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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 7, 2012 9:18:10 GMT -5
Compiled Albanian Language
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:54:22 PM It would be interesting to see if Abdulah would be able to explain the origin of the Albanian word 'kolibe' (hut, Serb. koliba; Ukr. kolyba). In Serbian, this word clearly come from the adverb 'okolo' (round) and the verb 'biti' (beat, strike). Serbian 'glib' (mud) is the first material used in the hut construction. Albanian 'baltë' seems to be a clear-cut borrowing from the Serbian ('blato' mud). 'Koliba' was made of 'GLIB' as 'palata' (palace, Alb. palatt) was "upraised" from 'BLATA'.
Albanian "rule" is 'ZAKON', the same word which in Serbian means "rule", "law", "custom". In fact, Serbian ZAKON originated from the reduplicated GON syllable in the similar way as it happened to other Serbian words as 'kuća' (home), 'konak' (hostel), ZAGONITI (drive something behind someone's back), ZAKUĆITI (SKUĆITI, economize, husband). Of course, there are hundreds of other words with the same ancestral history, for instance Serb. ISKATI (eng. ask). All what had been ISKAZANO (told, agreed by talks) became later the part of written or custom law (ZAKON) and anyone who would dare to break such law should be subjected to punishment (Serb. KAZNA).
The modern Albanians are trying to prove that Albanian is the descendant of ancient (extinct) Illyrian language. The fervent 'dëshirë' (desire, Lat. desidere) of the Albanian scientists to prove impossible is understandable and their young fiery (Alb. 'zjarrtë', Serbian žariti, žarovit; ra-zjariti to rage; RA-ZJAREN choleric, angry; Serb. ŽAR > Alb. ZJARR) national zealotry, but it looks enormously ridiculous when some West-European scientists are trying to help the Albanian colleagues to build the miraculous linguistic castle between earth and sky. I think that the Albanian MJEGULL (Serb. MAGLA fog) should be dispersed (Alb. shpërthej, Ger. sprengen, Serb. prsnuti. isprskati, brz, prognati, pregnuti, spregnuti) in order to see the fundament (Alb. themeloj < Serb. temelj) of Albanian languages, which has been completely made of Greek, Latin and Serbian vocabulary and a few words Shqiptar have brought from their old Caucasian land.
I hoped that the descendant of the old Illyrian tribes would have the theory how it happened that "Illyro-Shqiptar" language borrowed so many Slavic (Serbian) words. I was wrong, obviously. He, he... Alb. kastravec (cucmber), metathesis from the Serbian 'krastavac' Sometimes the Albanian loan-words are so garbled and deformed that it make almost impossible to see where they really came from. For instance, who would say that Albanian 'drejtim' is related to the Latin 'directus'?; or the Albanian 'shekull' (century) to the Greek κύκλος (L.L. 'cyclus'); Albanian 'mbresë' (scar) sprung from the nasalised Serbian 'obrezati' (cut, circumcize; obrez > oMbrez; similar Alb. ëmbël nicely, from Italian 'bello'): Albanian adjective 'përzhitur' (scorched) from the Serbian 'pržiti' (scorch); Albanian 'këngëtar' (singer) from the Latin ,canto'; in Albanian 'motër' is 'sister'!!! (Serbian 'mater' mother); Albanian 'shpërlaj' (rinse) from the Serbian ispirati, isprati, ispralo se, prati, pranje (wash out, rinse); Albanian 'rrënjë' (root) from the Serbian 'ko-renje' (roots); Albanian 'djal' (devil) from the Serbian 'đavo-l' (Serb. dialectal 'đavl'); Albanian 'rradhë' (row) from the Serbian 'red' (raw, order); Albanians are well-known weapon admirers, but they are still using the Serbian word for the gun (pushkë); from the Serbian verb 'pucati' (puknuti, puci explode; puška gun); Albanian 'gardh' (hedge) from the Serbian 'ograda' (fence): 'bregore' (hillock) from Serbian 'breg' (hill); For instance, how to understand the Albanian word 'padurim' (impatience) where the Latin 'duratus' is well visible?
