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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 5, 2012 19:15:26 GMT -5
Axha Rex......come on mannnn!!!!!!! Makedoni nuk ka besë.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 5, 2012 19:32:14 GMT -5
prit prit edhe pak ....o tja leshoj un mevon
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 5, 2012 20:05:26 GMT -5
^Si te thuash ti.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 6, 2012 10:26:44 GMT -5
So Chento what has to be done on your team is a soft switch of the rhetoric of ancient Macedons toward your very recent recent ancestral lands that of course are true within greece today .... us Albs are in mode already and have been .....we always in mode ;D
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 10:53:31 GMT -5
if we try to correct the histories of just the last 200 years you ok
you have the juice for that
forget the last 2000....no juice /running on empty
lets be realistic
and it being a joint effort would be strong
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 11:08:55 GMT -5
we cannot redo the 1923 population exchange between turkey & greece but the least we can do is recognition of the misdeed and possibly being able to visit where our recent ancestors once lived and the area where there bones might rest
and it will stop them greeks that came from turkey from calling us newcomers when fact is they are the newcomers and on our lands
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 14:31:54 GMT -5
we understand that the Anatolian and Pontian Christians had their own bad plights and their effect caused our effect ......call it unfair or whatever ,it is what it is ....
but today when they call us both newcomers while they are siting on our old fertile soils and calling themselves the ancients of that land....well that just don't fly / NE MOZE
like some of our greek forum members here (they know who they are ) who are of these people and then teach us our history on our lands ....fukn ludicrous isn't it
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 14:39:43 GMT -5
Chento Brat ....where are you
see this is the main cause ....what happen the last 200 years not 2000 years and this we can attain ....what your people are doing with the identity thing is wrong completely and unfruitful in what actually really matters ..
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Post by Sokol on Jan 7, 2012 18:45:19 GMT -5
Zdravo rexi. Been busy celebrating Christmas here. Actually for us it's not just those that have left/were forced out of their homes, it's those that remain in Aegean Macedonia. We are talking hundreds of thousands of Slavic speakers in Greece. Greece has had 100 years to pump most of their heads full of anti-Slavic, pro-Greek propaganda, to the point where most believe they are Slavophone Greeks. This needs to be reversed and these Slavic Macedonians learn their true history and language. Greece must recognise them as a minority and allow them to study their language and practice their religion in their own language. This is where the name issue and identity politics has it's roots. It is this very issue that Greece is afraid of, as it ultimatley threatens it's hold of this territory. Greece knows we can't liberate our brothers on our own, but we can allie with nations that can help in this cause...could be Bulgarians, Turks, Albanians or all of the above....
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Post by punisher on Jan 7, 2012 18:50:16 GMT -5
war is not the solution,these kind of things need to be solved by dialogue,bcs look at yugo when you use war to achieve your gold,you never will accomplish your gold bcs the lost will be to big.we need to talk about this and try to reason with them.War should be a last measure or actually it shouldn't be a measure atall.it's easy to talk about war but it's a whole other story to be in a war.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 7, 2012 19:09:22 GMT -5
war is not the solution,these kind of things need to be solved by dialogue,bcs look at yugo when you use war to achieve your gold,you never will accomplish your gold bcs the lost will be to big.we need to talk about this and try to reason with them.War should be a last measure or actually it shouldn't be a measure atall.it's easy to talk about war but it's a whole other story to be in a war. agreed, war is not the solution. Macedonians in Greece have good working relationships with the other minorities of Greece - Vlachs, Turks, Pomaks...but I don't think Albanians are part of this. The approach followed by the minorities has been a slowly, slowly approach. It has worked to some extent, in that there is no physical threat to the ethnic Macedonian existence, but there remains discrimination, especially to those claiming their ethnic Macedonian heritage.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 20:22:54 GMT -5
Chento I sent you a private message a few days ago with a name he can tell you how much Albanians are part of
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 20:25:07 GMT -5
Shqipni13 edhe Puisher
bre u ndec kju miku
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Post by rex362 on Jan 7, 2012 20:49:00 GMT -5
well now that you mentioned it the Bulgarians have good history and strong documentation of the movement of their people out of what now is greece .....thats why now I might sound crazy to you but this is the key
the grek fears this issue more than say the country name of Macedonia and for this issue to gain any momentum I suggest the whole ancient identity thing stop and the fast paced action of acknowledging Bulgarianism should take place among the Mac Slavs .....
BUT HOLD ON !....I know what your thinking and regardless if UZ comes here and says "I told you so about baba rex "
this is the tool that will *Enable .... .nothing else will better,faster or cleaner for this issue ....after and when this issue is in progress we are all Macedonians at the end of the day ..
*The Enabler regardless if its sweet ,sour or bitter ....whatever it takes for this issue bottom line
Chento ...do you understand where I am going with this
your honest opinion needed
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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2012 19:40:21 GMT -5
well now that you mentioned it the Bulgarians have good history and strong documentation of the movement of their people out of what now is greece .....thats why now I might sound crazy to you but this is the key the grek fears this issue more than say the country name of Macedonia and for this issue to gain any momentum I suggest the whole ancient identity thing stop and the fast paced action of acknowledging Bulgarianism should take place among the Mac Slavs ..... BUT HOLD ON !....I know what your thinking and regardless if UZ comes here and says "I told you so about baba rex " this is the tool that will *Enable .... .nothing else will better,faster or cleaner for this issue ....after and when this issue is in progress we are all Macedonians at the end of the day .. *The Enabler regardless if its sweet ,sour or bitter ....whatever it takes for this issue bottom line Chento ...do you understand where I am going with this your honest opinion needed A united and independent Macedonian state is much more apealing than a greater-bulgaria. We do not wish to be ruled by Sofia, but wish to be ruled by ourselves. We are Macedonians, and not Bulgarians.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 8, 2012 19:49:54 GMT -5
poleka bre poleka
not talking about greater anything here ....simply talking about whatever needs to be done to accomplish set goals
and like I said earlier ....at the end of the day you can be whatever you want
dealers choice
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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2012 21:11:29 GMT -5
poleka bre poleka not talking about greater anything here ....simply talking about whatever needs to be done to accomplish set goals and like I said earlier ....at the end of the day you can be whatever you want dealers choice Becoming Bulgarian will not accomplish anything, other than wetting the appetites of the Bulgars. The oppressed Macedonian minority of Greece has more chance of achieving it's aims, without the involvement of the Macedonian and Bulgarian states. I'm sure the Kosovo Albanians would not have been as successful, if Albania was doing their bidding.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 8, 2012 21:49:46 GMT -5
^You're wrong. Albania helped immensely.
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Post by Sokol on Jan 8, 2012 21:57:19 GMT -5
^You're wrong. Albania helped immensely. how? did it send troops, did it negotiate a settlement, did it represent the albanians in negotiations??? no, for it did, then it would have been a clear war between serbia and albania, and guess what the result would have been... that is why a repressed minority, battling a large state apparatus, has more chance of success.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 8, 2012 22:10:29 GMT -5
There were crossings at the border non stop. UÇK had bases set up in Albania. All the old Soviet era weapons (haha) at least came to some use.
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