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Post by alay on May 1, 2012 13:02:23 GMT -5
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Post by groet on May 2, 2012 12:56:42 GMT -5
Jeg har en anelse om at grunnen til at folk synes at du ikke ser norsk ut men at du ser ut som om du kommer fra Balkan-området har mer å gjøre med at du ikke passer inn i idéen om blonde, blåøyde "ariske" nordmenn. Selv så bor jeg i Norge og jeg mener at du ser norsk ut. Du ser kanskje ikke ut som en stereotypisk nordmann, men det gjør vel heller ikke de fleste nordmenn.
You could fit as a Balkanian, but you look more northwestern.
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Post by Nikola on May 3, 2012 3:07:12 GMT -5
Are you 100% Norwegian? Or mixed? Because you have some hairy eyebrows for a Scandinavian.
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Post by ulf on May 3, 2012 6:57:15 GMT -5
You look Balkan
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Post by alay on May 3, 2012 11:33:33 GMT -5
Are you 100% Norwegian? Or mixed? Because you have some hairy eyebrows for a Scandinavian. As far as I know, I'm 100% Norwegian. But because people have asked me this before, I decided to take a Y-DNA test for fun, as my dad have the same eyebrows and hair as me. I got haplogroup J2b, which is very uncommon for Norway. Norwegians are mainly I1(34%), R1b(28%), R1a(27%), but also 3% Q, 3% N, 1 % E1b, and 1% J2....so I guess the result doesent really mean anything
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Post by valmir on May 3, 2012 15:42:22 GMT -5
100% Balkanian In my city i see everyday faces like yours, Same way of looking!
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Post by Nikola on May 4, 2012 10:10:06 GMT -5
Your hair type is common among southern Slavs (very straight and you can see the skull when short), and you do have that Pontid long neck/face but, you still look mostly northern European to me. Especially in the second picture.
Or maybe you look like a cross between a Norwegian and someone from the Balkans. Who knows, there are people in the Balkans who look northern European, why not northern Europeans who look Balkan?
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Post by Hellenas on May 5, 2012 7:02:36 GMT -5
I got haplogroup J2b, which is very uncommon for Norway. J2 in Norway=1%. www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtmlOutside the Caucasus, the highest frequencies of J2 are observed in Cyprus (37%), Crete (34%), northern Iraq (28%), Sicily (26.5%), Lebanon (26%), Turkey (24%, with peaks of 30% in the Marmara region and in central Anatolia), South Italy (23.5%), Bulgaria (20%), Albania (19.5%), and continental Greece (19% excluding northern Greece), as well as among Jewish people (19 to 25%).www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtmlJ2bThe mutation founding the J2b subclade might have originated in Greece (or in Anatolia ?), like haplogroup E-V13 (see below) to which it is closely linked. The propagation of J2b and E-V13 corresponds roughly to the ancient Greek and Roman spheres of influence. Apart from Europe, J2b is also found all around India, but only at moderate frequencies in between Europe and India, meaning that, unlike for J2a, it was not a progresive and continuous diffusion, as is to be expected from the spread of agriculture. For this reason, and because it is generally found among the upper castes of India, it is thought that some J2b lineages might have been part of the Indo-Aryan invasions of South Asia (3,500 years ago) alongside R1a1a.Distribution of haplogroup J2 in Europe, the Middle East & North Africawww.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#J2What's your subclade?
