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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 8, 2011 14:07:24 GMT -5
missanthropology58 - Sorry but your ban order has not been lifted yet. No you didn't you sent me a message in private
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Post by dna on Dec 8, 2011 16:47:10 GMT -5
Reading this thread one would assume that the Illyrians were a homogenous, ethnic collective, self aware of their very homogeneity and that they resided in a consolidated territory, underpinned by their very Illyrianism.. but the impression I have of contemporary opinion, is that attributing such homogeneity and ethnic self-awareness to the "Illyrians" and "Illyria", is quite misguided - "The Illyrians..." Vs. "Those peoples/tribes that resided in this or that ancient zone...".
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 8, 2011 17:26:09 GMT -5
Where were the Illyrians from 100 ad to 1250 ad? Maybe shoe shining at Port Authority bus station in NYC?
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Post by plisbardhi on Dec 8, 2011 18:01:18 GMT -5
^ Where were the Greeks before Lord Byron got there, learning how to cook in Beirut? Before him Greece was only inhabited by Albs, Slavs, Vlachs, Turks, and Romans. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 8, 2011 20:18:40 GMT -5
Ha.... read and you will find out... Please point me the the direction where it says Albanians existed before 1200... yes we will have this discussion again... These threads are pointless... trying to link you to the barbaric illyrian tribes... that might have not existed at all...
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 8, 2011 20:29:51 GMT -5
no respectable scholar says that greeks are a continuation of the ancients, you're gonna have to live and make peace with that ginger boy ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Shqipni13 on Dec 8, 2011 20:36:00 GMT -5
Ha.... read and you will find out... Please point me the the direction where it says Albanians existed before 1200... yes we will have this discussion again... These threads are pointless... trying to link you to the barbaric illyrian tribes... that might have not existed at all... Typical greek tart.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 8, 2011 22:46:17 GMT -5
no respectable scholar says that greeks are a continuation of the ancients, you're gonna have to live and make peace with that ginger boy ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) This is some of you and your attempt to connect yourselves with Illyrians... ![](http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/CoolHandLucas/82083941.gif) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Sokol on Dec 8, 2011 23:29:35 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Anittas on Dec 9, 2011 2:11:24 GMT -5
So Kanaris came here to ruin the atmosphere. Yep, that's the work of an administrator.
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Post by donnie on Dec 9, 2011 4:23:45 GMT -5
Reading this thread one would assume that the Illyrians were a homogenous, ethnic collective, self aware of their very homogeneity and that they resided in a consolidated territory, underpinned by their very Illyrianism.. but the impression I have of contemporary opinion, is that attributing such homogeneity and ethnic self-awareness to the "Illyrians" and "Illyria", is quite misguided - "The Illyrians..." Vs. "Those peoples/tribes that resided in this or that ancient zone...". Don't be fooled, the thread is really about Anittas trying to convince us that we should've become Romans (read: Romanians) and the argument is their possession of a more developed, superior, culture. Which is really a confusion between the terms Roman and Romanian, between whom there is no such continuity; there is only a, broken, linguistic continuity. So his argument falls on its own terms.
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Post by dna on Dec 9, 2011 5:01:59 GMT -5
I wonder what the history of the balkans would have been like, had the Roman empire never set up shop there... Silly hypothetical i know!
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 9, 2011 5:36:05 GMT -5
This is some of you and your attempt to connect yourselves with Illyrians... ![](http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/CoolHandLucas/82083941.gif) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by punisher on Dec 9, 2011 11:39:50 GMT -5
anitas the illyrians who were romanized are now all slavized or hellenised.we the ones who survive the romanisation are now all proud natives of balkan.but you still can see the difference between a dalmatian or herzegovinian and a serb,croat,bosniak from those places(croatia,bosnia)
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Post by punisher on Dec 9, 2011 11:45:29 GMT -5
anitas i'm waiting for the next part of your poetry about the kosovare EHEHEH
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Post by Anittas on Dec 9, 2011 11:59:31 GMT -5
Punisher, SA won't let me publish my work of literature. Maybe if you convince him to change his mind, or, if you convince Aadmin to grant my art a status of immunity, I will write it.
Donnie, my argument was that if Illyrians had attained a stronger identity--enough to resist the Slavic onslaught--we would've all prospered. And Romania has links to the Eastern Roman Empire. Anyways, true Albanians (not K******ë) know what I'm talking about.
"there is only a, broken, linguistic continuity"
Lolz ... broken continuity. That's an oxymoron!
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Post by punisher on Dec 9, 2011 12:05:20 GMT -5
Punisher, SA won't let me publish my work of literature. Maybe if you convince him to change his mind, or, if you convince Aadmin to grant my art a status of immunity, I will write it. Donnie, my argument was that if Illyrians had attained a stronger identity--enough to resist the Slavic onslaught--we would've all prospered. And Romania has links to the Eastern Roman Empire. Anyways, true Albanians (not K******ë) know what I'm talking about. "there is only a, broken, linguistic continuity" Lolz ... broken continuity. That's an oxymoron! anitas,the albs from dardania are equally albanian as the als from albania
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Post by Anittas on Dec 9, 2011 12:10:48 GMT -5
Okay, some of them, but not Donnie and not SA.
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Post by donnie on Dec 9, 2011 15:03:53 GMT -5
It's the best I can give you considering that your language tilted more towards Bulgarian than Latin prior to the infusion of a large number of French loanwords ,, in some attempt to relink to your supposedly Roman past.
Yes, I'm sure it is there where the key to everything lies ,, not that the territory was decimated by wars, numerous barbarian campaigns, famine, a fractured political scene and so on. A "weak Roman identity" would've saved it all .. : - /
Either way, funny how things turned out ,, you sold your original language in your vain attempt to emulate sth you could never successfully copy, thinking being subject to Roman laws and mimicking their words dealing with Roman law meant you actually understood their civilization ,, and you turned, in the end, to the same lifestyle as us goatherders .. the irony : - D
Eh., what do you know, you're just a Moldavian anyway, you're even less Latin than your Wallachian brethren!
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Post by Anittas on Dec 9, 2011 19:45:19 GMT -5
Donnie, it seems that your higher education in Sweden has had little inpact on that Kosovarë brain of yours. You could just as well go into the organ harvesting business, since you expressed a wish to help your people.
Our language has always possesed a Latin lexicography that remained in majority; and this can easily be verified from texts from the 16th century. French lexicography was introduced for the same reason it was introduced in Swedish and Danish. Since you claim to be well-educated and since you reside in Sweden, you would know the reason for that; and it has nothing to do with falsifying anything. That claim is, in fact, Serbian and Bulgarian propaganda which your feeble Kosovarë mind seems unable to resist.
The fact that we resisted assimilation from so many people, whereas your romanized Illyrians did not--and to think were more exposed to agression that you ever were--speaks volumes about our resilience. Yes, I'm Moldavian, and it is via Stephen the Great's marriage with one of the last Byzantine princesses that we inherited the right to claim the Eastern Roman Empire and all its territories, provided that we actually can conquer the land and hold it.
Say, if the Illyrians who kept to themselves in the mountainous regions kept a distinct identity, and if the rest who were romanized were assimilated into the Greek and the Slavic identity, what happened to the Illyrians in Kosovo? Did the Kosovo mountains produced any Albanians from the go, or did you move there some time in the 17th century, as the Serbs claim you did?
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