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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 4, 2013 10:26:42 GMT -5
Man, happy new year to you and all kind Bulgarians. On the subject, what i wrote is to denote what i do not agree with, so dont take it literally. Happy new 2013! Hope u have a great year and I hope you had amazing holidays. Man believe it or not, i spent some time in a monastery near my home town, (about 20km away), and it was built in 1412 by some Vojvoda Mihail, who built it for his daughter. So, Pyrros just raped the theory that Serbian presence in Epiros last for only 20 years. ;D
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Post by rex362 on Jan 5, 2013 10:28:08 GMT -5
-Both modern greeks and albs are artificial nations.-
then you must be artificial also ....bro
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 6, 2013 1:31:44 GMT -5
- Both modern greeks and albs are artificial nations.- then you must be artificial also ....bro i was my ex-bro, my brains were, until i visited that monastery near my town, you know, built by a SERBIAN VOJVODA, just like ALL in central/northern Greece/Makedonia/Kosovo/Albania/etc.... The serbian presence is SO huge to be hidden or destroyed.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jan 6, 2013 4:14:29 GMT -5
armenians are more similar to greeks, assyrians,lebanese,iranians than their cacausus neighbours in looks and culture..serbia/albania/bosnia will always be linked to southeastern culture as their middle east caucasus influences will always be far higher than their european influences...at the end of the day this is NOT a BAD thing but in my opinion a positive link..my father and his father before him used to always say iranians and serbs are very similar..personally i believe in the sarmaritan theory I dont think that armenians are that similar to greeks to use a word "similar" from my own experiences and contact with armenians, looking at their apperenace music customs and so on, they show clear differences, this may sound crazy but it is true, jerevan armenians have very much in common with populations of eastern turkey and western iranic populations, the oriental element is multiply much stronger compared to their northern neigbours which are the caucasus populations. here i took random examples: Typical armenian music, they love the duduk instrument songs, its the theme of armenian music: Now compare that to traditional caucasus musik, the beats the melody and everything is different: I have some insight about this as my wife is Armenian. The Armenians are very ancient people and hence have a very rich and colourful ethnogenesis , way back they had many influences and things in common with Iranian/Persian peoples at one time they even shared the same Zoroastrian religion with the Persians untill Armenians adopted Christianity ... Armenians were the first nation to become Christians. Armenians predate any Turkicss or Arabics or Asiatic peoples that later came to region of eastern Turkey as you mentioned but over time a range of cultural influences would come to this region. And yes Armenians do have some similarities and cross influences with Caucasian peoples too. You can find similiar music and dances amongst Armenians as with other Caucasian peoples. there is an ancient extiinct non indo european speaking people called the Urartians they are thought to have blended in with the Indo European speaking Armen people to form the early Armenians. The Urartians are also thought to have blended with some of the caucasian peoples too notably the Chechens. Here is example of Armenian dance Lezginka which you can find same and very similiar dance and music all through the Caucasus and made famous usually by the Georgians. Also the Armenian folk dance costumes especially the womens costumes are often similiar to Caucasian folk costumes. [youtube] [youtube] Armenians have for long time been a diaspora people and hence have accumulated a lot of various influences, as I see it these can be combination of... mild middle eastern/Persian, Caucasian, Byzantine/Greek, European/Russian/Slavic, they have for a long time been a western looking (meaning looking to the west) finding much in common with Christian peoples of europe more so than the Islamic nations that neighbour them. Armenians have been minorities in European countries such as Poland, Russia, Bulgaria, Italy, for at least 1000 years... several Byzantine Emperors were of Armenian origin.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 6, 2013 8:09:24 GMT -5
^^^ Nice summary, Also, before the arrival of the Slavs Armenians used to form the military class of the eastern Roman empire (Nikiphoros phokas and such).