I know that Konjushevic will remain silent again and I wrote this only to show some Western scientists that the "Sqiptar-Illyrian" story is the most ridiculous fiction and a myth for the unripe, uneducated and naive, half idiotic people.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 9:23:08 GMT -5
there are some slavo words leaned to albanin this espeialy with colonisation kosova machedonia and montenegro by slavs
it doenst mean its in albanian 1 and stil doesnt mean it is true slavo word wich isnt leaned from albanian
so maybe some use that word like we use some english words world wide it doenst meant anything
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 7, 2012 9:27:53 GMT -5
^ Slavs (Serboi) were even present in Albania prior to the 11th century, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
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Post by albascorp on Jun 7, 2012 9:45:01 GMT -5
^ Slavs (Serboi) were even present in Albania prior to the 11th century, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? that albanins where there 10 000 before crist and that you serbs colonized places doenst mean there where serbs and serbo culture living for recent example see kosova
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Post by rex362 on Jun 7, 2012 10:05:46 GMT -5
well novi ....to be honest where did you bring these words from ?
are they your vocabulary since 600ad and up or before that ...?
check on you baba ruski for same words and see if the same slavic words
Then again you have to differentiate which Albanians ...bcs there are Albanians of former Yugo and Albanian from Albania itself .... and yes we ex yugo Albs have some common words in with you slavs
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Post by atdhetar on Jun 7, 2012 10:23:16 GMT -5
these are all words that serbs borrowed from albanian, provided they do not exist in the russian vocabulary, if that is the case then yes you may lay claim but otherwise serbs absorbed those words from the native dwellers i.e. Albanians.
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Post by atdhetar on Jun 7, 2012 10:25:08 GMT -5
the latin influence on albanian is well established and widely acknowledged, why would you try to prove a link which is well accepted?
you just get dumber by the day don't you?
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Post by rex362 on Jun 7, 2012 10:30:57 GMT -5
athdetar ....these slavs are something else ....its like if they just woke up and found Albanians next to them when in fact is was the other way around .....
they spend 90% of their time trying to denounce us anyway they can ....I just hope their other 10% is used up looking up their slavic ancient history .....i doubt it
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Post by uz on Jun 7, 2012 10:54:03 GMT -5
^ Slavs (Serboi) were even present in Albania prior to the 11th century, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? that albanins where there 10 000 before crist and that you serbs colonized places doenst mean there where serbs and serbo culture living for recent example see kosova You guys didn't exist till about 1000 AD, and I'm being generous. So just remember that we Serbs have inhabited your land (Albania) before you even got there, or even had a clue of who or what you are.
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Post by valmir on Jun 7, 2012 10:58:46 GMT -5
Like 70-75% of these words you posted are not used by the Albanians of Albania but only by the Albanians of Kosovo and Macedonia. 90% of those words,when you read them they sound completly different from the serbian ones when you read them, it just happend for the word to be writen similary but when you read them they sound completly different!
And like 50% of them have nothing in common with the serbian words you posted, they have nothing similar.
One example: Albanian 'shpërlaj' (rinse) from the Serbian ispirati, isprati, ispralo se, prati, pranje (wash out, rinse);
They do not even SOUND or are WRITEN similary.
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Post by rex362 on Jun 7, 2012 11:03:41 GMT -5
uh thats canaris's line and only he can use that ......
besides you know better and the facts of us Albanian /Illyrians no matter how much you fight it .......suffer
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Post by laughinglions on Jun 7, 2012 11:43:21 GMT -5
Novi you are full of bullshit and this 'article' is full of bullshit. You, and the original author, understand nothing of linguistics; your examples make sense only in a 'full of shit surface appearances' kind of way. Apparently it is the only way some Serbs can think and pretend to understand. Don't let Pyrros cock-sucking ability fool you into thinking you are bigger and smarter than you actually are.
No one denies that Albanian has borrowed a lot from Latin and Slavic (not necessarily Serb) and a little from Greek and Turkish, etc. The simple fact is all Indo-European languages have cross-fertilized each through countless contacts. English has borrowed from Latin, Celtic, Germanics. Slavs have borrowed from Latins, Greeks, Germanics, etc, etc. That doesn't mean there was not an original language spoken by a concentrated and related people. Pointing out that Albanian has borrowed from Slavic says nothing new and proves nothing. The associations are known.
Also, all Indo-European languages are sister languages to each other, meaning that they split off from a common trunk and with time enough differences accumulated to where the dialects become 'different languages'. So, a lot of the time too it happens that related words go back all the way to the original mother tongue (PIE) rather than just being simple later borrowings.
