ivo
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nicetas
Feb 22, 2012 14:06:16 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 22, 2012 14:06:16 GMT -5
You're looking for a dick measuring contest. Though I told you many times before, your perception of me is irrelevant. Feel free to think of me as the biggest retard that ever existed.
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nicetas
Feb 22, 2012 14:13:48 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 22, 2012 14:13:48 GMT -5
Yes, my perception of you is irrelevant, but your perception of me is law. Dude, get the F out of here! What dick measuring contest, you pussy? You want me to measure how deep my dick can penetrate your mouth? No, thanks, I don't swing that way--even with your effeminate qualities.
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ioan
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Feb 22, 2012 14:26:33 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 22, 2012 14:26:33 GMT -5
Who the fuck are u to decide who stays or who leaves in a bulgarian forum? go to the roma forum where you can discuss your "history" in 6th century based on a 20 century "source". You are good in that!
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nicetas
Feb 22, 2012 14:30:55 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 22, 2012 14:30:55 GMT -5
Stop barking, you little dog! You just bark to hear your echo. It sounds powerful, doesn't it? Meh, maybe not so much. If you're not skillful when adopting an agressive attitude, better remain humble and calm. You barely managed to make youself understood, why raise the bar?
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ivo
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nicetas
Feb 22, 2012 14:31:30 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 22, 2012 14:31:30 GMT -5
My my so colourful. Yet you still fail to realize that you dance when I want you to dance.
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ioan
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Feb 22, 2012 14:46:37 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 22, 2012 14:46:37 GMT -5
Stop barking, you little dog! You just bark to hear your echo. It sounds powerful, doesn't it? Meh, maybe not so much. If you're not skillful when adopting an agressive attitude, better remain humble and calm. You barely managed to make youself understood, why raise the bar? its deffinately a step up from you,you still make no fucking sense you hater.
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nicetas
Feb 23, 2012 1:54:03 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 23, 2012 1:54:03 GMT -5
One Wallachian compared to the several centuries of Bulgarian rule over you and your women? Well, I can accept that. That is an imaginary Bulgarian domination based on lack of sources and modern maps drawn from imagination. There is an interesting account of the Romanians (Aromanians or today), north of Phthiotis, by Benjamin of Tudela around 1170. "From there it is a day's journey to Sinon Potamo, where there are about fifty Jews, at their head being R. Solomon and R. Jacob. The city is situated at the foot of the hills of Wallachia. The nation called Wallachians live in those mountains. They are as swift as hinds, and they sweep down from the mountains to despoil and ravage the land of Greece. No man can go up and do battle against them, and no king can rule over them. They do not hold fast to the faith of the Nazarenes, but give themselves Jewish names. Some people say that they are Jews, and, in fact, they call the Jews their brethren, and when they meet with them, though they rob them, they refrain from killing them as they kill the Greeks. They are altogether lawless."Yet the mighty Bolgars ruled over them ... in Ruse's dreams.
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elemag
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Feb 23, 2012 4:26:09 GMT -5
Post by elemag on Feb 23, 2012 4:26:09 GMT -5
This place you are talking about seems to be somewhere in Central Greece. Your point? That there were Vlah settlements in Greece? Who denied that?
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nicetas
Feb 23, 2012 9:51:16 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 23, 2012 9:51:16 GMT -5
It gives a glimpse on how some if not all Romanians manage to survive on these colorful modern maps where for several centuries we see only Avars, Bulgars, etc.
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ivo
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Feb 23, 2012 10:39:52 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 23, 2012 10:39:52 GMT -5
The maps you see, much like the books you read (if you really do read) are based on historic accounts. Imagination has nothing to do with it, all the information is based on sources written during those times.. a large chunk of them are Byzantine sources. With regards to Bulgaria, nearly all of our history has been recorded by Byzantine sources.
So unless you're willing to dedicate half of your life researching all historic accounts written throughout the centuries, then you'd have to stick to modern books. But don't worry, many scholars have dedicated their lives researching these topics and their findings concur on the final conclusions.
Your people are not on the early maps, because your people were of no political significance. Until the 14th centuries, you were usually residing within the territories of various political entities. This includes Old Great Bulgaria, the First Bulgarian Empire, and the Second Bulgarian Empire.
With regards to the Second Bulgarian Empire, your people have been noted to have served as support contingents in the Bulgarian armies along with the Cumans.. but again, this is later in history.
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nicetas
Feb 23, 2012 10:49:33 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 23, 2012 10:49:33 GMT -5
1265 map, Great Wallachia and Wallachian Thessaly
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ivo
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Feb 23, 2012 10:55:20 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 23, 2012 10:55:20 GMT -5
Ok, so it was the 13th c.
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elemag
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Feb 23, 2012 11:05:02 GMT -5
Post by elemag on Feb 23, 2012 11:05:02 GMT -5
Just one question. Is this the correct year because from what I read in 1230 Wallachian Thessaly was absorbed by the Desporate of Epirus.