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Post by rex362 on Jan 6, 2013 10:16:17 GMT -5
named by them yes ...built by others
and don't confuse your vast Bulgarian period with the tiny serbian period .....its easy to do bro
200 years and 20 years of control is a big difference
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 16:22:32 GMT -5
named by them yes ...built by others and don't confuse your vast Bulgarian period with the tiny serbian period .....its easy to do bro 200 years and 20 years of control is a big difference Rex...albanians are not native to epirus ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 7, 2013 0:52:13 GMT -5
named by them yes ...built by others and don't confuse your vast Bulgarian period with the tiny serbian period .....its easy to do bro 200 years and 20 years of control is a big difference lol, ignorant chechen wannabe vlah, there are dates, names, etc... stop chasing shadows. There is nothing Bulgarian at least in our lands (epiros). ha ha, are you suggesting that e.g. the castle of Ioannina, and the great Meteoron in meteora, were built by Bulgarians? HA HA HA, built y who then? THE CHECHENS??? HA HA HA.... the chechens can only destroy .... never build....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 7, 2013 5:31:11 GMT -5
^ Thats right brate, they only know how to destroy and follow embarrassing theories, like Illyrian
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Post by balkan4life on Jan 9, 2013 13:57:17 GMT -5
...... Actually, I found out about this by studying the ancient history of the Caucasus. HighDuke more or less confirmed it. It would certainly explain why Shqiptars didn't exist in the Balkans until the Turks showed up and why they're completely unlike Slavs or Greeks or Italians. Actually its a common mistake and a theory that has been disproved by both historians archaelogists and linguists..as a serb i will tell you that albanians are actually the original inhabitants of the balkans..this proves everything.... A COLLECTION OF VARIOUS CITATIONS REGARDING ALBANIANS AND THEIR LANGUAGE BEING MOST ANCIENT ONE IN WHOLE EUROPE 1. Encyclopedia Britannica, p. 483: “The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula. They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan, immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Ilryrians, Macedonians and Epirots; the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pro-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also ” Pelasgian,” but in a wider sense. Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the CÍegt, or northern, and the Tasks, or southern, Albanians”. The Via Egnatia, which Strain)(vii. fragment 3) describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of the Shkumb, which now separates the Ghegs and the Tosks. The same geographer (v. 2.221) states that the Epirots were also called Pelasgians; the Pelasgian Zeus was worshipped at Dodona (Homer, II. xvi. 234), and the neighbourhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia (Herodotus ii. 56). The meaning of the term ” Pelasgian ” is, however, too obscure to furnish, a basis for ethnographical speculation; in the time of Herodotus it may have already come to denote a period rather than a race. The name Tosk is possibly identical with ’1′im.tts, Etruscus, while the form Tyrrhenus perhaps survives in Tirana“. 2. Culture worlds, Richard Joël Russell, Fred Bowerman Kniffen, 1951, p. 202: “Thraco-Illyrian was one of the earliest Indo- European languages in Europe. It survives only in Albanian”. 3. One Europe, many nations: a historical dictionary of European national groups, James Minahan,2000, p. 29: “The Albanian language forms the only surviving dialect of the Thraco-Illyrian branch of the Indo-European languages. Seems to validate the Albanian claim to be the Balkan peninsula’s original inhabitants“. 4. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 5. World history, Hutton Webster, P. 530: “No other part of Europe of equal extent contains so many different peoples as the Balkan Peninsula. The original inhabitants are represented to-day by the Albanians”. 6. Albania, MaryLee Knowlton, Juvenile Nonfiction, 2005, p. 19: “The Human History of Albania begins in the Paleolithic period, roughly 100.000 to 10.000 B.C. Tools retrieved from along the Ionian Sea show that an ancient civilization existed at the foot of Mount Dajti near Tirana. More recently, around 5000 B.C, a settlement in the southern coastal area left the remains of the Huts, earthenware, and tools. The civilization known as the Cakran Settlement also left vases decorated with painted motifs of human beings. These people were the ancient Illyrians, a loosely formed group of Mediterranean tribes who were ancestors to the peoples of classical Rome and Greece….” 