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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 13:28:25 GMT -5
Germany is the only reason Greece isn't a complete jungle today. And remember what happened last time people try to unfairly put the burden of payment on the Germans? Do you really want another Germany awakening? German industry already paid for the Reich's destruction and more by being the economic powerhouse it was throughout the cold war and is today. Germany is the only reason the EU can still claim any kind of fortitude. It will be interesting days ahead when the Germans finally wake up and stop giving welfare to these lazy mediterranean governments. But i agree with you that germany should do their thing...... German taxpayers dont deserve high burdends, Germany should be good for its citizens not for EU-Burocrats Exactly right. The Greek people , if they truly claim to be the children of that beautiful ancient Greek culture , need to STFU and realize that nobody owes them a living. The Greeks ought to get rid of these lazy theiving goons in their government and stop believing posers that make them promises of a 'free living' which simply isn't realistic. The Germans have always been pragmatic and realistic except when they were unfairly treated like crap after WW1 and a coward and liar like Hitler could sooth them into delusions of grandure. German realism is why they have been so dominant and powerful as a culture and civilization.
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Post by king on Dec 21, 2011 13:30:21 GMT -5
I like Germans. I live in Austria, Austrians are similar to Southern Germans. They are a german speaking people and culturally and ethnically german. BUT im not ethnically austrian, im just a gypsy living here, but my history here brought me closer to german culture
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 13:35:54 GMT -5
You point to some exceptions and think it's the rule. Greek culture is heavily middle eastern influenced rather than vice versa. I used to think the Turks copied the Greeks in terms of music and expressions but then I look away from Anatolia and to the Altaic range , the heartland of Turk peoples , and this so called 'Greekness' is found all over. Ancient Greece would culturally resemble classical Germany far more than post Byzantine Greece. Hate to break it to ya but the Greeks had very little to do with the direction of Europe for the last couple thousand years or so. They are not the same nation as Aristotle. Sorry. Slavs and Germanics carried Europe since the ancients effectively died out. Are you German? If you are than thats arrogant of you. And its revisionism, rewriting history. Let me answer your questions: I'm not German , I'm Croat ( Slav or at least slavophone). And I'm not trying to be arrogant , I'm simply explaning how it was/is. There is a very good reason why modern Greece is a rather weak and insignificant nation when compared to Germany or any of the Germanic ( and Slavic) countries today. Ancient Greece was a great civilization , nobody denies this , but it hasn't been around for OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS. Europe wasn't carried on the back of Greeks and Romans anymore. What was left of Rome was salvaged by the Germanics and morphed into something new and original. The church isn't Roman that much , its only called that since the Vatikan is in Rome. The modern church began its real existence after the acceptence of Christianity by the Franks and the 'Holy Roman Empire' was born. All the major nations of western and central Europe ( the heart of classical Europe) France , Germany , U.K. , were all pieces of Charlemange's legacy. And Greece? Well just look at it today. Just look at it. Orientalized fragment shell of its former glorious self.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 13:41:49 GMT -5
I like Germans. I live in Austria, Austrians are similar to Southern Germans. They are a german speaking people and culturally and ethnically german. BUT im not ethnically austrian, im just a gypsy living here, but my history here brought me closer to german culture They are all of the same stock. You don't have to be 'ethnically whatever' to appreciate and contribute to the success of civilizaiton. IMO the Gypsies , being originally of India , already have a legacy of greatness to look back on. In the West we only hear about the great civilizations of Europe but INDIA often times was where all the action was at. India has such a rich history that its often times way more facinating to me than Europe. The Gypsies chose to live in voluntary poverty as part of some strange customs which is why they could never really amount to much after they left India. The traveler lifestyle necessarily has limits.
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Post by king on Dec 21, 2011 13:45:25 GMT -5
Are you German? If you are than thats arrogant of you. And its revisionism, rewriting history. Let me answer your questions: I'm not German , I'm Croat ( Slav or at least slavophone). And I'm not trying to be arrogant , I'm simply explaning how it was/is. There is a very good reason why modern Greece is a rather weak and insignificant nation when compared to Germany or any of the Germanic ( and Slavic) countries today. Ancient Greece was a great civilization , nobody denies this , but it hasn't been around for OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS. Europe wasn't carried on the back of Greeks and Romans anymore. What was left of Rome was salvaged by the Germanics and morphed into something new and original. The church isn't Roman that much , its only called that since the Vatikan is in Rome. The modern church began its real existence after the acceptence of Christianity by the Franks and the 'Holy Roman Empire' was born. All the major nations of western and central Europe ( the heart of classical Europe) France , Germany , U.K. , were all pieces of Charlemange's legacy. And Greece? Well just look at it today. Just look at it. Orientalized fragment shell of its former glorious self. I leave that argument to an greek person to respond. Im just a gypsy. But i just want to add that croats were also long in their history under western european/austrian=germanophone domination. So you shouldnt be to enthusiastic about germans i think, just because you were allies with germany in the second world war, there were also greeks and serbs and even indian volunteeers fighting for germans. ps: thank you for the part on gypsies.
