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Post by ulf on May 29, 2012 20:17:08 GMT -5
they are practicaly the same people, but they base their identity on religion, that's how primitive their mindset is...that's why i keep saying and reiteraring this point, they are religious fanatics, they have killed their own kin because of different religious beliefs, isn't that the definition of radicalism? Using that^ logic, wouldn't it make the Croats bad? I mean.... again, this is according to what you've said regarding Serbs and Croats being the same.... Croats were Orthodox first prior to being Catholic, so doesn't that make them primitive, trying to differentiate themselves from us by using religion. If anything it's the Serbs who are saying we're the same, put religion aside. LOL Sorry adt, this must be real heavy load for your miniscule brain to take in, take your time tho and try not to jump the gun this time. As far as I know both sides were changing their religion as it pleased them ;D Just a reminder, Stephen the 1st Crowned was given his title by Pope. It was only until tsar Dushan the Mighty when Nemanjic country became OFFICIALLY Orhtodox appointing the 1st Serbian Patriach.
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Post by atdhetar on May 29, 2012 20:19:47 GMT -5
Our traditional dances are Slavic (it's cause we are ), as well as yours. got nothing in common with our dances you dumb dildo, in albania each region has their own distinct dances and intricate footwork as opposed to the bitch ass kolo or whatever its called, you have no notion of the richness and diversity from each area in albania and the variations, whereas in former yugoslav countries i can count in one hand and they are common almost everywhere. besides, to say slavic is a huge categorization you anal bead, we are talking about serb identity and uniqueness or lack thereof. yes, we do not deny it did picko whisper that enlightened tidbit of info into your ear as he was spooning you? again....slavic does not mean serbian you cock ornament! and i can count on one hand the amount of slavic loanwords, not that many, yes, the legacy of bulgarians extends to toponyms and placenames, so what? that practically makes us slavs? that means nothing. i can tell you what you didn't take, testicular fortitude!!! the slavic influence in albanian culture is as faint as the serbian sense of identity.
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Post by uz on May 29, 2012 20:37:03 GMT -5
C'mon Adt quit running away from the real reason we're having this convo.
go on... back this^ up, mush... !
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 29, 2012 22:48:30 GMT -5
"Just try backing up your staggering claim that the Slavs took elements of Albanian culture to fuse into theirs. Just try it half-breed, I dare you, cause the astonishing fact is that you took much more Slavic elements into your own ethnos then you care to aknowledge."
Uz, this is one of the many reasons l know why Albanians arn't more ancient then Serbs (inhabiting Balkans). If Albanians (Shqiptari) were present in the Balkans, we Serbs would have taken vocabulary from them, cusines from them, traditions from them, names from them etc....We had taken almost zero from them, we Serbs have taken, for instance, so much from the Hungarians/Magyars, who arrived to Europe approx 400 to 500 years after us when we arrived to the Balkans. We Serbs have taken so much more from the established Greeks, but nothing from Albanians who are supposed to be JUST next door to them.
The only ancient record of Albanians we have that is SOLID, is from a Byzantine commander during the 11th century, anything before this date is just a SPECULATION.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 29, 2012 22:52:20 GMT -5
^ One just needs to see how much the Albanian/Shqiptars have taken from Slavs/Serbs. We even have Albanians from 200 years ago stating whoever is the leader of Serbia they will recognise as their own because they believe in ancient times they were just ONE tribe with the Serbians.
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Post by Shqipni13 on May 29, 2012 23:01:53 GMT -5
We are the peaceful group in the balkans. It makes me proud that everytime I attend an Albanian function, Muslims, Christians and atheists have a good time and mingle together. We don't let fairytales separate us.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 29, 2012 23:15:08 GMT -5
^ Shqipni, that can be easily changed or turned around. There is more frozen divisions in Albanian society than Yugoslavs. Let me give you some examples:
- Tosk and Gheg language divisions - Tosk and Ghegs scuffles - Religion (Christians Vs Muslims) - Clan societies (Blood feuds and Vendettas) - Mafia groups
If you ever use your brain, if the west funded a group and brought an alteration to your harmonous state, just slightly offsetted it, your nation and people will be 100 times worse off than your hated Serbia.
BTW, it was Slavs who helped your people write your first dictionary or primer back in the 15th/16th centuries.