7. The Earth and its inhabitants Europe, Elisee Reclus , Edited by E.G Ravensteir,E.R.G.S., F.S.,Rrc Vol. 1 Greece, Turkey in Europe, Rumania, Serbia, Montenogro, Italy, Spain and Portugal. New York 1882: “The Shkipetars or Albanians are subdivided into two leading tribes or nations the Tosks and the Gheges both of whom are no doubt descended from the ancient Pelasgians but have in many places become mixed with Slavs Bulgarians and Rumanians and perhaps even with other nations for whilst in some tribes we meet with the purest Hellenic types there are others the members of which are repulsively ugly. The Gheges are the purest of their race and they occupy under various tribal names the whole of Northern Albania as far as the river Shkumbi. The territory of the Tosks extends from that river southward The dialects of these two nations differ much and it is not easy for an Acroceraunian to understand a Mirdit or other Albanian from the north Gheges and Tosks detest each other. In the Turkish army they are kept separated for fear of their coming to blows and when an insurrection has to be suppressed amongst them the Turkish Government always avails itself of these tribal jealousies and is certain of being served with the zeal and fury which hatred inspires. Up to the period of the migration of the barbarians the whole of Eastern Turkey as far as the Danube was held by Albanians But they were then pushed back and Albania was entirely occupied by Servians and Bulgarians.” 8. PROCEEDINGS OF THE CANADIAN INSTITUTE Third series vol. 1886-87: “The primitive seat of the Aryans before their dispersion was in Europe. The Swiss lake dwellers and the old Pelasgians who survive in the Albanians of to day were descended from the primitive Aryan stock”. A SCHOOL HISTORY OF THE GREAT WAR by ALBERT E. McKINLEY PG. 27: ‘The ALBANIANS. – The Albanian people are descended from the most ancient of all the races in the Balkan peninsula; their language is the oldest language spoken in Europe” 10. ALBANIA by Gloria La Cava, Raffaella Nanetii, 2000, p. 20: “The country is ethnically very homogenous: 98 percent ot its inhabitants are ethnic Albanians, descended from the Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 11. The Journal of Race Development, 1912, p. 56: “Thus the Albanians can justly claim to be one of the oldest and purest races in Europe”. 12. The new republic, Herbert David Croly, 1969, p. 197: “The Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans” The new Europe, Bernard Newman, 1972, p.366: “The Albanians are the descedants of one of the oldest of the Balkan races; they are like the Basques in Western Europe…”. 14. The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture – Michael Vincent O’Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke, 1917, p. 147: “The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula…”. 15. Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, R.J.Crampton, 1994, p.22: “The Albanians are an Indo-Europian race speaking a language frequently believed to be the oldest in Europe…”. 16. The misionary review of the world” p. 780: “Albanians…They are the direct descedants of the ancient Illyrians, Macedonians, Epirotes, the offspring of the Pelasgians…”. 17. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. 18. World without end: the safa of southeastern Europe, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1939, p.6: “The Albanians, a nation of a million and a half mountaineers, are presumed to stem from the Barbaric Thracians, or from the Illyrian pirates whom Caesar had a hard time subduing”. 19. The new Encyclopaedia Britannica: A-ak – Bayes: Volume 1 Encyclopaedia britannica inc, Ilan Yeshua – 2002: “Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian”. 20. A Ride Through the Balkans, on Classic Ground with a Camera, Conway Agnes Ethel, 2009, p. 181: “In truth the Albanians are the oldest race in Europe, and speak a language that is pre-Greek. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who gave to Philip of Macedon his wife Olympias, who became the mother of Alexander the Great”. 21. The International geographic encyclopedia and atlas, Houghton Mifflin Company,1979,p. 14: “The Albanians are reputedly descendants of Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 22. Harvard Slavic studies: Volume 1, 1953, p.365: “…the Albanians (descendants of the aboriginal Illyrians and Thracians)“. 23. Peace handbooks, Great Britain. Foreign Office. Historical Section, George W. Prothero, 1973, 7: “It is now generally believed that the modern Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians and Thracians of classical times…“ 24. Eagles in cobwebs: nationalism and communism in the Balkans, Paul Lendvai,1969, p. 28: “Yet modern Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who in the fifth century bc were mentioned by the Greeks as inhabiting the peninsula together with the Thracians”. 