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Post by Anittas on Jan 24, 2012 22:26:19 GMT -5
To say that people shouldn't be punished for their stand on the matter is quite different from implying that it doesn't matter whether the massacre was committed.
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Post by uz on Jan 24, 2012 22:34:56 GMT -5
To say that people shouldn't be punished for their stand on the matter is quite different from implying that it doesn't matter whether the massacre was committed. The debate doesn't matter. Neither of us can provide hard-evidence of whether it did or did not occur. We can only provide others' perspective.
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Post by Anittas on Jan 24, 2012 23:36:42 GMT -5
In what way does the debate not matter? Because obviously you like to start discussions on Srebenica. This is, after all, not the first time you use Srebenica as an example in a discussion.
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Post by as on Jan 25, 2012 0:42:57 GMT -5
While the Ottomans did try to systematiclly exterminate the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek presence in Anotolia, passing a law which criminlises it's denial is just plain stupid and does not help the Armenians in the end. In fact it strengthens the Turkish governemnt
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jan 25, 2012 12:08:34 GMT -5
Denying a genocide is highly related to one's political motives.
After all, human history is full of genocides and large scale massacres. So, we should all agree that human beings are capable of committing sheer violence.
Respectfully, we must agree that most Armenians died during the WWI are the victims of policies of the Committee of Union and Progress, and we should be respectful in relation to the memories of all innocent people died during such violent episodes of human history.
I think, how a certain country or a political wing formulates its stance should not matter. What matters is how one perceives the misdeeds and how one could recall such tragedies in a humanly manner.
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Post by elemag on Jan 25, 2012 19:11:22 GMT -5
I want to support Janny. All wrongs in human history start from the wrondoings of Belgians in Congo that influenced all wrongdoings before or after that.
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Post by uz on Jan 26, 2012 0:08:33 GMT -5
In what way does the debate not matter? Because obviously you like to start discussions on Srebenica. This is, after all, not the first time you use Srebenica as an example in a discussion. Exactly, i used Srebrenica as an example and you stuck with that, missing the bigger picture.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jan 26, 2012 3:41:53 GMT -5
I want to support Janny. All wrongs in human history start from the wrondoings of Belgians in Congo that influenced all wrongdoings before or after that. Obongo doesn't care about the Congo.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jan 26, 2012 3:43:22 GMT -5
Why the hell would they detain your Grandfather, you're not a Yid are you? They detained him because he was the enemy, he fought against the Germans and it was during battle they ambushed him and a few others. Jews were not the only ones being sent to concentration camps. Slavs were sent there too. Oh yeah, Jesus dude sorry.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jan 26, 2012 3:44:43 GMT -5
I'ts rubbish anyway, I see Bosnians and Serbians as pretty much the same people. Both are hot enough to me. You know I don't give a fuck about religion it's about who's physically attractive.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jan 26, 2012 12:20:40 GMT -5
and I want to say thank you for your support, Ruse.
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Post by toskaliku711 on Mar 13, 2012 13:54:55 GMT -5
The French should not throw stones: "Turkey, for its part, accuses France of ignoring its own crimes perpetrated during an Algerian war that claimed more than a million lives (Algeria's count) or at least 300,000 lives (in France's reckoning) -- a discrepancy ironically symmetrical with contested counts of Armenian fatalities in Turkey." "Concerning France's undeclared war in Algeria, President Nicolas Sarkozy all but shrugged prior to his sole visit to Algeria in 2007. True, he told an interviewer that many suffered in the conflict, but "I'm for a recognition of the facts, but not for repentance, which is a religious notion that has no place in relations between states." To date, there has been no official apology for France's violent repression and use of torture in the war, so Algerians have repeatedly complained. Even as national leaders are held to heightened standards of moral responsibility, they tend to duck for cover in traditional formulas for avoiding or narrowing blame. I have developed a score card of sorts describing the six degrees of contrition, ranging from virtual dismissal to full embrace." www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/03/12/the_politics_of_sorry
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 26, 2012 18:06:00 GMT -5
Ehem...Nobody updated this thread eh?
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 25, 2012 6:55:16 GMT -5
That's right, I agree here with you. There are people who stay behind the cutain, behind the scenes. No doubts, there are people who control how we should form our beliefs and way of thinking. And for some reasons certain issues it shall be constantly written and spoken about. (Since for certain other things it should be kept constantly quiet). These same people created wars and supported the growing antagonism between ppl, etc. No democracy, my friend, the masses have always been controlled!
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