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Post by Sokol on Dec 15, 2011 23:40:15 GMT -5
www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonian-wineries-close-despite-good-intentionsMacedonia's Wine Trade Loses its Sparkle
A quarter of Macedonia’s wineries face closure this year - ironically after government advertisements used the example of wineries to encourage entrepreneurship.see what I am talking about ....the slav goverment has/is/will spend millions and millions of Euros for fake history making instead of subsidizing and advertising for agriculture farmers product to be exported ......WAKE UP ALL OF MACEDONIA! they dont push export to Italy and other countries for product of Macedonia they seek sculptors and bronze makers so to throw money at them ....and also most likely skim some money off the deals 4sure you cannot eat the monuments ...all that comes out of it is confusion for yourselves and laughter from your neighbors at you and you expect Albanians and other groups within Macedonia to pay for your fakeness with extra taxations Macedonia can do both. We are being led and governed much better now then under the SDSM commies...
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Post by Sokol on Dec 16, 2011 0:06:08 GMT -5
What's this a statue of Alexander The Great in Bulgaria, LOL. do you mean this statue in Solun?? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ![](http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/72/94/12_big.jpg)
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Post by srok on Dec 16, 2011 7:45:01 GMT -5
Lol, you just disproved your own point. "Triballians" was a term reserved exclusively for Serbs during the middle ages. So thanks, I guess we have just another source we can use to prove her Slavic ancestry. Oh and btw, if you need a source that references to the naming of Serbs as "Triballians" in the middle ages, I'll gladly provide ten. What did i disprove? did you check out also other sources i posted? The origins of Vojsava is disputed, The Barletis biography of Skenderbe was published in 1510 and The Muzaka Chronicle buy Gjon Muzaka was also published in 1510, According to this work, she was matrilineally related to the Muzaka family, Muzaka Family was of Albanian origin, Harry Hodgkinson, considers her a member of the Muzaka family, Boban Petrovski was a fail. Now to the point, Skenderbe on his letter to Prince of Taranto: "Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. My elders were from Epirus, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?" Nowhere he ever mentions any slavic ancestry, not in this letter or in any other material about him, all he mentions is Albania, Albanian people and Epirus or Epirots, but whatsoever never Slav or serb. Now if we look more carefully to the words of Scanderbeg, he says: "Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep" and then " If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep."
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 16, 2011 7:51:30 GMT -5
he was MACEDONIAN .....no such word of Greek existed back then otherwise no comment e taka te bidva momche ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) bravos...imalo vistinski Makedonski Albanci Makidonia Macedonian? Hellagollalolo!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2011 8:53:19 GMT -5
Albanian: *Skenderbeg *Hamza Kastrioti *Ali Pasha *Kara Murad Pasha Bosnian: *Tvrtko I of Bosnia *Stjepan Vukcic Kosaca Bulgarian: *Delyo *Chavdar *Indzhe Voyvoda *Karposh Croatian: *Nikola Subic Zrinski *Ivo Senjanin *Mijat Tomic *Mila Gojsalic *Nikola Jurisic *Nikola Tavelic *Marko Krizin Greek: *Theodoros Kolokotronis *Georgios Karaiskakis *Markos Botsaris *Athanasios Diakos *Nikitas Stamatelopoulos *Odysseas Androutsos *Antonis Katsantonis *Basil II *Hayreddin Barbarossa Serbian: *Jovan Nenad *Starina Novak *Stanoje Glavas *Stojan Cupic *Veljko Petrovic *Stephen Uro� IV Dusan the Mighty *Đorđe �agić *Saint Sava * note: I don't know people from most of these countries so I don't know 100% if they're considered heroes. you missed the pre 1800 part, but its ok ;D BARBAROSSA ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2011 8:54:26 GMT -5
BTW Where the funk is Milos Obilic and Marko Kraljevic and the Mrnjavcevic brothers??? PS The bosnians you mentioned were Serbs.