25. Macedonia, its people and history, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1982, p. 45: “It is the prevalent view that the Albanians are direct descendants of the Illyrians, though they may partly come from the ancient Thracians or even the prehistoric Pelasgians“. 26. The Balkans, 1815-1914, Leften Stavros Stavrianos, 1963, p. 6: “Thus today the descendants of these Illyrians, known as the Albanians, occupy only a small mountainous area along the southern Adriatic coast”. 27. Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations: Europe, Gale Group, 2001, p. 3: “The Albanians are considered descendants of ancient Illyrian or Thracian tribes of Indo-European origin that may have come to the Balkan Peninsula even before the Greeks”. 28. European Diplomacy and the Balkan Problem, SP Duggan, 1913: “Albania has been the Ulster of Turkey. Its inhabitants are descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians driven into the mountains by the Slavic invaders of the seventh and later centuries”. 29. Australian Slavonic and East European studies: journal of the Australian and New Zealand Slavists’ Association and of the Australasian Association for the Study of the Socialist Countries, Volumes 4-5, 1990, p. 200: “The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of a group of peoples known as the Illyrians, the Thracians and the Dacians”. 30. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 31. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. Now as a Serbian socialist Dimitrije Tucović believed and stated that the hatred of Serbia by the Albanian people was caused by Serbian colonialism, which victimised overwhelmingly Albanian Kosovo.[56] Tucović stated that Serbian occupation of Albania in the Balkan wars caused the Albanian people to feel hatred of everything Serbian.[57] He concluded that Serbia wanted the sea and the colony, but left without getting the sea, and by colonising Kosovo created a blood enemy.[58] No wonder id hate someone as well that would try and treat me as second class citizen and controlled my land..the kosovar people had exactly the same situation as the krajina people only they received us backing krajina didnt
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 9, 2013 14:16:34 GMT -5
cool text im gonna save it
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 9, 2013 14:24:31 GMT -5
...... Actually, I found out about this by studying the ancient history of the Caucasus. HighDuke more or less confirmed it. It would certainly explain why Shqiptars didn't exist in the Balkans until the Turks showed up and why they're completely unlike Slavs or Greeks or Italians. Actually its a common mistake and a theory that has been disproved by both historians archaelogists and linguists..as a serb i will tell you that albanians are actually the original inhabitants of the balkans..this proves everything.... A COLLECTION OF VARIOUS CITATIONS REGARDING ALBANIANS AND THEIR LANGUAGE BEING MOST ANCIENT ONE IN WHOLE EUROPE 1. Encyclopedia Britannica, p. 483: “The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula. They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan, immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Ilryrians, Macedonians and Epirots; the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pro-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also ” Pelasgian,” but in a wider sense. Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the CÍegt, or northern, and the Tasks, or southern, Albanians”. The Via Egnatia, which Strain)(vii. fragment 3) describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of the Shkumb, which now separates the Ghegs and the Tosks. The same geographer (v. 2.221) states that the Epirots were also called Pelasgians; the Pelasgian Zeus was worshipped at Dodona (Homer, II. xvi. 234), and the neighbourhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia (Herodotus ii. 56). The meaning of the term ” Pelasgian ” is, however, too obscure to furnish, a basis for ethnographical speculation; in the time of Herodotus it may have already come to denote a period rather than a race. The name Tosk is possibly identical with ’1′im.tts, Etruscus, while the form Tyrrhenus perhaps survives in Tirana“. 2. Culture worlds, Richard Joël Russell, Fred Bowerman Kniffen, 1951, p. 202: “Thraco-Illyrian was one of the earliest Indo- European languages in Europe. It survives only in Albanian”. 3. One Europe, many nations: a historical dictionary of European national groups, James Minahan,2000, p. 29: “The Albanian language forms the only surviving dialect of the Thraco-Illyrian branch of the Indo-European languages. Seems to validate the Albanian claim to be the Balkan peninsula’s original inhabitants“. 4. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 5. World history, Hutton Webster, P. 530: “No other part of Europe of equal extent contains so many different peoples as the Balkan Peninsula. The original inhabitants are represented to-day by the Albanians”. 