On top, a language is more than a list of words; the details of grammar, syntax, morphology are the true and essential software of a language, which dictate how abstract words and sounds are used. You can believe what you like, but I'm letting you know sound like a moron, and I think you are, if you persist in saying that the Albanian language was patched together by mere compilation, like a simple straw hut with borrowed words from everybody in the neighborhood.
No matter how the argument rages on the Illyrian or Thrakian roots of Albanian, there is not a single scholar who disputes its genuine Indo-European character. An overwhelming majority of linguists also recognize its deep relations to other Balkan languages such as Proto-Romanian, Doric Greek. If you want to form an opinion against the traditions of 200 years of Indo-European language scholarship and studies, you are entitled to it and be my guest, but don't be surprised if I call out your agenda of discrediting anything Albanian and calling you a moron for it.
I'll lift up some of your examples in a bit, just because I feel like diddling with your ass.
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Post by laughinglions on Jun 7, 2012 11:54:40 GMT -5
Without the moon, the prostitute cannot even be sensed. She does not exist. - Pyrros the Great Romantic SlavSucking Existentialist Philosopher Prostitute
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Post by atdhetar on Jun 7, 2012 11:58:45 GMT -5
athdetar ....these slavs are something else ....its like if they just woke up and found Albanians next to them when in fact is was the other way around ..... they spend 90% of their time trying to denounce us anyway they can ....I just hope their other 10% is used up looking up their slavic ancient history .....i doubt it what do you expect from a bunch of uncultured, deceitful rats who feed off other cultures around them and pass it off as their own, they have yet to answer me, what is one unique thing that is serbian and its not found anywhere, they're a knock off race, a travesty to civilisations, they're the colon of the balcans
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Post by atdhetar on Jun 7, 2012 12:01:51 GMT -5
Without the moon, the prostitute cannot even be sensed. She does not exist. - Pyrros the Great Romantic SlavSucking Existentialist Philosopher Prostitute hahaha, read my sig too, i remember one time when he was arguing against the definition of the word 'reiterate' in the vocabulary, i tried to compile a collection of literary gems but they shut down the thread, he only responds to the name picko by the way.
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Post by atdhetar on Jun 7, 2012 12:05:02 GMT -5
You guys didn't exist till about 1000 AD, and I'm being generous. carry on despicable serb, continue to clutch at straws and masturbate yourself to a whole plethora of fabricated claims serbs would have continued their long standing tradition of throwing their faeces at one another if the natives hadn't told them to stop doing that.
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Post by laughinglions on Jun 7, 2012 12:19:17 GMT -5
Check out the bottom paragraph indicated with stars.
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Post by groet on Jun 7, 2012 13:45:10 GMT -5
Some of those words aren't loans but cognates, gardh and mjegull for instance. Baltë is also treated as an Albanian word by linguists with Balto and Baltë being cognates.
Everything in the OP is quite insignificant as to whether Albanian is related to Illyrian or not. A desperate attempt; grasping for straws.
