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Post by rex362 on May 14, 2012 18:23:56 GMT -5
then again the way Macedonian slav press went about reporting this crime when they arrested the suspects....... they were named as "Albanian Muslims" simply when Albanian will do ....they add the Muslim ...so yea you get the knuckle heads of Torbesh a few turks slav muslims some gypsi muslims and some Alba whahabi-cult holding arms like this
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Post by rex362 on May 14, 2012 18:28:21 GMT -5
see Uz ....let me explain one thing to you I am a Muslim Albanian (of course also PelasgianIllyrianAlbanian) see this guy in the pic wearing the white Albanian Plis cultural hat If I was there I would clock his ass - knock-out - then take his hat and burn his ass alive with that green flag
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Post by uz on May 14, 2012 18:31:16 GMT -5
I am not caterogizing you amongst them. We have exchanged posts long enough for me to know you're not a "radical-cultist". At least on the inter-web jk
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Post by uz on May 14, 2012 18:37:03 GMT -5
Uz ....you cant or wont understand bcs this is positive data for you that you can play with here for a while ....so enjoy BUT ...... ......there are a few things you have to understand from this demonstration in Macedonia ...say there were 10,000 in the protest *its 4,950 Albanians screaming for a fair trial for these few that they have arrested *while its also 4,950 Albanians screaming for a unified Albania * while there are 100 Wahabi cultist creaming Alah akbar in Arabic WHICH ONE DO YOU SLAVS GIVE YOUR EYES AND EARS TO ??its obvious .... Are they not getting a fair trial? I thought the protests were about the fact that it was Albanians that were arrested. You guys don't even want to go to trial. In Macedonia, Ethnic Albanians Protest Arrests Of Murder Suspects Thousands of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia have protested against the arrest of three men charged over the killing of five Macedonians last month. www.rferl.org/content/macedonia_ethnic_albanians_protest_murder_suspect_arrests/24578167.htmlThere's no talk of trial, only the DEMAND for a fair trial. So you're telling me this protest is about ASSUMING that they wont get a fair trial? So these "radicals" can take advantage of the circumstance and cry the blues of being picked on for being muslim. Why not allow the justice system to do their work. Check the USA, things like this take time. Why should it be any different anywhere else....
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Post by atdhetar on May 14, 2012 18:44:37 GMT -5
those people waving those green flags with arabic scripture do not bother me in the slightest, those people have not caused any harm nor inflicted any pain to anyone, they simply come under fire because of the stigma associated with islam.
the real breeding ground for religeous extremism and indoctrination has, for decades, been serbia. how is that different to islamic radicalism? because they're christians? where do their actions differ to those of al waeda, they have exterminated people on a mass scale based on religious pertinence, their actions were sanctioned by their evil church and serbian solfiers have been killing muslims mercilessly in the name of the serbian church while holding a cross in their hands, their sunday sermons contains heavy and visceral dosages of nationalistic propaganda their church is notorious for harbouring wanted war criminals...the entire serb state should be held accountable for religeous crimes against humanity and their entire clerical echelon should stand trial in the hague tribunal for inciting religious genocide and prepping up people to commit unspeakeable cmines in the name of their Lord.
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Post by uz on May 14, 2012 18:46:10 GMT -5
Name me a few Christian extremist organization that are currently operating around the world, that are planning to inflict pain, suffering, "terrorism" and warfare on innocense in the name of Jesus Christ.
This^ once did exist. We have moved on from this. You need to catch up with the times.
Again I will say, Religious extremism does not exist in Serbia or amongst Serbs as a pandemic. If a few political showmen want to exploit the idea, that's their perogative not anyone elses.
