äðæàâè ñïðåìà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, ãè áåøå íàñî÷èë ñâîèòå ïîãëåäè êîí íèâ è ãî î÷åêóâàøå ñâîåòî îñëîáîäóâàœå ïðåêó íèâíà èíòåðâåíöè¼à. Ñîîáðàçíî ñî òîà, ÂÌÐÎ ¼à áåøå íàñî÷èëà öåëàòà ñâî¼à äå¼íîñò äà ãî èçäèãíå ãëàñîò íà ñòðàäàëíèîò ìàêåäîíñêè ðîá äî óøèòå íà èäíèòå ñâîè îñëîáîäèòåëè, äà ãî ïðèâëå÷å íèâíîòî âíèìàíèå, äà ãî ïðåäèçâèêà íèâíîòî ìåøàœå, äà ãî èñïîëçóâà íàòïðåâàðóâàœåòî íà íèâíàòà ïàëèòèêà è ïî òî¼ íà÷èí äà ¼à èñòðãíå ñëîáîäàòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à. Ïðèìåðîò ñî ñîçäàâàœåòî íà ñëîáîäíà Ñðáè¼à, Ãðöè¼à, Öðíà Ãîðà è Áóãàðè¼à áåøå ïðèâëå÷åí è îõðàáðóâà÷êè. Ñîîáðàçíî ñî òàà òàêòè÷êà çàäà÷à íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà áåà è íå¼çèíèòå ñðåäñòâà, âî ïðâ ðåä åäèíè÷íèòå è äåëóìíèòå óäàðè, áèëî ïðîòèâ âëàäåòåëñêàòà âëàñò, áèëî ïðîòèâ òóƒèòå èíòåðåñè âðçàíè ñî Ìàêåäîíè¼à. Äóðè íè Èëèíäåíñêîòî âîñòàíèå, íà¼ãîëåìîòî è íà¼ìàñîâíîòî äâèæåœå, íå ìîæåøå äà ñìåòà äåêà ñàìî å èçâî¼óâà ñëîáîäà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, òóêó èëàøå öåë äà ìó ãî íàëîæè íà îïøòîåâðîïñêîòî ¼àâíî ìèåëåœå è íà ìåƒóíàðîäíàòà äèïëîìàöè¼à ðåçðåøóâàœåòî íà ìàêåäîíñêîòî ïðàøàœå.
Çà åäíà âèñòèíñêà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà àêöè¼à âî ãîëåì ìàñîâåí ìàêåäîíñêè èëè áàëêàíñêè ðàçìåð, êî¼àøòî áè ñìåòàëà ñàìî íà ñåáå çà èçâî¼óâàœåòî íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ñëîáîäà íè çáîð íå ìîæåøå äà ñòàíå.
Ðåçóëòàòèòå îä åâðîïñêàòà èíòåðâåíöè¼à ïî Èëèíäåíñêîòî âîñòàíèå, èçðàçåíè âî ëèöåìåðíèòå ðåôîðìè, íàñî÷åíè ïîâåå äà ãî çàçäðàâàò è çàêðåïíàò òóðñêîòî âëàäååœå íàä Ìàêåäîíè¼à, îòêîëêó äà ¼à ðîäàò íå¼çèíàòà ñëîáîäà ãî ðàçî÷àðàà ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä. Òîà ðàçî÷àðóâàœå ¼à çàñèëè ñòðó¼àòà âî ðåäîâèòå íà ÂÌÐÎ êî¼àøòî, ñìåòà¼è íà îñëîáîäèòåëíàòà ìèñè¼à íà ìëàäèòå áàëêàíñêè äðæàâè, ãè íàñî÷óâàøå ñâîèòå óñèëáè äà ïðåäèçâèêà íèâíà âîåíà èíòåðâåíöè¼à. Áàëêàíñêàòà âî¼íà, êî¼à çàâðøè ñî ïîäåëáà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à âî Áóêóðåøò 1913 ã., à ïî íåà è îïøòîåâðîïñêàòà âî¼íà, ñî íå¼çèíèòå Ïàðèñêè äîãîâîðè êîè ãî ðàñêèíàà æèâîòî òåëî íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è ãî ïîäåëè¼à ìåƒó áàëêàíñêèòå äðæàâè øòî ¼à îêðóæóâàà, äåôèíèòèâíî ¼à óáè¼à âåðàòà íà ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä âî îñëîáîäèòåëíàòà ìèñè¼à íà èíòåðâåíöèîíèñòè÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà ãîëåìèòå åâðîïñêè è ìàëèòå áàëêàíñêè äðæàâè. Áåðëèíñêèîò (1878 ã.), Áóêóðåøêèîò (1913 ã.) è Ïàðèñêèòå ìèðîâíè äîãîâîðè îä 1919 ã. ãî óáåäè¼à è íà¼ïîñëåäíèîò íåâåðåí Òîìà, äåêà êàêî ãîëåìèòå, òàêà è ìàëèòå åâðîïñêè äðæàâè ñïðîâåäóâààò ñâî¼à åãîèñòè÷êà ïîëèòèêà, ïîðàäè øòî ñëîáîäàòà è ïîñòîåœåòî íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à ìîæå äà áèäå ñàìî ìîíåòà çà ïîòêóñóðàâàœå.
Îä òîà ïðîèçëåãóâà äåêà îä òèå äðæàâè, äîäåêà ñå ðàêîâîäåíè îä âëàäè êîè ¼à ïîäðæóâààò çàâî¼óâà÷êàòà è èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà òèå äîãàâîðè, èëè, ñî äðóãè çáîðîâè, äîäåêà ê༠íèâ íå ñå óñòàíîâàò âëàäè øòî å ¼à áàçèðààò ñâî¼àòà íàäâîðåøíà è âíàòðåøíà ïîëèòèêà âðç âèñòèíñêîòî ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœå íà íàðîäèòå, ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä íå ìîæå äà î÷åêóâà íèêàêâà ïîòêðåïà çà ñâî¼àòà ñëîáîäà.