6. Albania, MaryLee Knowlton, Juvenile Nonfiction, 2005, p. 19: “The Human History of Albania begins in the Paleolithic period, roughly 100.000 to 10.000 B.C. Tools retrieved from along the Ionian Sea show that an ancient civilization existed at the foot of Mount Dajti near Tirana. More recently, around 5000 B.C, a settlement in the southern coastal area left the remains of the Huts, earthenware, and tools. The civilization known as the Cakran Settlement also left vases decorated with painted motifs of human beings. These people were the ancient Illyrians, a loosely formed group of Mediterranean tribes who were ancestors to the peoples of classical Rome and Greece….” 7. The Earth and its inhabitants Europe, Elisee Reclus , Edited by E.G Ravensteir,E.R.G.S., F.S.,Rrc Vol. 1 Greece, Turkey in Europe, Rumania, Serbia, Montenogro, Italy, Spain and Portugal. New York 1882: “The Shkipetars or Albanians are subdivided into two leading tribes or nations the Tosks and the Gheges both of whom are no doubt descended from the ancient Pelasgians but have in many places become mixed with Slavs Bulgarians and Rumanians and perhaps even with other nations for whilst in some tribes we meet with the purest Hellenic types there are others the members of which are repulsively ugly. The Gheges are the purest of their race and they occupy under various tribal names the whole of Northern Albania as far as the river Shkumbi. The territory of the Tosks extends from that river southward The dialects of these two nations differ much and it is not easy for an Acroceraunian to understand a Mirdit or other Albanian from the north Gheges and Tosks detest each other. In the Turkish army they are kept separated for fear of their coming to blows and when an insurrection has to be suppressed amongst them the Turkish Government always avails itself of these tribal jealousies and is certain of being served with the zeal and fury which hatred inspires. Up to the period of the migration of the barbarians the whole of Eastern Turkey as far as the Danube was held by Albanians But they were then pushed back and Albania was entirely occupied by Servians and Bulgarians.” 8. PROCEEDINGS OF THE CANADIAN INSTITUTE Third series vol. 1886-87: “The primitive seat of the Aryans before their dispersion was in Europe. The Swiss lake dwellers and the old Pelasgians who survive in the Albanians of to day were descended from the primitive Aryan stock”. A SCHOOL HISTORY OF THE GREAT WAR by ALBERT E. McKINLEY PG. 27: ‘The ALBANIANS. – The Albanian people are descended from the most ancient of all the races in the Balkan peninsula; their language is the oldest language spoken in Europe” 10. ALBANIA by Gloria La Cava, Raffaella Nanetii, 2000, p. 20: “The country is ethnically very homogenous: 98 percent ot its inhabitants are ethnic Albanians, descended from the Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 11. The Journal of Race Development, 1912, p. 56: “Thus the Albanians can justly claim to be one of the oldest and purest races in Europe”. 12. The new republic, Herbert David Croly, 1969, p. 197: “The Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans” The new Europe, Bernard Newman, 1972, p.366: “The Albanians are the descedants of one of the oldest of the Balkan races; they are like the Basques in Western Europe…”. 14. The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture – Michael Vincent O’Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke, 1917, p. 147: “The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula…”. 15. Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, R.J.Crampton, 1994, p.22: “The Albanians are an Indo-Europian race speaking a language frequently believed to be the oldest in Europe…”. 16. The misionary review of the world” p. 780: “Albanians…They are the direct descedants of the ancient Illyrians, Macedonians, Epirotes, the offspring of the Pelasgians…”. 17. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. 18. World without end: the safa of southeastern Europe, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1939, p.6: “The Albanians, a nation of a million and a half mountaineers, are presumed to stem from the Barbaric Thracians, or from the Illyrian pirates whom Caesar had a hard time subduing”. 19. The new Encyclopaedia Britannica: A-ak – Bayes: Volume 1 Encyclopaedia britannica inc, Ilan Yeshua – 2002: “Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian”. 20. A Ride Through the Balkans, on Classic Ground with a Camera, Conway Agnes Ethel, 2009, p. 181: “In truth the Albanians are the oldest race in Europe, and speak a language that is pre-Greek. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who gave to Philip of Macedon his wife Olympias, who became the mother of Alexander the Great”. 