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Post by atdhetar on May 14, 2012 19:04:13 GMT -5
Name me a few Christian extremist organization that are currently operating around the world, that are planning to inflict pain, suffering, "terrorism" and warfare on innocense in the name of Jesus Christ. Serbia oh, you don't say....so the leopard can change his spots after all. right, so what you are saying is that in serbia, religious extremism is endorsed and spearheaded by political parties, you are saying they are only a handful and they're in the minority....and yet you have no problem applying the stereotype of a 'handful' to all albanians and pigeonholing an entire people by labelling them terrorista, this is no way constitutes double standards for you does it uz? you see uzie boy, we do not have any political parties that call for a religious or racial warfare, in fact if there was even a fraction of religious harmony in serbia as there is in albania, then you could possibly have a right to point your finger at albanians uz. next time educate yourself and address your dirty laundry before judging others aound you, and educate yourself for f**k's sake and stop embarrassing yourself.
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Post by uz on May 14, 2012 19:17:58 GMT -5
Not even. Name me a few political parties that use Christian Extremism as a platform. Then tell me how many seats they have. Show me how much you really know. I didn't label all Albanians as terrorists, and neither are the Macs. The Albanians themsevles were the first to bring that up, to victimize themselves along with their cause. Where's the evidence that the Macs arrested those Albanians b/c they're muslim? You are a product of this brainwashing that I'm talking about. Visit Serbia and see for yourself. I have never seen such harmony amongst different nationalities and religions than I have in Serbia. You need to educate yourself on these matters b/c you obviously have no idea of what you're talking about. Maybe you should stick with the brown-nosing, constructive discussions in the socio-political realm is not your forte. but hey... nice try tho !!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 14, 2012 22:58:22 GMT -5
"I have to say at this point I think what Fatos Lubonja is talking about is not directly being formulated, inherited, and forced up by themselves. Albanians are experiencing self-manipulation in a broad, general level. I am not talking about individuals. This manipulation is being directed from the outside, the "higher-ups" according to this movement and ideology are OUTSIDE playing puppeteer. It's almost as if the Turks implanted seeds throughout the Balkans to one day rise and come down again....I means this metaphorically of course."
I definetely believe the *outside* is pushing their own agenda onto the Albanians. Yes, Saudi money has added a *further* radicalisation element in these outcropping regions. I also believe Islam is so engrained in their culture that at an individual level they will either turn a blind eye or secretely support such acts, its like saying, l can't F'ed but thank god there are some who will kill themselves for the greater good. There are many factors at play here.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 14, 2012 23:04:16 GMT -5
"I am a Muslim Albanian (of course also PelasgianIllyrianAlbanian)"
Hang on Rex, you once scremed out loud that your a Tosk Albanian Christian (Orthodox Christian) from the Prespa region?
Did you convert?
PS Are you BS'ing here?
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 14, 2012 23:09:12 GMT -5
"The only thing I can say is that 95% of all Macedonian Albanians are appalled at these few cult-like Islamists ....its like they have these guys with their Arabic flags running to the front of the lines so they can be videoed and camera clicked ....while the Slavic media eat this up"
C'mon Rex, quit the crapping in your dacks (aussie slang for pants). So if 95% of Albanians are angry, then what are you 95% going to do about it?......NOTHING, KEEP THE SUPPORT AND MONEY FLOWING.
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Post by rex362 on May 15, 2012 9:47:54 GMT -5
There are no Christian Albs in Prespa
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Post by rex362 on May 15, 2012 13:58:55 GMT -5
"The only thing I can say is that 95% of all Macedonian Albanians are appalled at these few cult-like Islamists ....its like they have these guys with their Arabic flags running to the front of the lines so they can be videoed and camera clicked ....while the Slavic media eat this up" C'mon Rex, quit the crapping in your dacks (aussie slang for pants). So if 95% of Albanians are angry, then what are you 95% going to do about it?......NOTHING, KEEP THE SUPPORT AND MONEY FLOWING. I thought it was knickers you can see that these cultish groups have grown strong among Muslim Albanians in Macedonia , Bosnia and in some other areas so don't be surprised if political parties ,or non Albanian secret agencies have contributed to these monkeys
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Post by uz on May 15, 2012 14:09:02 GMT -5
"The only thing I can say is that 95% of all Macedonian Albanians are appalled at these few cult-like Islamists ....its like they have these guys with their Arabic flags running to the front of the lines so they can be videoed and camera clicked ....while the Slavic media eat this up" C'mon Rex, quit the crapping in your dacks (aussie slang for pants). So if 95% of Albanians are angry, then what are you 95% going to do about it?......NOTHING, KEEP THE SUPPORT AND MONEY FLOWING. I thought it was knickers you can see that these cultish groups have grown strong among Muslim Albanians in Macedonia , Bosnia and in some other areas so don't be surprised if political parties ,or non Albanian secret agencies have contributed to these monkeys Is it so horrifying for you to think for a moment that maybe this is being funded by Albania??? and/or Western nations to destabilize the region? Think about it rex, if war breaks out it would be ANOTHER open invitation for the whole world to jump in. then again, maybe this is what you want.... we've seen this play before.