Ïðîöåíóâà¼è ãî îñíîâíî òî¼ èñòîðèñêè îïèò, ÂÌÐÎ äîàƒà äî öâðñòèîò è êîíå÷åí çàêëó÷îê äåêà âî ñâî¼àòà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà çà ñëîáîäàòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, òàà ìîæå äà ñìåòà ñàìî íà êðà¼íî ïðîãðåñèâíî-ðåâîëóöíîíåðíèòå äâèæåœà âî Åâðîïà, êîè ñå áîðàò ïðîòèâ èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà ñâîèòå âëàäè, ïðîòèâ ïîñòî¼íèòå ìèðîâíè äîãîâîðè è çà âèñòèíñêî ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœå íà ñâîèòå è òóƒè íàðîäè.
Åòå çîøòè ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà âî èíòåðåñ íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ñëîáîäà å ¼à äàäå ñåòà ñâî¼à ïîòêðåïà ñàìî íà îíèå øòî íà áàëêàíñêà ïî÷âà ñå áîðàò ïðîòèâ çàâî¼óâà÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà åâðîïñêèîò èìïåðè¼àëèçàì, ñïðîâåäóâàíà áèëî äèðåêòíî áèëî ïðåêó âëàäèòå íà áàëêàíñêèòå äðæàâè.
Íî, âëàäèòå íà áàëêàíñêèòå äðæàâè íå ñå ¼àâóâààò ñàìî êàêî îðóäè¼à íà åâðîïñêèîò èìïåðè¼àëèçàì; òèå ñïðîâåäóâààò è ñâî¼à ñîïñòâåíà íàöèîíàëèñòè÷êà, çàâî¼óàà÷êà ïîëèòèêà. Áëàãîäàðå¼è íà òàà îïøòîåâðîïñêà èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êà è îïøòîáàëêàíñêà íàöèîíàëèñòè÷êà çàâî¼óâà÷êà ïîëèòèêà, Ìàêåäàíè¼à, èñòîøòåíà îä ïåòâåêîâíîòî ðîïñòâî, ðàçóðíàòà îä òðè âî¼íè, äåíåñ îäíîâî å ïîðîáåíà è ðàçäåëåíà ïîìåƒó òðèòå áàëêàêñêè äðæàâè: Ñðáí¼à, Ãðöè¼à è Áóãàðè¼à.
Íèåäíà îä âëàäèòå íà áàëêàíñêèòå äðæàâè íå ìèñëè çà îñëîáîäóâàœåòî è îáåäèíóâàœåòî ïà ðàñêèíàòèòå äåëîâè íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à; íèåäíà îä íèâ íå ìèñëè è íå äå¼ñòâóâà çà ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœåòî íà ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä âî ñàìîñòî¼íà ïîëèòè÷êà åäèíèöà; íèåäíà îä íèâ íå ñàêà íà ïîðîáåíèòå Ìàêåäîíöè äà èì ãè äàäå ïðàâàòà ïðåäâèäåíè âî äîãîâîðèòå êîè èì ãî îñèãóðóâààò êóëòóðíèîò ðàçâèòîê êàêî íàöèîíàëíè ìàëöèíñòâà. Ïîðàäè òîà, ÂÌÐÎ å ïðèíóäåíà äà èç¼àâè äåêà ïîëèòèêàòà íà ñèòå ñåãàøíè áàëêàíñêè âëàäè å íåïðè¼àòåëñêà çà ñëîáîäíîòî è ñàìîñòî¼íî ïàëèòè÷êî ïîñòîåœå íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è äåêà òàà íà¼ðåøèòåëíî è ñî ñèòå ñðåäñòàà íà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíàòà áîðáà å ñå áîðè ïðîòèâ íèâíàòà çàâî¼óâà÷êà ïîëèòèêà ñïðåìà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä.
Çà äà ñå èçáåãíå ñåêàêâî íåäîðàçáèðàœå è íå¼àñíîñò, ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà èñòî òàêà äåêà òàà íå ìîæå äà ñå äåçèíòåðåñèðà çà âíàòðåøíàòà è íàäâîðåøíàòà ïîëèòèêà íà áàëêàíñêèòå äðæàâè è îñîáåíî íà Ñðáè¼à, Ãðöè¼à è Áóãàðè¼à êîè âëàäåàò öåëè äåëîâè îä òåðèòîðè¼àòà è íàñåëåíèåòî íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à.
Ïî îäíîñ íà Ãðöè¼à ÂÌÐÎ å ñå áîðè ïðîòèâ ñåêî¼ îáèä çà âðààœå íà ìîíàðõè¼àòà - í༼àðêèîò èçðàç íà óëòðàèìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êàòà ãð÷êà ïîëèòèêà - è ïðîòèâ ñåêî¼à ãð÷êà âëàäà êî¼à ¼à ïîäðæóâà äåíåøíàòà äåëáà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, ãî äåíàöèîíàëèçèðà íàñåëåíèåòî âî ãð÷êà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è íàñèëíî ãî èçìåíóâà íåãîâèîò åòíîãðàôñêè ñîñòàâ, ïðîòåðóâà¼è ãî äîìîðîäå÷êîòî íàñåëåíèå è çàìåíóâà¼è ãî ñî ãð÷êè ïðåñåëåíèöè îä Ìàëà Àçè¼à è Òðàêè¼à.