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Post by punisher on Dec 16, 2011 8:55:48 GMT -5
BTW Where the funk is Milos Obilic and Marko Kraljevic and the Mrnjavcevic brothers??? PS The bosnians you mentioned were Serbs. shouldn't you instead be looking at the greek heros instead of the serb ones LOOOOOOOL
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Post by Moe Lester on Dec 16, 2011 9:04:49 GMT -5
BTW Where the funk is Milos Obilic and Marko Kraljevic and the Mrnjavcevic brothers??? PS Oh crap! I told myself I have to add them in when I get to the Serbs. I forgot ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png) The bosnians you mentioned were Serbs. It's becoming really hard to treat you like an adult. you missed the pre 1800 part, but its ok ;D They were all born before 1800's, or did you want them to be dead before 1800? BARBAROSSA ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ;D ;D ;D ;D Supposedly he had Albanian ancestry. I just added him in because I like him. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2011 9:59:18 GMT -5
BTW Where the funk is Milos Obilic and Marko Kraljevic and the Mrnjavcevic brothers??? PS The bosnians you mentioned were Serbs. shouldn't you instead be looking at the greek heros instead of the serb ones LOOOOOOOL he wont for obvious reasons (panties) and bcs all on that list of greeks are not greek but Albanians and vlachs
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2011 10:20:31 GMT -5
www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonian-wineries-close-despite-good-intentionsMacedonia's Wine Trade Loses its Sparkle
A quarter of Macedonia’s wineries face closure this year - ironically after government advertisements used the example of wineries to encourage entrepreneurship.see what I am talking about ....the slav goverment has/is/will spend millions and millions of Euros for fake history making instead of subsidizing and advertising for agriculture farmers product to be exported ......WAKE UP ALL OF MACEDONIA! they dont push export to Italy and other countries for product of Macedonia they seek sculptors and bronze makers so to throw money at them ....and also most likely skim some money off the deals 4sure you cannot eat the monuments ...all that comes out of it is confusion for yourselves and laughter from your neighbors at you and you expect Albanians and other groups within Macedonia to pay for your fakeness with extra taxations Macedonia can do both. We are being led and governed much better now then under the SDSM commies... do both ....? then be ready to pay the prices 1 price is the price ...your goverment wont even tell you exactly how much its costing ... 2nd price is that you are too late to the game of history making we all laugh all around you
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2011 10:26:05 GMT -5
he was MACEDONIAN .....no such word of Greek existed back then otherwise no comment e taka te bidva momche ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) bravos...imalo vistinski Makedonski Albanci ahhahahaha dont get the wrong impression here .... *ancient Macedon is not the greeks of yesteryear and especially not the neo greeks Macedons raped and pillaged greece ancient balkans and subjugated them and then put their face on their coins ...they feared the ILLYRIAN AND THRACIAN PEOPLE , they pissed their gowns at the mention of them and of course southern slavs cannot be Macedons ...you didnt exist there ....Common knowledge ...you just took the geographic name simple as that ...like calling me an American
Macedon .....not you obviously and surely not the greeks ILLYRIANS + THRACIANS = MACEDONS MA KE DON 3 simple Albanians words for you another freebee I LIR = free person Thracian = loud ones thrac / thracin now ,if your an Illyrian turned slav by language then I apologize and welcome my Macedon brat ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 16, 2011 10:57:15 GMT -5
It's becoming really hard to treat you like an adult. BARBAROSSA ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ;D ;D ;D ;D Supposedly he had Albanian ancestry. I just added him in because I like him. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) You surely have your way man.... to leave ppl speechless....
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2011 10:59:01 GMT -5
now for example if it was us Albanians arguing with the neo greeks that we are Macedons ....we would of accomplished it with no problems and it would be a shut case ......the Illyrian/Thracian connections
but southern slavs ....its just silly and embarrassing
certain Bulgars can claim somewhat as well bcs of melted in Thracians
so your better off claiming Bulgarianism to make it possibly work
the problem was when politics/religion referred to you simply by geographic location such as ....Pirin macedonian /agean macedonians
the roosters and donkeys in Prilep are Macedonian as well today
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Post by atdhetar on Dec 16, 2011 13:35:43 GMT -5
identity is very important, especially when your neighbours are challenging your existence... especially when your identity doesn't exist
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 16, 2011 13:46:17 GMT -5
ILLYRIANS + THRACIANS = MACEDONS=Greeks
The Yorouks, also Yuruks or Yörüks (Greek: Γιουρούκοι, Bulgarian: юруци, Macedonian: Јуруци, Turkish: Yörük) are immigrants, ultimately of Thracian descent .