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Post by rex362 on May 15, 2012 14:21:46 GMT -5
no no ....I am saying a covert operation by slavic/russia ....why in the heck would Albanian or west
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Post by uz on May 15, 2012 16:29:25 GMT -5
"I have to say at this point I think what Fatos Lubonja is talking about is not directly being formulated, inherited, and forced up by themselves. Albanians are experiencing self-manipulation in a broad, general level. I am not talking about individuals. This manipulation is being directed from the outside, the "higher-ups" according to this movement and ideology are OUTSIDE playing puppeteer. It's almost as if the Turks implanted seeds throughout the Balkans to one day rise and come down again....I means this metaphorically of course." I definetely believe the *outside* is pushing their own agenda onto the Albanians. Yes, Saudi money has added a *further* radicalisation element in these outcropping regions. I also believe Islam is so engrained in their culture that at an individual level they will either turn a blind eye or secretely support such acts, its like saying, l can't F'ed but thank god there are some who will kill themselves for the greater good. There are many factors at play here. Well all it takes is too add 1+1 and anyone can see the game. USA and Saudi Arabia are very close allies for obvious reasons $$$. For Rex to think Serbs and/or Russia would promote this is completely beyond me, there's zero connection there. Yet this is so obvious; Saudi Arabia>USA>Albania. Just follow the money. I personally do not think that Islam is engrained in their culture on an individual level, I think it's being pushed on a conscious level. You should watch the Weight of Chains, there a lot of old footage during the times of the war in Kosovo. They show videos of Muslim Albanians waving Serbian flags screaming in the middle of Pristina that "This is Serbia", and calling the KLA, traitors to ALBANIANS. There's a bunch of these examples and it's no wonder that these specific Albanians ran away and have settled in Central Serbia. No one asks these questions because they are afraid of the answer. Running away from Serbian oppression in Kosovo, to eventually settle in Central Serbia (under pure Serbian rule) .... mind numbing aint it? lol
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Post by Shqipni13 on May 15, 2012 19:53:12 GMT -5
Albanians waving Serbian flags....rofllllll. Maybe the dogs who had cush government jobs.