Ïî îäíîñ íà £óãîñëàâè¼à ÂÌÐÎ íà¼ðåøèòåëíî å ñå áîðè ïðîòèâ ñèòå, áåç ðàçëèêà íà ïàðòè¼à, áåëãðàäñêè âëàäè, êîè ¼à êðåïàò äåíåøíàòà ñðïñêà ïîëèòèêà íà íàñèëíè÷êè öåíòðàëèçàì, äåíàöèîíàëèçàöè¼à è óãíåòóâàœå íå ñàìî íà ìàêåäîíñêèîò íàðîä, òóêó è íà íàðîäèòå íà Õðâàòñêà, Áîñíà è Õåðöåãîâèíà, Öðíà Ãîðà, Êîñîâî, Âî¼âîäèíà, Ñëîâåíè¼à è Äàëìàöè¼à; óøòå ïîâåå çàòîà øòî òàà ïîëèòèêà, ïîòêðåïåíà îä íåêîè åâðîïñêè äðæàâè, å íàñî÷åíà êîí íîâè çàãðàáóâàœà íà òóƒè òåðèòîðèè çà ñìåòêà íà Àëáàíè¼à, áóãàðñêà è ãð÷êà Ìàêåäîíè¼à. ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà âî âíàòðåøíèòå íàöèîíàëíè áîðáè âî £óãîñëàâè¼à òàà ðåøèòåëíî çàñòàíóâà íà ñòðàíàòà íà ñèòå óãíåòåíè íàðîäíîñòè, øòî å ñå áîðàò ïðîòèâ áåëãðàäñêèòå âëàäè - çà äåìîêðàòñêà äåöåíòðàëèçàöè¼à è ôåäåðàòèâíà ðåîðãàíèçàöè¼à íà £óãîñëàâè¼à.
Ïî îäíîñ íà Áóãàðè¼à ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà è ïîêð༠ñèòå æðòâè, øòî áóãàðñêèîò íàðîä ãè äàâàë è å ãîòîâ äà ãè äàäå çà ñëîáîäàòà è íåçàâèñíîñòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, äåíåøíàòà áóãàðñêà âëàäà íà Öàíêîâ, âî ðàñ÷åêîð ñî ÷óâñòâàòà è èíòåðåñèòå íà ñâî¼îò íàðîä, âîäè åäíà ïîëèòèêà ¼àâíî àíòèìàêåäîíñêà è àíòèáóãàðñêà, åäíà ïîëèòèêà ¼àâíî ñðáîôèëñêà, êî¼à íå ñàìî øòà ¼à îâåêîâå÷óâà äåëáàòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à òóêó ïîäãîòâóâà íîâè òåðèòîðè¼àëíè ïðåêðî¼óâàœà íà Áàëêàíèòå çà ñìåòêà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à. ÂÌÐÎ ãè ïðåäóïðåäóâà íàðîäèòå íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, £óãîñëàâè¼à, Ãðöè¼à è Òðàêè¼à, äåêà áåëãðàäñêàòà âëàäà, îïðåíà íà ñâîèòå äîãîâîðè ñî íåêîè åâðîïñêè äðæàâè çà äåëáàòà íà Õðâàòñêà, Àëáàíè¼à è Ãðöè¼à, ñå ãàòâè äà ¼à ðàøèðè ñâî¼îòà çàâî¼óâà÷êà ïîëèòèêà íàê༠Ñîëóí, òåðà¼è ¼à ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà êîí Êàâàëà, çàïëàøóâà¼è ¼à, äåêà âî ïðîòèâåí ñëó÷༠å ãè îêóïèðà áóãàðñêèòå ãðàäîâè Ïåðíèê è óñòåíäèë.
È âëàäàòà íà Öàíêîâ, å èçãëåäà, ñîáëàçíåòà îä òèå èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êè ïåðñïåêòèâè, ïîòøåïíóâàíè îä áåëãðàäñêèòå ñèðåíè. Òàà ñå çàôàòèëà äà ¼à óíèøòè Âíàòðåøíàòà Ìàêåäîíñêà Ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà Îðãàíèçàöè¼à è ìàêåäîíñêîòî ðåâîëóöèîíåðíî äâèæåœå, êîè ñå ¼àâóâààò êàêî íà¼ñåðèîçíà ïðå÷êà çà îñòâàðóâàœåòî íà òèå ïðåñòàïíè íàìåðè. Äîäåêà áåëãðàäñêàòà âëàäà ¼à ïîäãîòâóâà è ðàçäóâóâà ãðàƒàíñêàòà âî¼íà âî Àëáàíè¼à, ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà íà Öàíêîâ ñå çàôàòèëà ñî óíèøòóâàœåòî íà ÂÌÐÎ.
Çàòâîðàœåòî íà íåêîëêó ñòàòèíè Ìàêåäîíöè âî Áóãàðè¼à, îñîìíè÷åíè çà ó÷åñòâî èëè ñîó÷åñòâî âî ìàêåäîíñêîòî îñëîáîäèòåëíî äâèæåœå; çàáðàíóâàœåòî íà ñèòå ëåãàëíè ïå÷àòíè îðãàíè íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà åìèãðàöè¼à âî Áóãàðè¼à, êîè ãî çàøòèòóâààò îñëàáîäèòåëíîòî äåëî íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à; ãîòîâíîñòà íà ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà äà ïîñåãíå è ïî íà¼âèäíèòå äå¼öè íà ìàêåäîíñêîòî îñëîáîäèòåëíî äâèæåœå çà äà ãè çàòâîðè è ïðåäàäå íà Ñðáè¼à, î÷åâèäíî êàêî èñêóïèòåëíà æðòâà íà íîâèîò êóðñ íà ñðïñêàòà è áóãàðñêàòà çàâî¼óâà÷êà ïîëèòèêà, ñå íà¼ïîñëåäíèòå è ¼àðêè äàêàçè çà ïðåñòàïíàòà ïîëèòèêà íà ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà.