21. The International geographic encyclopedia and atlas, Houghton Mifflin Company,1979,p. 14: “The Albanians are reputedly descendants of Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 22. Harvard Slavic studies: Volume 1, 1953, p.365: “…the Albanians (descendants of the aboriginal Illyrians and Thracians)“. 23. Peace handbooks, Great Britain. Foreign Office. Historical Section, George W. Prothero, 1973, 7: “It is now generally believed that the modern Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians and Thracians of classical times…“ 24. Eagles in cobwebs: nationalism and communism in the Balkans, Paul Lendvai,1969, p. 28: “Yet modern Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who in the fifth century bc were mentioned by the Greeks as inhabiting the peninsula together with the Thracians”. 25. Macedonia, its people and history, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1982, p. 45: “It is the prevalent view that the Albanians are direct descendants of the Illyrians, though they may partly come from the ancient Thracians or even the prehistoric Pelasgians“. 26. The Balkans, 1815-1914, Leften Stavros Stavrianos, 1963, p. 6: “Thus today the descendants of these Illyrians, known as the Albanians, occupy only a small mountainous area along the southern Adriatic coast”. 27. Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations: Europe, Gale Group, 2001, p. 3: “The Albanians are considered descendants of ancient Illyrian or Thracian tribes of Indo-European origin that may have come to the Balkan Peninsula even before the Greeks”. 28. European Diplomacy and the Balkan Problem, SP Duggan, 1913: “Albania has been the Ulster of Turkey. Its inhabitants are descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians driven into the mountains by the Slavic invaders of the seventh and later centuries”. 29. Australian Slavonic and East European studies: journal of the Australian and New Zealand Slavists’ Association and of the Australasian Association for the Study of the Socialist Countries, Volumes 4-5, 1990, p. 200: “The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of*group of peoples known as the Illyrians, the Thracians and the Dacians”. 30. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 31. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. Now as a Serbian socialist Dimitrije Tucović believed and stated that the hatred of Serbia by the Albanian people was caused by Serbian colonialism, which victimised overwhelmingly Albanian Kosovo.[56] Tucović stated that Serbian occupation of Albania in the Balkan wars caused the Albanian people to feel hatred of everything Serbian.[57] He concluded that Serbia wanted the sea and the colony, but left without getting the sea, and by colonising Kosovo created a blood enemy.[58] No wonder id hate someone as well that would try and treat me as second class citizen and controlled my land..the kosovar people had exactly the same situation as the krajina people only they received us backing krajina didnt Kakav kurac pusis I wish Serbs were colonialists but you couldn't be more wrong decko you're failed attempt at pushing your identity issues on our nation is reasons enough to put you in the front of the line. So what now I will ask, are the Bosniaks and Croats a product of what was once Serbian colonialism? How about the Macedonians. You are truly mad to think the Serbs were this great to be able to perform such an operation and in the end have all our subjects turn against us. Get off the drugs or just continue to be an Albanian. I don't know which is less detrimental on one's health and mental state you pick.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 9, 2013 14:27:30 GMT -5
^You guys tried and failed. Balkan4life +1
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 9, 2013 14:32:38 GMT -5
^You guys tried and failed. Balkan4life +1 I doubt you understand the content he posted, I think you barely grasp the terminology and don't try me You are the living evidence that your destiny as a people and as you, an individual are to be a slave, always to seek acceptance among brothers for you are weak alone.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 9, 2013 15:24:31 GMT -5
^You guys tried and failed. Balkan4life +1 I doubt you understand the content he posted, I think you barely grasp the terminology and don't try me You are the living evidence that your destiny as a people and as you, an individual are to be a slave, always to seek acceptance among brothers for you are weak alone. You didn't even read it ...... And what acceptance do you speak of? Albanians have been alone until the 90s. We only multiplied while you ...... drank yourselves to declining numbers in population. Let alone treating unborn babies as if they were hang nails. The almighty Serbs...lol. Now go back to where you came from.