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Post by mystery on May 15, 2012 22:56:58 GMT -5
I thought it was knickers you can see that these cultish groups have grown strong among Muslim Albanians in Macedonia , Bosnia and in some other areas so don't be surprised if political parties ,or non Albanian secret agencies have contributed to these monkeys Is it so horrifying for you to think for a moment that maybe this is being funded by Albania??? and/or Western nations to destabilize the region? Think about it rex, if war breaks out it would be ANOTHER open invitation for the whole world to jump in. then again, maybe this is what you want.... we've seen this play before. Although my view is probably one-sided I really do think there's some foreign intervention with this. After reading more on the situation I truly think some organization is funding these people to act like radicals. And to be honest I don't think it's too hard either.. Hire a group of locals for a few $$, they hire a leader how tells them to chant Allah-Akbar and the group follows.. Look how idiotic some of themlook. You have that one idiot wearing a Plis, sunglasses and a arabic flag, there's something not right with that. Also, this "islamic" protest is much different that other islamic protests that happen elsewhere. In Pakistan or w/e shit hole country the majority of protesters(which can range from 1k+) are wearing all white, long beards, islamic clothing, burning american flags, extremely violent, radical looking, etc. In this case there's what 50-200 protesters, all youth, with western looking clothing cashing in on a qucik buck and trying to be islamist. Someone is funding them the money to do this and the Macedonians are capitalizing big time.. Take a few pics and tell the world of the islamic terrorism by the Albanians.. I heard stories in the Balkans where Saudi's would finance some locals to behave like Arabs with their tradition. Bottom line someone is funding these groups to be islamist.. Arabs, Russia, Slav, USA, etc, someone is funding them to be idiots. Also, I haven't heard one positive response from this, every Albanian has condemned these idiots. Something isn't right here
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 15, 2012 23:05:43 GMT -5
"Well all it takes is too add 1+1 and anyone can see the game. USA and Saudi Arabia are very close allies for obvious reasons $$$. For Rex to think Serbs and/or Russia would promote this is completely beyond me, there's zero connection there." UZ, Saudi Arabia is just a US tool, they can take all her oil if she wishes. I sometimes believe, THEY, the Anglo-Saxon Empire (US, UK) created this Saudi Emirate, based on extreme Islam, to be used as a smoke screen for their individual goals, Zbignew Brzezinski, a former diplomat, used to always say that radical islam is a perfect tool to destabilise harmonious states, and its this method the US is using to today. UZ, when l hear media reports telling us that the US had to ASK Saudis whether it was worth intervening into Libya, l could not help but laugh, c'mon seriously, a WORLD SUPERPOWER asking a lap dog. Rex isn't stupid, he knows what is going on, his just DEFLECTING blame on the obivious victim or victims! "I personally do not think that Islam is engrained in their culture on an individual level, I think it's being pushed on a conscious level." Brate, its a bit of both. "You should watch the Weight of Chains, there a lot of old footage during the times of the war in Kosovo. They show videos of Muslim Albanians waving Serbian flags screaming in the middle of Pristina that "This is Serbia", and calling the KLA, traitors to ALBANIANS. There's a bunch of these examples and it's no wonder that these specific Albanians ran away and have settled in Central Serbia. No one asks these questions because they are afraid of the answer. Running away from Serbian oppression in Kosovo, to eventually settle in Central Serbia (under pure Serbian rule) .... mind numbing aint it? lol" Years ago we Serbs made mention of this fact here in this very forums, well, the old ezboard days.
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Post by rex362 on May 16, 2012 9:10:17 GMT -5
Is it so horrifying for you to think for a moment that maybe this is being funded by Albania??? and/or Western nations to destabilize the region? Think about it rex, if war breaks out it would be ANOTHER open invitation for the whole world to jump in. then again, maybe this is what you want.... we've seen this play before. Although my view is probably one-sided I really do think there's some foreign intervention with this. After reading more on the situation I truly think some organization is funding these people to act like radicals. And to be honest I don't think it's too hard either.. Hire a group of locals for a few $$, they hire a leader how tells them to chant Allah-Akbar and the group follows.. Look how idiotic some of themlook. You have that one idiot wearing a Plis, sunglasses and a arabic flag, there's something not right with that. Also, this "islamic" protest is much different that other islamic protests that happen elsewhere. In Pakistan or w/e s**t hole country the majority of protesters(which can range from 1k+) are wearing all white, long beards, islamic clothing, burning american flags, extremely violent, radical looking, etc. In this case there's what 50-200 protesters, all youth, with western looking clothing cashing in on a qucik buck and trying to be islamist. Someone is funding them the money to do this and the Macedonians are capitalizing big time.. Take a few pics and tell the world of the islamic terrorism by the Albanians.. I heard stories in the Balkans where Saudi's would finance some locals to behave like Arabs with their tradition. Bottom line someone is funding these groups to be islamist.. Arabs, Russia, Slav, USA, etc, someone is funding them to be idiots. Also, I haven't heard one positive response from this, every Albanian has condemned these idiots. Something isn't right here they dont even have freaks like this in Turkey
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