ÂÌÐÎ ãî çíàå èçâîðîò íà òàà ñðïñêà è áóãàðñêà ïîëèòèêà. Ñëàáîñòà íà áåëãðàäñêàòà âëàäà âíàòðå âî çåì¼àòà ¼à òåðà äà ãè æðòâóâà èíòåðåñèòå íà õðâàòñêèîò íàðîä âî ïîëçà íà Èòàëè¼à - Ðè¼åêà è £àäðàíñêîòî ïðèìîð¼å - è äà áàðà êîìïåíçàöè¼à çà ñìåòêà íà Àëáàíè¼à, áóãàðñêà è ãð÷êà Ìàêåäîíè¼à. À âíàòðåøíàòà ñëàáîñò íà ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà ¼à ïðàâè íåñïîñîáíà äà èì ñå ïðîòèâñòàâè íà áåëãðàäñêèòå çàïëàøóâàœà è ïðåä îïàñíîñòà îä îêóïèðàœåòî íà Ïåðíèê è óñòåíäèë îä Ñðáèòå òàà å ãîòîâà äà îäè íà äîáðîâîëíî ñàðàáîòóâàœå ñî ñðïñêàòà åêñïàíçèîíèñòè÷êà ïîëèòèêà íàê༠Ñîëóí, íàäåâà¼è ñå äåêà ñàìàòà å áèäå êîìïåíçèðàíà íàê༠Êàâàëà. Íà òàêîâ íà÷èí ñå æðòâóâààò íå ñàìî èíòåðåñèòå íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è Òðàêè¼à, òóêó âî èñòî âðåìå ñå çàñåãààò è èíòåðåñèòå íà Áóãàðè¼à, £óãîñëàâè¼à è ñèòå áàëêàíñêè íàðîäè.
Îñíîâíàòà ïðè÷èíà çà ñëàáîñòà íà ñîôèñêàòà âëàäà å íå¼çèíàòà èçîëèðàíîñò, îòêèíàòîñò îä íàðîäíèòå ìàñè è íåïðè¼àòåëñòâîòî îä îâèå ïîñëåäíèâå êîí íåà. Áîðå¼è ñå ïî ñåêî¼à öåíà çà çàïàçóâàœå íà âëàñòà âî ñâîè ðàöå è íå íàîƒà¼è íèêàêâà ïîäðøêà âî íàðîäîò çà äà ñå ïðîòèâñòàâè íà ñðïñêàòà çàâî¼óâà÷êà ïîëèòèêà, òàà ñå ìà÷è, âî ñîðàáîòêà ñà íåà, äà ãè îòêëîíè îïàñíîñòèòå øòî âèñàò íàä Áóãàðè¼à, ïîäáóöíóâà¼è ¼à ïîñëåäíàòà êîí íîâà àâàíòóðà, ñàìî è ñàìî äà ñïå÷àëè íåêî¼ ïðèâðåìåí óñïåõ ñî êî¼ áè ¼à çà¼àêíàëà ñâî¼àòà ðàçíèøàíà ïîëîæáà âíàòðå âî çåì¼àòà. Çà òàà öåë òàà ãè æðòâóâà êàêî èíòåðåñèòå íà ìàêåäîíñêèîò òàêà è èíòåðåñèòå íà áóãàðñêèîò íàðîä. Òàà å ïðèíóäåíà äà óïðàâóâà âî âíàòðåøíàòà ïîëèòèêà ñî òåðîð, ñóñïåíäèðàœå íà ñèòå óñòàâíè ãàðàíöèè; òàà å ïðèíóäåíà äà ¼à ñóñïåíäèðà ñëîáîäàòà íà ãîâîðîò, ïå÷àòîò, ñîáîðèòå è çäðóæåíè¼àòà, äà ðàñòóðà öåëè çàäðóæíè îðãàíèçàöèè è ïîëèòè÷êè ïàðòèè; òàà å ïðèíóäåíà äóðè äà îòêàæóâà ïðèáåæèøòå çà ïàëèòè÷êèòå áåãàëöè íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à.
Ïðè òàêâàòà ïîëîæáà ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà ïîëèòèêàòà íà âëàäàòà íà Öàíêîâ å íåïðè¼àòåëñêà ñïðåìà ìàêåäîíñêèîò è áóãàðñêèîò íàðîä è àïåëèðà êîí ñèòå Ìàêåäîíöè è Áóãàðè äà ïîâåäàò íà¼ðåøèòåëíà áîðáà ïðîòèâ íåà.
Òèå òðåáà äà è äàäàò ñâî¼à ïîòêðåïà ñàìî íà åäíà òàêâà âëàäà âî Áóãàðè¼à êî¼à, îïèðà¼è ñå âðç øèðîêèòå òðóäáåíè÷êè ìàñè îä ãðàäîò è ñåëîòî, íå å èìà íóæäà îä òåðîð è èñêëó÷èòåëíè çàêîíè çà ñâîåòî óïðàâóâàœå, íå å ïðèáåãíóâà êîí ñóñïåíäèðàœå íà ñóøòåñòâåíèòå ãàðàíöèè çà åäíà âèñòèíñêè íàðîäíà è äåìîêðàòñêà âëàñò è êî¼à, îïèðà¼è ñå âðç äîâåðáàòà íà ìàñèòå íà ñëîáîäîšóáèâèîò, äåìîêðàòñêè è íåøîâèíèñòè÷êè áóãàðñêè íàðîä, å ìîæå äà ìó ãè äàäå íåîïõîäíèòå ñðåäñòâà çà áîðáà ïðîòèâ çàâî¼óâà÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà ñîñåäíèòå äðæàâè, áåç äà ñå ïëàøè äåêà òèå ñðåäñòâà å áèäàò ñâðòåíè ïðîòèâ íåà.
Ñàìî âî óñòàíîâóâàœåòî íà åäíà òàêâà âëàäà âî Áóãàðè¼à, ÂÌÐÎ ãëåäà ãàðàíöí¼à è çà ïîíàòàìîøíèîò óñïåøåí ðàçâî¼ íà ñâî¼àòà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà çà ñëîáîäàòà è íåçàâèñíîñòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è çà ïîëèòè÷êàòà íåçàâèñíîñò íà ñèòå áàëêàíñêè íàðîäè.