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 10, 2013 1:44:12 GMT -5
^You guys tried and failed. Balkan4life +1 I doubt you understand the content he posted, I think you barely grasp the terminology and don't try me You are the living evidence that your destiny as a people and as you, an individual are to be a slave, always to seek acceptance among brothers for you are weak alone. alvo from wich village are you?
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Post by balkan4life on Jan 10, 2013 1:48:16 GMT -5
Actually its a common mistake and a theory that has been disproved by both historians archaelogists and linguists..as a serb i will tell you that albanians are actually the original inhabitants of the balkans..this proves everything.... A COLLECTION OF VARIOUS CITATIONS REGARDING ALBANIANS AND THEIR LANGUAGE BEING MOST ANCIENT ONE IN WHOLE EUROPE 1. Encyclopedia Britannica, p. 483: “The Albanians are apparently the most ancient race in southeastern Europe. History and legend afford no record of their arrival in the Balkan Peninsula. They are probably the descendants of the earliest Aryan, immigrants, who were represented in historical times by the kindred Ilryrians, Macedonians and Epirots; the Macedonians and Epirots are believed by Hahn to have formed the core of the pro-Hellenic Tyrrheno-Pelasgian population which inhabited the southern portion of the peninsula and extended its limits to Thrace and Italy. The Illyrians were also ” Pelasgian,” but in a wider sense. Of these cognate races, which are described by the Greek writers as barbarous or non-Hellenic, the Illyrians and Epirots, he thinks, were respectively the progenitors of the CÍegt, or northern, and the Tasks, or southern, Albanians”. The Via Egnatia, which Strain)(vii. fragment 3) describes as forming the boundary between the Illyrians and Epirots, practically corresponds with the course of the Shkumb, which now separates the Ghegs and the Tosks. The same geographer (v. 2.221) states that the Epirots were also called Pelasgians; the Pelasgian Zeus was worshipped at Dodona (Homer, II. xvi. 234), and the neighbourhood of the sanctuary was called Pelasgia (Herodotus ii. 56). The meaning of the term ” Pelasgian ” is, however, too obscure to furnish, a basis for ethnographical speculation; in the time of Herodotus it may have already come to denote a period rather than a race. The name Tosk is possibly identical with ’1′im.tts, Etruscus, while the form Tyrrhenus perhaps survives in Tirana“. 2. Culture worlds, Richard Joël Russell, Fred Bowerman Kniffen, 1951, p. 202: “Thraco-Illyrian was one of the earliest Indo- European languages in Europe. It survives only in Albanian”. 3. One Europe, many nations: a historical dictionary of European national groups, James Minahan,2000, p. 29: “The Albanian language forms the only surviving dialect of the Thraco-Illyrian branch of the Indo-European languages. Seems to validate the Albanian claim to be the Balkan peninsula’s original inhabitants“. 4. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 5. World history, Hutton Webster, P. 530: “No other part of Europe of equal extent contains so many different peoples as the Balkan Peninsula. The original inhabitants are represented to-day by the Albanians”. 6. Albania, MaryLee Knowlton, Juvenile Nonfiction, 2005, p. 19: “The Human History of Albania begins in the Paleolithic period, roughly 100.000 to 10.000 B.C. Tools retrieved from along the Ionian Sea show that an ancient civilization existed at the foot of Mount Dajti near Tirana. More recently, around 5000 B.C, a settlement in the southern coastal area left the remains of the Huts, earthenware, and tools. The civilization known as the Cakran Settlement also left vases decorated with painted motifs of human beings. These people were the ancient Illyrians, a loosely formed group of Mediterranean tribes who were ancestors to the peoples of classical Rome and Greece….” 