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Post by rex362 on Dec 16, 2011 14:43:20 GMT -5
ILLYRIANS + THRACIANS = MACEDONS=Greeks The Yorouks, also Yuruks or Yörüks (Greek: Γιουρούκοι, Bulgarian: юруци, Macedonian: Јуруци, Turkish: Yörük) are immigrants, ultimately of Thracian descent . well yea ..I give you that bcs ..... todays Greeks = Albanians + slavs+Vlachs+Asia Minor+Middle eastern ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -This messaged is approved by Pyrros -
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Post by Hellenas on Dec 16, 2011 15:14:58 GMT -5
Greek autosomal DNAA striking demonstration of the persistence of the Greek genetic signature through time can be found in [1]. The figure on the right is the 4th principal component of variation in Europe and shows a strong cline centered in Greece. Not only is the Greek genetic legacy clearly detectible today, but it is detectible among not only the Greeks, but all their neighboring populations of partial Greek ancestry:![](http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/Hellas1/pc4.jpg) THE FOURTH is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C. racialreality.110mb.com/genetic_variation.html28 different European and American universities under the leadership of Cambridge Universite have prove that modern Greeks have the same DNA like Ancient Greeks and that the Greeks descend from the Greeks of antiquity who lived inside of Greece and outside of Greece, our neighbors are racially, partly, pretty Greeks. In numbers, 98% of modern Greeks descend from people who had Greek DNA and only 2% from people who had non-Greek DNA. Very soon these studies will see the light. Carleton S. Coon:The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII13.htm
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Post by missanthropology58 on Dec 16, 2011 15:49:03 GMT -5
Greek autosomal DNAA striking demonstration of the persistence of the Greek genetic signature through time can be found in [1]. The figure on the right is the 4th principal component of variation in Europe and shows a strong cline centered in Greece. Not only is the Greek genetic legacy clearly detectible today, but it is detectible among not only the Greeks, but all their neighboring populations of partial Greek ancestry:![](http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/Hellas1/pc4.jpg) THE FOURTH is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C. racialreality.110mb.com/genetic_variation.html28 different European and American universities under the leadership of Cambridge Universite have prove that modern Greeks have the same DNA like Ancient Greeks and that the Greeks descend from the Greeks of antiquity who lived inside of Greece and outside of Greece, our neighbors are racially, partly, pretty Greeks. In numbers, 98% of modern Greeks descend from people who had Greek DNA and only 2% from people who had non-Greek DNA. Very soon these studies will see the light. Carleton S. Coon:The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-XII13.htm Agreed.
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Post by Sokol on Dec 18, 2011 17:51:31 GMT -5
now for example if it was us Albanians arguing with the neo greeks that we are Macedons ....we would of accomplished it with no problems and it would be a shut case ......the Illyrian/Thracian connections but southern slavs ....its just silly and embarrassing certain Bulgars can claim somewhat as well bcs of melted in Thracians so your better off claiming Bulgarianism to make it possibly work the problem was when politics/religion referred to you simply by geographic location such as ....Pirin macedonian /agean macedonians the roosters and donkeys in Prilep are Macedonian as well today careful rexy with your pro-bulgar stances. be careful what you wish for. the bulgars in ww2 rejoiced in the slaughter of shiptar scum. i know because my grandfathers served in the bg army....you are sadly mistaken if you believe that bulgars support you. they play politics like all in the balkans, but if they were to take r. macedonia - trust me, you shiptars would be far worse off...i notice your maps include ohrid and bitola...tsk tsk tsk don't get too cocky and piss of the bulgars with such maps...
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Post by srbobran on Dec 18, 2011 19:20:09 GMT -5
^Did they serve willingly or unwillingly in the Bulgarian Army?
My grandpa was a partisan in southern Kosovo. He told me he actually fought in conjunction with Macedonian partisans that operated in the area quite a bit.
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