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Post by alay on May 5, 2012 8:07:01 GMT -5
You mean if I know what subclade of J2b? I tested for M99, M205, M241 and M410, so I'm not J2b1 nor J2b2/J2b2c/J2b2a. But I got the M12 marker, so I'm definitely J2b. Interesting. It seems like J2b is found with highest frequencies in Greece, Albania, and Macedonia, perhaps especially Albania..? Could this be why I look a bit balkanian? I thought that if I had some distant J2b ancestor, then even after 2 or 3 generations you could barely see the original balkan/roman/greek traits anymore. Maybe it's just a coincidence
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Post by Hellenas on May 5, 2012 12:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by alay on May 5, 2012 13:24:01 GMT -5
Indeed But in the link you sent earlier: www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtmlIt says the maximum frequency of J2b is found in northern greece, albania, kosovo, and montenegro. But of course, I think that are the state of the modern population estimates. While the historical origins of J2b are Hellas/Greece
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Post by Hellenas on May 5, 2012 16:42:14 GMT -5
J2b "maximum frequency is achieved around Albania, Kosovo, Montenegro and Northwest Greece." but yours(J2b- M12) "associated with Neolithic Greece" and reaches its maximum in Greece(Thessaly and Macedonia).
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Post by alay on May 5, 2012 20:14:21 GMT -5
ok, thanks
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 9, 2012 2:47:36 GMT -5
^^ there have been massive population exchanges in the last 100 years in northern greece, so, any efforts to connect geography to genetics are apriori flawed.
PS
Anyways, alay, you could pass for Yugoslav, Czech, Polak, Bulgarian, etc....
I cannot see why Greece has to be mentioned 100 times/thread in the most unbelievable contexts.
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Post by ulf on May 9, 2012 12:59:52 GMT -5
any efforts to connect geography to genetics are apriori flawed. Exactly the case here. Your Y-Haplogroup marker does not define the way you will look
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 10, 2012 2:49:28 GMT -5
^^^ good point as well.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 10, 2012 4:47:04 GMT -5
Borreby and Cro Mag like me. Borreby's are just robust and have very round faces like Meds do. www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-borreby.htmlOrigins: Mostly unreduced, brachycephalized, and depigmented Upper Paleolithic survivor of Cro-Magnoid stock, related to Dalo-Falid and Brünn on one hand and Alpinid on the other. The affiliation is essentially with the former, but a partial process of alpinization establishes an evolutionary relation to the latter. The southern and south-western border with fully alpinized central Europeans is blurry, and has resulted in a number of local intermediate types, such as the Belgian "Walloons type". Modern Borrebys are derived, historically, from the old northwestern European coastal fishing population. In many places, such as the Norwegian coastal district of Jæren, Borrebys seem to have been among the first humans to settle permanently, during the late Mesolithic. In modern times the Borreby type is found nowhere as a true population, except perhaps in Jæren and on the island of Fehmarn, off the German coast, where it exists in relative purity. Elsewhere it is strongly diluted with other elements. Description: The Borreby type is large-bodied and large-headed, and lateral in most features. It is tall to very tall (but generally less so than Dalo-Falids), muscular, and usually quite heavy, with a tendency towards chubbiness. Paedomorphous features are particularly common in females, who are often buxom. The head form is brachycephalic (c.i. typically 82-84), and the occiput is nearly vertical and often slightly flattened. The temporal bones are weakly curved, but parietal tuberosities are usually strong. The forehead is broad, only slightly curved, quite high, and usually of but little slope.
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Post by bowandarrow on May 10, 2012 4:50:29 GMT -5
He looks dinaric
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Post by Hellenas on May 10, 2012 18:43:27 GMT -5
Alay is a Mediterranean and genetically a northern Greek, anything else is just unscientific personal opinions.
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Post by Hellenas on May 10, 2012 18:52:50 GMT -5
^^ there have been massive population exchanges in the last 100 years in northern greece, so, any efforts to connect geography to genetics are apriori flawed. PS Anyways, alay, you could pass for Yugoslav, Czech, Polak, Bulgarian, etc.... I cannot see why Greece has to be mentioned 100 times/thread in the most unbelievable contexts. So far you have dispute the whole Anthropological world, now you will dispute and the whole Genetical world? Come on...you know nothing about these Sciences. Population movements in northern Greece have done but replacements of the ancient populations living there never happened as well. The descendants of the ancient Thessalians and of Macedonians can still be found in Thessaly and in Macedonia.
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