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Post by laughinglions on Jun 7, 2012 13:48:38 GMT -5
Most of your etymologies are full of bullshit too. Just to shoot out a few: The Albanian ‘pallat’ comes from the Latin, which is where Slavs also borrowed it from as well. Originally it refers to the Palatine hill of ancient Rome. The word exists in English as ‘palace’, Italian as ‘palazio’, French as ‘palace’, etc. www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=palaceTrue, ‘Zakon’ is a proto-Slavonic borrowing, but we also have other words for the same thing; doke, ligje, etc. On the other hand Alb "zjarr" (fire) has no relation to Serb 'rage, choleric'. Compiled Albanian Language ....in order to see the fundament (Alb. themeloj < Serb. temelj) of Albanian languages, which has been completely made of Greek, Latin and Serbian vocabulary and a few words Shqiptar have brought from their old Caucasian land. Atteliattes whispering in your ear like a skank again? Get it through your head. Albanian is a testified and unique language of the Indo-European family group. It is not creole; it is not pidgin; it is not esperanto no matter how deep and hard your yearning goes. It is a unique language, wholly developed inside Balkan. It has no sister languages in Europe or Caucasus. (Alb. shpërthej, Ger. sprengen, Serb. prsnuti. isprskati, brz, prognati, pregnuti, spregnuti) Shpërthej has nothing whatsoever to do with Slavic or Serb. Your ignorance shows itself because you only try to approximate it with something that exists in the Serb language. In fact, the Albanian word is a composite word, it is part of a group of words that are formed by placing a ‘negative’ in front of a word or action: for instance, “palos” becomes “sh-palos”, “bëj” becomes “shpër-bëj”, “laj” becomes “shpër-laj” and so on for “shpartalloj”, “shpërthej”. But since you have zero knowledge of Albanian you try to pull this kind of shit where if two things sort of look alike, you can force them into your bullshit ignorant agenda. Kastravec is borrowed into Greek also, as your Pyrros brate reminds us so often, but that doesn’t catch your eye does it.? So, why do Greeks with all their long and verified ancient language track and history pick up Slavic words? In our village we didnt say "aggouri" (cucumber) we said kastraveci (krastavac), we didn't say kefali (head) we said glava, we didn;t say saura (lizzard) we said gousterica....(albs, greeks) Alb “shekull” is more closely related to Latin “sciecolo” than to Greek κύκλος. Alb “ëmbël” (sweet, not ‘nicely’) has nothing to do with the Italian “bello” (beautifyul). Just more bullshit amateur etymology from your ‘source’. For instance, who would say that Albanian 'drejtim' is related to the Latin 'directus'?; or the Albanian 'shekull' (century) to the Greek κύκλος (L.L. 'cyclus'); Albanian ' mbresë' (scar) sprung from the nasalised Serbian 'obrezati' (cut, circumcize; obrez > oMbrez; similar Alb. ëmbël nicely, from Italian 'bello'): Albanian adjective 'përzhitur' (scorched) from the Serbian 'pržiti' (scorch); Albanian 'këngëtar' (singer) from the Latin ,canto'; in Albanian ' motër' is 'sister'!!! (Serbian 'mater' mother); Albanian ' shpërlaj' (rinse) from the Serbian ispirati, isprati, ispralo se, prati, pranje (wash out, rinse); Albanian 'rrënjë' (root) from the Serbian 'ko-renje' (roots); Albanian ' djal' (devil) from the Serbian 'đavo-l' (Serb. dialectal 'đavl'); Albanian 'rradhë' (row) from the Serbian 'red' (raw, order); Albanians are well-known weapon admirers, but they are still using the Serbian word for the gun (pushkë); from the Serbian verb 'pucati' (puknuti, puci explode; puška gun); Albanian ' gardh' (hedge) from the Serbian 'ograda' (fence): 'bregore' (hillock) from Serbian 'breg' (hill); For instance, how to understand the Albanian word 'padurim' (impatience) where the Latin 'duratus' is well visible? Alb “mbresë” actually means impression, same as in English, it comes from the Latin “impresso” and follows the same Alb phonetic rules by which the Latin “imperator” becomes the Alb “mbret” and Latin “impresso” become “mbresë”. Zero connection with Serb; but I guess it must have been amateur hour when your ‘source’ did his profound scholarly work. Alb “motër” is a flip from proto-Indo European, it is a word so fucking basic that all Indo-European languages have it. Greek ‘matera’, English ‘mother’, Italian and Spanish ‘madre’, French ‘mere’. The same can be said for Alb “djall”, Eng. ‘devil’ , Fr. And Ital. ‘diavolo’, Spanish ‘diablo’ etc, etc. Nothing fucking whatsoever to do with Slavic / Serb. What kind of shit are you trying to peddle here? Gardh? Are you fucking kidding me, man? We both get it from an old Germanic word ‘grad’, it means ‘enclosure’, referring to enclosed Germanic soldier camps. It is the source of many words in many languages, including the English ‘garden’, names of cities like StalinGRAD, BeoGRAD, StuttGART etc. Linguistic-Historical Implications of an Old Germanic Loan - Romanian gard 'fence, enclosure, weir, garden'. Mankind Quarterly 50. 1/2 (Fall 2009/Winter 2010): 25-70.
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Post by laughinglions on Jun 7, 2012 14:29:38 GMT -5
I feel I can safely say Slavs didn't have homes and didn't know how to cook because they acquired the terms and practices through the superior Romans. Dumbshit Slavs.
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