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Feb 23, 2012 11:10:42 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 23, 2012 11:10:42 GMT -5
Just one question. Is this the correct year because from what I read in 1230 Wallachian Thessaly was absorbed by the Desporate of Epirus. It was, but then it reappeared again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wallachia
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Feb 23, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 23, 2012 11:12:27 GMT -5
Ok, so it was the 13th c. Nah, it was rather 12th century for Thessaly Wallachia. Only this map shows the year 1265. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_WallachiaAnd read about their origins. My, my, Ivo the expert on our history gets the centuries wrong. Over and over again.
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ivo
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Feb 23, 2012 11:26:01 GMT -5
Post by ivo on Feb 23, 2012 11:26:01 GMT -5
Don't get a hard on now. If we talk about Thessaly Wallachia, then we might as well be talking about Volga Bulgaria.
And as for Wallachia itself, it was the 13th century that it became something of political significance.. the late 13th c., around the 1290's. And it was not until the 14th c. that it actually became a independent political entity.
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Feb 23, 2012 11:33:47 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 23, 2012 11:33:47 GMT -5
We have been talking about Volga Bulgaria, so yes, we can just as well be talking about Thessaly Wallachia. Still, the difference is shorter between the Vlachs who invaded Thessaly from the region around the Danube, and the Bulgars all the way from Volga--who in the meantime mixed with other people on the way.
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Feb 23, 2012 12:08:05 GMT -5
Post by ioan on Feb 23, 2012 12:08:05 GMT -5
There is an interesting account of the Romanians (Aromanians or today), north of Phthiotis, by Benjamin of Tudela around 1170. "From there it is a day's journey to Sinon Potamo, where there are about fifty Jews, at their head being R. Solomon and R. Jacob. The city is situated at the foot of the hills of Wallachia. The nation called Wallachians live in those mountains. They are as swift as hinds, and they sweep down from the mountains to despoil and ravage the land of Greece. No man can go up and do battle against them, and no king can rule over them. They do not hold fast to the faith of the Nazarenes, but give themselves Jewish names. Some people say that they are Jews, and, in fact, they call the Jews their brethren, and when they meet with them, though they rob them, they refrain from killing them as they kill the Greeks. They are altogether lawless."Yet the mighty Bolgars ruled over them ... in Ruse's dreams. I see couple of problems with this "source": 1. its about Aromanians (Vlahs) all the way down in Greece and NOT ABOUT ROMANIANS NORTH OF THE DANUBE. 2. its the same as I using a source about Ukrainians or Serbs and applying to to the Bulgarians, why: both Bulgarians and Ukrainians/Serbs are slavic people, into both people the slavs played major role (actually probably the same slavs took part in ethnogenesis in both Ukrainians and Bulgarians: Antes and the slavs that took part in ethnogenesis of Serbs and Bulgars were very similar/related) and those slavs gave its speach to Bulgarians/Serbs/Ukrainians and mixed with different people: in the case of the Bulgarians: with Bulgars/Thracians, in the case of the Serbs: with Serboi/Illyrians, in the case of Ukrainians: with Cimmerians, Scythians, and Sarmatians. 3. both Romanians and Aromanians are romance speaking people, into both people the romans played a role and the romans gave its speach to Romanians/Aromanians and mixed with different people: in the case of the Romanians: with Dacans/Slavs/Cumans/Avars/Bulgars, in the case of the Aromanians: with Greeks/Thracians/Illyrians. 4. Again Cather is using a SOURCE from 11th CENTURY about DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO THE ROMANIANS about the ROMANIANS in 5th/6th CENTURY (because he talks about the relations of Romanians with Avars/Bulgars). I ll say it again: I know your sources are scarce but do stick at least with the same people/same century!!!!
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Feb 23, 2012 12:18:48 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Feb 23, 2012 12:18:48 GMT -5
Stop being a moron. In those days, we were the same people. The Vlachs who founded Thessaly Wallachia came from the region around the Danube, thus they were from our region. Again, read the sources that were presented to you and don't play the expert, because you are not knowledgeable.
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Feb 23, 2012 13:01:27 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Feb 23, 2012 13:01:27 GMT -5
I agree at that time Daco-Romanians and Aromanians spoke the same language. Even today the basic vocabulary is almost the same. Yet some clear Aromanian features were already present at the time. There are some important figures during the Komnenos dynasty who have Aromanian names. One of those is Basil Tzintziloukes, a general of Manuel I Komnenos, who defeated a Hungarian army. We know the Aromanian pronounce „cinci” (five) as „ţinţi” (tzintzi), that seem to be so striking that they are sometimes called Tzintzari. They also pronunce lupi (wolves) as „luchi” (luki) just like in Moldavia and some other parts of Romania. So that guy had a clear Aromanian name: „Ţinţiluchi” (Cincilupi/Five Wolves).
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