Çàöðòóâà¼è ãî âî îïøòè ëèíèè ñâî¼îò îäíîñ êîí äðæàâíèòå ôàêòîðè íà îïøòîåâðîïñêàòà è áàëêàíñêàòà ïîëèòèêà, ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà òàà ñå áîðè è å ñå áîðè ñî ñèòå ñðåäñòâà íà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíàòà áîðáà:
1. Çà îñëîáîäóâàœåòî è îáåäèíóâàœåòî íà ðàñêèíàòèòå äåëîâè íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à âî åäíà íàïîëíî íåçàâèñíà è ñàìîñòî¼íà ïîëèòè÷êà åäèíèöà, âî íå¼çèíèòå ïðèðîäíè, ãåîãðàôñêè è åòíîãðàôñêè ãðàíèöè;
2. Çà äåìîêðàòèçèðàœåòî íà ñîñåäíèòå íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à áàëêàíñêè äðæàâè è íèâíîòî ñî¼óçóâàœå âî åäíà áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöè¼à, êî¼à åäèíñòâåíî ìîæå äà ãî ãàðàíòèðà ïîëèòè÷êîòî ïîñòîåœå íà íåçàâèñíà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è íåçàâèñíîñòà íà äðóãèòå áàëêàíñêè íàðîäè; äà ãè çàäîâîëè åêîíîìñêèòå è êóëòóðíèòå èíòåðåñè íà ñèòå áàëêàíñêè íàðîäè, ñâðçàíè ñî èçëåãóâàœåòî íà òðèòå áàëêàíñêè ìîðèœà; äà ãè ïàðàëèçèðà àíåêñèîíèñòè÷êèòå ñòðåìåæè íà áàëêàíñêèòå è èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êèòå ñòðåìåæè íà ãîëåìèòå åâðîïñêè äðæàâè; à èñòî òàêà äà ãî ãàðàíòèðà ïðàâèëíîòî ðàçðåøóâàœå íà ñèòå íàöèîíàëíè ñïîðîâè, îñèãóðóâà¼è ãî êóëòóðíèîò ðàçâèòîê íà ñèòå åòíè÷êè ìàëöèíñòâà.
ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà äåêà âî ñâî¼àòà áîðáà çà íåçàâèñíà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöè¼à ñìåòà, ïðåä ñe, íà îáåäèíåòèòå ðåâîëóöèîíåðíè ñèëè íà öåëîòî ìàêåäîíñêî íàñåëåíèå, áåç ðàçëèêà íà âåðà è íàðîäíîñò, êîè å ¼à ïîâåäàò ñâî¼àòà áîðáà âî òåñíà ñîðàáîòêà ñî ðåâîëóöèîíåðíèòå ñèëè íà òðóäáåíè÷êèòå ìàñè âî äðóãèòå áàëêàíñêè äðæàâè. Äîêîëêó ïàê óñïåõîò íà íå¼çèíàòà îñëîáîäèòåëíà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà çàâèñè îä ìåƒóíàðîäíàòà ïîëîæáà, ÂÌÐÎ ñìåòà ïðåä ñe, íà ìîðàëíàòà è ìàòåðè¼àëíàòà ïîòêðåïà îä ïðîãðåñèâíî-ðåâîëóöèîíåðíèòå äâèæåœà âî åâðîïñêèòå äðæàâè, êîè ñå áîðàò ïðîòèâ èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êàòà ïîëèòèêà íà íèâíèòå âëàäè, ïðîòèâ ñîçäàäåíèòå èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êè ìèðîâíè äîãîâîðè è çà ïîëíîòî è âèñòèíñêî ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœå íà íàðîäèòå.
Íà òàêîâ íà÷èí ÂÌÐÎ ïðåêèíóâà êîíå÷íî ñî èëóçèèòå äà ¼à î÷åêóâà ñëîáîäàòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à è ñîçäàâàœåòî íà Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöè¼à ïðåêó èíòåðâåíöè¼àòà íà áàëêàíñêèòå øîâèíèñòè÷êè è åâðîïñêè èìïåðè¼àëèñòè÷êè âëàäè.
Òàà èç¼àâóâà äåêà ñàìî îíèå äðæàâè è âëàäè ìîæàò äà ïðåòåíäèðààò äà áèäàò èñêðåíè ïðè¼àòåëè íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ñëîáîäà è íà áàëêàíñêèòå íàðîäè, êîè ñî ñâî¼àòà ñîïñòâåíà ïîëèòèêà äàâààò äàâîëíî äîêàçè äåêà ãî ñëåäàò è íà äåëî ãî ðåàëèçèðààò ïðèíöèïîò çà ñëîáîäíî ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœå íà íàðîäèòå. Ñèòå äðóãè ñå íåïðè¼àòåëè íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ñëîáîäà è ïðîòèâ íèâíàòà ïîëèòèêà íà Áàëêàíîò, ÂÌÐÎ å âîäè íà¼ðåøèòåëíà áîðáà.
ÂÌÐÎ å ñâåñíà çà ðåëàòèâíàòà ñëàáîñò íà ñâîèòå ñèëè, íî òàà èñòî òàêà äîáðî çíàå äåêà öåëà Åâðîïà å ìèíèðàíà îä ïðîòèâðå÷¼à ìíîãó ïîäëàáîêè è ïîíåïîìèðëèâè îòêîëêó îíèå øòî ¼à ïðåäèçâèêàà îïøòîåâðîïñêàòà âî¼íà âî 1914 ãîäèíà. Åäíà íîâà áàëêàíñêà è îïøòîåâðîïñêà âî¼íà èëè ìåƒóíàðîäíà ãðàƒàíñêà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà çà îñëîáîäóâàœå è ñàìîîïðåäåëóâàœå íà íàðîäèòå å íåìèíîâíà. Íåøòî ïîâåå, òàà òðîïà âåå íà ïîðòèòå íà ñèòå äðæàâè.