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Post by Shqipni13 on May 29, 2012 23:26:43 GMT -5
Those are artificial divisions that don't hamper relations between one another. Tosk and Gheg? lol please!. And what's your infatuation with the Albanian mafia all about? There is no such thing as the Serbian mafia? Get over yourself man.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 30, 2012 0:11:05 GMT -5
albania and greece are f**king steeped in culture, tradition, folklore, dances and mythology, ok clueless little idiotic and desperate fabricator, give us some evidence of ...... albanian mythology.... slavic folklore is the only present in the balkans.... your villages, mountains, valleys, rivers with their slavic past should know better than some random chechens who 100 years ago didn't even know of the existence of illyrians ;D ;D ;D PS same holds for greece. my ancestors didn't even know of the word "Hellenes". This is a rather modern fashion.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 30, 2012 0:18:48 GMT -5
also talking about music is hilarious...
albo music is exactly the same as my home-land music : mainly pentatonic.... ok its unique but boring to death...
in yugoslavia OTOH, THERE IS A WEALTH, almost a TREASURE of music tradition, varieties, styles, legacy from the depth of the middle ages, ancient slavic pure music..... A WEALTH.... also blended with classical music, and of course music of the east...
we have to be fair here....
ALBS AND GREEKS CANNOT REACH THOSE GUYS .... NO FUCKING WAY...
they love music... we dont..
as a kid, they would not accept me in the gypsy band that was playing traditional music...., because they are fucking gypsies... no matter how better i was than them... so i ended up dancing those albanian silly dances... and later scrapped it all together... for rock'n'roll...
face it albo, our culture (greek-alb) promote injustice, hatred and backwardness....
fucking period...
i dont claim yugos-bulgos are angels... no.. but they are ages ahead of us.....
take it as "brotherly" advice .... RAT-o-slav. ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 30, 2012 1:40:15 GMT -5
"Those are artificial divisions that don't hamper relations between one another. Tosk and Gheg? lol please!. And what's your infatuation with the Albanian mafia all about? There is no such thing as the Serbian mafia? Get over yourself man." Shqipni, man, use your brain (not saying it in a bad way). I'm telling you there is more at the disposal of a world power to use than with the Yugoslavs. Yugoslavians actually got along well, before the outside forces disrupted the harmonous equilibrium. I normally wouldn't say this but Pyrro is 100% spot on when he says that 95% of Croats are good people, its those 5% Nazi sympathizers who have hijacked everysingle part of Croatian society.....and who supports those warped ones? THE WEST. You may laugh it off, but l know very well Ghegs look at Tosks as commie lovers etc....If outside forces want to destroy Albania, they can use this as their game, l'm sure there are some Tosks who dream of FREE TOSKERIA
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 30, 2012 2:25:33 GMT -5
^^^ free gheghia... true illirians LOL!!!
i am from Janina man, and i dont even fucking know who is ghegh and who is tosk... i guess both must be some kind of chechen tribe lol
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Post by atdhetar on May 30, 2012 4:28:38 GMT -5
picko, noone expects to hear any sense from an unsavoury cunt like you, you are a domesticated pet in your own household, you have taken your wife's last name, what contribution could be expected from an utter failure like you who loathes his own self and country?
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Post by atdhetar on May 30, 2012 4:29:17 GMT -5
oh, and yea, its a rhetorical question, no need to answer
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 30, 2012 4:52:18 GMT -5
^^^ who told you that I read your question you stupid funk?
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Post by rex362 on May 30, 2012 13:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 30, 2012 23:01:16 GMT -5
"i am from Janina man, and i dont even f**king know who is ghegh and who is tosk... i guess both must be some kind of chechen tribe lol"
Pyrro, the Ghegs are the Northern Albanians (north from Skhumbini river). The Tosks are Southern Albanians below the Skhumbini River.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 31, 2012 2:06:56 GMT -5
i got it..... Tosks must be albanized Greeks. Our music is identical.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 31, 2012 3:18:17 GMT -5
^ Brate, its well known the Tosks are more Greek looking while the Ghegs are more Slavic/Yugoslav looking. The Ghegs have a more slavic cultural affiliation and the Tosks more of a Greek cultural affiliation.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 31, 2012 3:21:35 GMT -5
Just to add for you, some of the Ghegs of Northern Albania even remembered their Serbian Slava during the early 20th century
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