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Post by punisher on Dec 21, 2011 13:55:29 GMT -5
priso,slavs didn't keep europe white or strong bcs if i'm not mistaking russia or in that time the ussr was not so white.and russia was/is against a strong europe.gypsies should have stayed in india but that didn't happen,but i'm seeing much progress they're start to integrate and go to schools but it isn't their fault totally bcs they're treated very bad and live in very bad circumstances.i only dislike the gypsies of dardania bcs they have commited much crimes on the kosovalbs,they've robbed the houses,and have massacred along with the chetnickmonsters.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 13:57:00 GMT -5
Why does it have to be a Greek person? I don't care to argue with Greeks or anyone based on ethnicity. I care to have a discussion with a counterpart that has a brain. And puh-leeze , spare me that Croat-German friendship BS. That's not the reason I said any of this stuff. I was making an observation of the past is all.
German means nothing to me actually and neither do traditional alliances. I have no innate hate of Serbs , Greeks , or Gypsies either so some being friends with Germans isn't gonna make me like or the other a little less/more. That would be pretty pathetic don't you think? I know some Greeks , in particular this one gentlemen who is a very good painter but he is addicted to porn and tries to hide that fact from his wife , lol. He's an easy going guy though and always brightens the atmosphere but yeah , he looks like he could be Syrian or something , short , mustache , dark complection , etc. When I look at him I don't think the people of Aristotle , I think OPA and oriental dancing!
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Post by king on Dec 21, 2011 13:58:50 GMT -5
aristotle was an short dark man, so yes its the same guy
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Post by punisher on Dec 21, 2011 13:58:56 GMT -5
germany,uk and france and the other northern states are the backbone of europe and many countries around the world and people don't forget that the eu gives financial help to the developing countries like china,russia,brasil and india.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 14:04:11 GMT -5
priso,slavs didn't keep europe white or strong bcs if i'm not mistaking russia or in that time the ussr was not so white.and russia was/is against a strong europe.gypsies should have stayed in india but that didn't happen,but i'm seeing much progress they're start to integrate and go to schools but it isn't their fault totally bcs they're treated very bad and live in very bad circumstances.i only dislike the gypsies of dardania bcs they have commited much crimes on the kosovalbs,they've robbed the houses,and have massacred along with the chetnickmonsters. Listen , you gotta think about what you're saying and read what I'm actually writing. This has nothing to do with USSR. My point was that Eastern Europe was carried by the Slavs while western Europe was carried by the Germanics, full stop. And the Gypsies chose voluntarily to live in poverty , it is their custom. It would be rather absurd to think we owe them a living simply because they chose not to abandon some of their customs. Even though they are poor they are mostly peaceful people and always have been and I personally never thought of them negatively.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Dec 21, 2011 14:07:46 GMT -5
aristotle was an short dark man, so yes its the same guy Everyone back then was notably shorter than today. The average height in modern times has more than tripled since then. My point is that I don't see this philosophical ancient civilization anywhere in their modern expressions of their culture.
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Post by punisher on Dec 21, 2011 14:11:49 GMT -5
priso,slavs didn't keep europe white or strong bcs if i'm not mistaking russia or in that time the ussr was not so white.and russia was/is against a strong europe.gypsies should have stayed in india but that didn't happen,but i'm seeing much progress they're start to integrate and go to schools but it isn't their fault totally bcs they're treated very bad and live in very bad circumstances.i only dislike the gypsies of dardania bcs they have commited much crimes on the kosovalbs,they've robbed the houses,and have massacred along with the chetnickmonsters. Listen , you gotta think about what you're saying and read what I'm actually writing. This has nothing to do with USSR. My point was that Eastern Europe was carried by the Slavs while western Europe was carried by the Germanics, full stop. And the Gypsies chose voluntarily to live in poverty , it is their custom. It would be rather absurd to think we owe them a living simply because they chose not to abandon some of their customs. Even though they are poor they are mostly peaceful people and always have been and I personally never thought of them negatively. but eastern europe used to be strong when it was under ussr control wich wasn't a white nation,stalin himself wasn't white atall.slavs have been under germanic control like always(no insult intended),it's foolish to think that eastern europe is strong,but if you mean the majority in easterneurope is slavic you're right.the gypsies didn't chose to leave the ottomans brought them here.
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Post by king on Dec 21, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
greece is a first wolrd country and is long in EU much longer than croatia....greece is in nato, greece is an ordinary rather developed [compared to world standards] country, currently they were hit economically but so was island and hungary
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Post by punisher on Dec 21, 2011 14:14:34 GMT -5
greece is a first wolrd country and is long in EU much longer than croatia....greece is in nato, greece is an ordinary rather developed [compared to world standards] country, currently they were hit economically but so was island and hungarygreece isn't poor compared to balkan but it is poor compared to north europe.this is the truth
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Post by king on Dec 21, 2011 14:17:24 GMT -5
yes.....
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