ÂÌÐÎ ¼à ñôàà ìíîãó äîáðî ãîëåìàòà è ðåøèòåëíà óëîãà êî¼à Áàëêàíîò ¼à îäèãðà âî èçáóâíóâàœåòî íà îïøòîåâðîïñêàòà âî¼íà îä 1914-1918 ã. Òàà èì îáðíóâà âíèìàíèå íà ñèòå Ìàêåäîíöè è áàëêàíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðè äåêà è âî èäíèòå áîðáè êîè áðãó ñå ïðèáëèæóâààò, Áàëêàíîò ìîæå äà èçèãðà óøòå ïîãîëåìà è ïîðåøèòåëíà óëîãà, äîâîëíî å ñàìî ðåâîëóöèîíåðíèòå óñèëáè íà ñèòå óãíåòåíè áàëêàíñêè íàðîäè äà áèäàò ñïëîòåíè è îáåäèíåòè ïîä çíàìåòî íà ìàêåäîíñêàòà ñëîáîäà è íåçàâèñíîñò, ïîä çíàìåòî íà ñâî¼àòà ñîïñòâåíà ñëîáîäà è íåçàâèñíîñò è íà¼ïîñëå ïîä çíàìåòî íà Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöè¼à.
È çàòîà ÂÌÐÎ àïåëèðà êîí ñèòå ñâåñíè áîðöè çà ñëîáîäàòà è íåçàâèñíîñòà íà áàëêàíñêèòå íàðîäè äà ãè ñïëîòàò ñâîèòå ñèëè çà áðçîòî ôîðìèðàœå íà åäåí åäèíñòâåí ìàêåäîíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò, êî¼ å ïîñëóæè çà îáðàçóâàœåòî íà åäèíåòâåí áàëêàíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò ïðîòèâ ñèòå øîâèíèñòè, ïðîòèâ ñèòå àíåêñèîíèñòè è èìïåðè¼àëèñòè, ïðîòèâ ñèòå óãíåòóâà÷è íà ñâîèòå è òóƒè íàðîäè.
Çà äà ãè äàäå ñèòå äîêàçè äåêà ¼à óïðàâóâà ñâî¼àòà äå¼íîñò ïî òî¼ ïàò, ÂÌÐÎ èç¼àâóâà íà¼ñâå÷àíî äåêà ãè ïðåêðàòóâà ñèòå ïîòåðè è ãè óêèíóâà ñíòå åêçåêóòèâíè ìåðêè è íàðåäáè ïðîòíâ îääåëíèòå ìàêåäîíñêè äå¼öè, ãðóïè, îðãàíèçàöèè è ñòðóè, øòîì òèå èñêðåíî å çàñòàíàò âðç áàçàòà íà âèñòèíñêàòà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíà áîðáà, âî äóõîò íà îâî¼ ìàíèôåñò è å ïîäàäàò ðàêà çà îïøòà áîðáà ïîä çíàìåòî íà ñëîáîäíà è íåçàâèñíà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, ïîä çíàìåòî íà Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöè¼à.
Ñî òîà ÂÌÐÎ ãî ïðàâè ïðâèîò è íà¼ðåøèòåëåí ÷åêîð çà ñîçäàâàœåòî íà íåîïõîäíàòà ïîâîëíà àòìîñôåðà çà ñâèêóâàœå âî ñêîðî âðåìå íà åäåí îáåäèíèòåëåí êîíãðåñ íà öåëîòî ìàêåäîíñêî ðåâîëóöèîíåðíî äâèæåœå, íà êî¼ ïðåêó óñèëáèòå íà ñèòå èñêðåíè ìàêåäîíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðè, å ñå ñîçäàäå åäèíñòâåíèîò ìàêåäîíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò êî¼, îïèðà¼è ñå âðç åäèíñòâåíèîò áàëêàíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò, âî òåñíà ñîðàáîòêà ñî ñèòå ïðîãðåñèâíîðåâîëóöèîíåðíè äâèæåœà íà Áàëêàíèòå è âî Åâðîïà, å ¼à èçâî¼óâà ñëîáîäàòà è íåçàâèñíîñòà íà Ìàêåäîíè¼à, å ãî íàëîæè ñîçäàâàœåòî íà Áàëêàíñêàòà ôåäåðàöè¼à, å ãî îñèãóðè ìèðîò íà Áàëêàíîò - çà äà ãî ïîòïîìîãíå âîñòàíîâóâàœåòî íà ìèðîò âî öåëà Åâðîïà.
Ñèòå íàïðåä âî ðåäîâèòå íà ðåâîëóöèîíåðíàòà ìàêåäîíñêà áîðáà!
Äà æèâåå åäèíñòâåíèîò ìàêåäîíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò!
Äà æèâåå åäèíñòâåíèîò áàëêàíñêè ðåâîëóöèîíåðåí ôðîíò!.
Äà æèâåå îáåäèíåòà è íåçàâèñíà Ìàêåäîíè¼à!
Äà æèâåå Áàëêàíñêà ôåäåðàöè¼à!
Âèåíà, 15 ì༠1924 ã. Çà ÂÌÐÎ Öåíòðàëåí êîìèòåò À. Ïðîòîãåðîâ Ï. ×àóëåâ Çà Ò. Àëåêñàíäðîâ è ïî íåãîâî ïîëíîìîøòèå ïîòïèøàëå: Ï. ×àóëåâ À. Ïðîòîãåðîâ
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2011 4:07:01 GMT -5
Also this manifest is a result of the warming up of the IMRO relations with USSR (which envisioned Bulgarian ethnicity devided into Moesians, Macedonians and Thracians) AND the cooling off of the relations between IMRO and the Bulgarian government at the time. Todor Alexandrov (on whose behalf the manifest was signed) actually waived his signature on this declaration. Another declaration of IMRO was issued in "Pryaporez" after the May manifest which contained the following: "Àëà ïî ïîâîä ñëóõîâåòå, ÷å ÂÌÐÎ â ìåæäóíàðîäíàòà ñè ïîëèòèêà ñå å îïðåäåëèëà íà ñòðàíàòà íà Ñúâåòñêà Ðóñèÿ è Òðåòèÿ èíòåðíàöèîíàë è åäâà ëè íå å ñòàíàëà òÿõíî îðúäèå, çà äà ñå áîðè çà ñåëñêè ðàáîòíè÷åñêè ïðàâèòåëñòâà â Áúëãàðèÿ, Þãîñëàâèÿ è Ãúðöèÿ, Öåíòðàëíèÿò êîìèòåò â äîïúëíåíèå íà ïî-ðàíøíàòà ñè äåêëàðàöèÿ çàÿâÿâà: Âúòðåøíàòà ìàêåäîíñêà ðåâîëþöèîííà îðãàíèçàöèÿ íå ìîæå äà ñëóæè íà íèêîÿ äúðæàâà è íà íèêîÿ ïàðòèÿ â êîÿòî è äà å äúðæàâà... Ùî ñå îòíàñÿ äî Áúëãàðèÿ, Öåíòðàëíèÿò êîìèòåò êàòî çàÿâÿâà, ÷å íå å ðàáîòà íà ÂÌÐÎ äà ñå ìåñè âúâ âúòðåøíèÿ è̀ ïîëèòè÷åñêè æèâîò, íî ÷å ùå ñå áîðè ñ âñè÷êè ñèëè è ñðåäñòâà ïðîòèâ âðàãîâåòå è̀... ñ÷èòà, ÷å å âðåìå ùîòî âñè÷êè ïîëèòè÷åñêè ïàðòèè è ôàêòîðè äà ðàçáåðàò êàêâî ÂÌÐÎ å å åäèíñòâåíî êîìïåòåíòíà äà íàñî÷âà ñâîÿòà äåéíîñò â ïðåñëåäâàíå èäåàëà ñè - ñâîáîäíà è íåçàâèñèìà Ìàêåäîíèÿ. Òîâà ñå íàëàãà îùå ïîâå÷å îò îáñòîÿòåëñòâîòî, ÷å íàé-ãîëÿìî ó÷àñòèå â îñâîáîäèòåëíîòî äâèæåíèå âçèìàò ìàêåäîíñêèòå áúëãàðè, ïîðàäè ïðîñòàòà ïðè÷èíà, ÷å òå ñà íàé-ïðèòåñíåíèòå è íàé-ìíîãîáðîéíè â ïîäåëåíàòà è ïîðîáåíà ñòðàíà."
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2011 9:12:15 GMT -5
Translation: "And regarding the rumours that IMRO in its foreign policy have declared that its on the side of Soviet Russia and the Third International and it has almost become their weapon, so that IMRO fights for peasant-worker's governments in Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Greece, the Central comitee in addition to its earlier declaration announces: IMRO can not serve any state or any party in any state... Regarding Bulgaria, the Central comitee anounces that its not up to IMRO to interfere in its internal and political life, but IMRO will fight with all its powers and means against its enemies .....IMRO considers thats its high time all political parties and factors understand that IMRO is only competent to direct its activity in pursuing its ideal - free and independant Macedonia. This is required mostly by the circumstance that the Macedonian Bulgarians have the biggest participation in the liberation movement, because they are the most troubled and numerous people in this divided and enslaved country". So I guess IMRO took back its declaration (made under the influence of USSR and because of the policy of the Zankov government). Not only that, but in later declaration they say they are Bulgarian Macedonians.
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Post by ivo on Nov 29, 2011 11:24:45 GMT -5
Chentovist, your knowledge is distorted. You don't have the whole picture and you're merely following a part of their ideals.
The goals of IMRO never intended secession from the Bulgarian ethnic identity; this occurred due to the consistent de-Bulgarization campaigns under Serb and Greek control of Vardar and Aegean Macedonia.
In reality, you're not following the ideals of IMRO.. you're following the ideals that Serbs and Greeks wanted you to follow.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 29, 2011 18:02:05 GMT -5
all i hear from the bulgars is weasel weasel weasel. spin it how you like, the may manifesto was targetted at the macedonian nation, and not the bulgarian macedonian nation. anyway back to the articles on this thread. the article mentions racial war between bulgars and macedonians...
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Post by ivo on Nov 29, 2011 20:13:36 GMT -5
Sorry friend, but there was no civil war in Macedonia. And as I've mentioned many times before, it's best to consult a wide variety of sources, rather than hand picked bits and pieces that turn out to either be completely misquoted or presented out of context.
The truth is that the Macedonian ethnic identity was a project initiated by Serbia and cemented by Tito and his Yugoslavia. It truly is very sad, but it was under consistent and brutal anti-Bulgarian pressure that your forefathers became 'ethnic Macedonians'.. and now your government clings to a history that holds no credibility outside of your borders.
The most unfortunate bit is the fact that during the time of Georgi Dimitrov, Bulgaria's communist government played along with Tito and Stalin's BS for a few short, but critical, years.
In reality, your ethnic identity exists today because our neighbors didn't want to see a strong and united Bulgaria.. and this was both directly and indirectly supported by the "Great Powers" at various time periods.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 29, 2011 21:38:38 GMT -5
"history that holds no credibility outside of your borders." well, is that so. let's see what the u.s govt says about that: "... Macedonian revolutionaries liberated the town of Krushevo and established the short-lived Republic of Krushevo, which was put down by Ottoman forces after 10 days..." "..Throughout much of the Second World War, Bulgaria and Italy occupied Macedonia. Many citizens joined partisan movements during this time and succeeded in liberating the region in late 1944..." "....most of Macedonia's Slavic population identified themselves as Macedonians..." www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26759.htm
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Post by Sokol on Nov 29, 2011 21:54:37 GMT -5
Evevi pesna bre b'lgari: pesna.org/song.php?id=506( Ìè çàïëàêàëî ñåëîòî Âàòàøà) Ìè çàïëàêàëî ñåëîòî, ñåëîòî Âàòàøà, ìè çàïëàêàëî ñåëîòî, ñåëîòî Âàòàøà, òðèíàåñåò ðîñà ìëàäèíöè íîñàò Ìîêðèøêî ãîðå, â äîëîâè. Öåëîòî ñåëî ñòàíàëî, ñòàíàëî íà íîãà, öåëîòî ñåëî ñòàíàëî, ñòàíàëî íà íîãà: - Äà¼òå ãè âàìó íàøèòå äåöà, å¼, âèå êëåòè êðâíèöè! åëàòè êëåòè íå ñëóøà, íå ñëóøà íàðîäîò, Ÿåëàòè êëåòè íå ñëóøà, íå ñëóøà íàðîäîò, ìèòðàëåç îãàí ôðëè¼à ïîãàí â' ãðàäèòå ìàøêè ìëàäèíñêè. Òîã༠ñå íàðîä ïîäèãíà, ïîäèãíà èë¼àäíî, òîã༠ñå íàðîä ïîäèãíà, ïîäèãíà èë¼àäíî, è òðãíà ñìåëî äà çàïðå ñåìå ôàøèñòî-êëåòî çà íàâåê. ************* ( Mi zaplakalo seloto Vatasha) Mi zaplakalo seloto, seloto Vatasha, mi zaplakalo seloto, seloto Vatasha, trinaeset rosa mladinci nosat Mokrishko gore, v dolovi. Celoto selo stanalo, stanalo na noga, celoto selo stanalo, stanalo na noga: - Dajte gi vamu nashite deca, ej, vie kleti krvnici! Dzhelati kleti ne slusha, ne slusha narodot, dzhelati kleti ne slusha, ne slusha narodot, mitralez ogan frlija pogan v' gradite mashki mladinski. Togaj se narod podigna, podigna iljadno, togaj se narod podigna, podigna iljadno, i trgna smelo da zapre seme fashisto-kleto za navek.
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Post by ivo on Nov 30, 2011 10:20:09 GMT -5
You're looking at bits and pieces of history. People are easily duped when they are ignorant of the whole picture.
Yes, that is so. What is the response your citizens usually get when they claim they're Ancient Macedonians?
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Post by Sokol on Nov 30, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
"You're looking at bits and pieces of history. People are easily duped when they are ignorant of the whole picture."
The US govt is duped?
"Yes, that is so. What is the response your citizens usually get when they claim they're Ancient Macedonians?"
We claim we are Macedonians, and everyone respects and recognises this apart from Bulgarians and Greeks. And that is because you both have repressed Macedonian minorities living in your borders, and you occupy Macedonian territory. Our existence is a threat to you, and you will do anything to make us disappear. As Greece's Prime Minister Constantine Mitsotakis said in 1995:
“I understood the Skopje issue from the very beginning in its real dimension. What had concerned me from the very beginning was not the country’s name, which is related with the historical dimension of the problem and has mostly psychological and sentimental value. The problem for me was to avoid the emergence of a second minority problem in Western Macedonia. (...) For me, the aim had always been that that Republic should clearly state that there is no Slavomacedonian minority in Greece and to commit itself through international treaties to stop all irredentist propaganda against Greece. That was the key in the Greek-Skopjan dispute.”
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Post by ivo on Nov 30, 2011 17:27:38 GMT -5
I believe that a person is what that person identifies as. If you identify as an ethnic Macedonian, then that's what you are.
Though in order to remain credible, we must observe history as it actually happened rather than handing on to some political re-interpretations of reality that are based on a lack of knowledge and purposeful misinterpretation of facts.
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Post by Sokol on Nov 30, 2011 17:32:59 GMT -5
I believe that a person is what that person identifies as. If you identify as an ethnic Macedonian, then that's what you are. Though in order to remain credible, we must observe history as it actually happened rather than handing on to some political re-interpretations of reality that are based on a lack of knowledge and purposeful misinterpretation of facts. History tells us that Macedonia is a battle ground for competing territorial and ethnic claims by neighbouring states. You have your argument, and the rest have theirs. Don't pretend like you have the upper hand here. Bulgars have 10% of Macedonia, and you are lucky to have that.
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Post by rex362 on Nov 30, 2011 18:38:23 GMT -5
Macedonian my ass ......when Macedonia became a country seems these slavs forgot that Albanian are Macedonians also ...including other races of people
they started making cookies for themselves ...your neighbors and people within laugh at you and you are no threat to anyone ....
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Post by Sokol on Nov 30, 2011 18:58:41 GMT -5
Macedonian my ass ......when Macedonia became a country seems these slavs forgot that Albanian are Macedonians also ...including other races of people they started making cookies for themselves ...your neighbors and people within laugh at you and you are no threat to anyone .... You are Ottoman garbage waiting to be thrown out...the stench is becoming unbearable...
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Post by ivo on Dec 1, 2011 18:03:11 GMT -5
You keep talking territory. I've told you many times before, no one wants to "take" R. Macedonia.. it's fine as it is as an independent republic.
Historically, the Bulgarian identity of Macedonia is undisputed.. and I'm obviously not talking about Ancient Macedonia. There are a hand full of sources that claim otherwise, but they've been disproved and hold no credibility pertaining to the ethnic identity of the modern day Macedonians.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 1, 2011 18:20:01 GMT -5
You keep talking territory. I've told you many times before, no one wants to "take" R. Macedonia.. it's fine as it is as an independent republic. Historically, the Bulgarian identity of Macedonia is undisputed.. and I'm obviously not talking about Ancient Macedonia. There are a hand full of sources that claim otherwise, but they've been disproved and hold no credibility pertaining to the ethnic identity of the modern day Macedonians. Ivo, the Bulgars are but one part of the Macedonian puzzle. Macedonians are another (major) part. We all will push are own views and agendas. I expect nothing less of the Bulgars.
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