7. The Earth and its inhabitants Europe, Elisee Reclus , Edited by E.G Ravensteir,E.R.G.S., F.S.,Rrc Vol. 1 Greece, Turkey in Europe, Rumania, Serbia, Montenogro, Italy, Spain and Portugal. New York 1882: “The Shkipetars or Albanians are subdivided into two leading tribes or nations the Tosks and the Gheges both of whom are no doubt descended from the ancient Pelasgians but have in many places become mixed with Slavs Bulgarians and Rumanians and perhaps even with other nations for whilst in some tribes we meet with the purest Hellenic types there are others the members of which are repulsively ugly. The Gheges are the purest of their race and they occupy under various tribal names the whole of Northern Albania as far as the river Shkumbi. The territory of the Tosks extends from that river southward The dialects of these two nations differ much and it is not easy for an Acroceraunian to understand a Mirdit or other Albanian from the north Gheges and Tosks detest each other. In the Turkish army they are kept separated for fear of their coming to blows and when an insurrection has to be suppressed amongst them the Turkish Government always avails itself of these tribal jealousies and is certain of being served with the zeal and fury which hatred inspires. Up to the period of the migration of the barbarians the whole of Eastern Turkey as far as the Danube was held by Albanians But they were then pushed back and Albania was entirely occupied by Servians and Bulgarians.” 8. PROCEEDINGS OF THE CANADIAN INSTITUTE Third series vol. 1886-87: “The primitive seat of the Aryans before their dispersion was in Europe. The Swiss lake dwellers and the old Pelasgians who survive in the Albanians of to day were descended from the primitive Aryan stock”. A SCHOOL HISTORY OF THE GREAT WAR by ALBERT E. McKINLEY PG. 27: ‘The ALBANIANS. – The Albanian people are descended from the most ancient of all the races in the Balkan peninsula; their language is the oldest language spoken in Europe” 10. ALBANIA by Gloria La Cava, Raffaella Nanetii, 2000, p. 20: “The country is ethnically very homogenous: 98 percent ot its inhabitants are ethnic Albanians, descended from the Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 11. The Journal of Race Development, 1912, p. 56: “Thus the Albanians can justly claim to be one of the oldest and purest races in Europe”. 12. The new republic, Herbert David Croly, 1969, p. 197: “The Albanians are the oldest people of the Balkans” The new Europe, Bernard Newman, 1972, p.366: “The Albanians are the descedants of one of the oldest of the Balkan races; they are like the Basques in Western Europe…”. 14. The world book: organized knowledge in story and picture – Michael Vincent O’Shea, Ellsworth D. Foster, George Herbert Locke, 1917, p. 147: “The Albanians are the oldest original inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula…”. 15. Eastern Europe in the twentieth century, R.J.Crampton, 1994, p.22: “The Albanians are an Indo-Europian race speaking a language frequently believed to be the oldest in Europe…”. 16. The misionary review of the world” p. 780: “Albanians…They are the direct descedants of the ancient Illyrians, Macedonians, Epirotes, the offspring of the Pelasgians…”. 17. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. 18. World without end: the safa of southeastern Europe, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1939, p.6: “The Albanians, a nation of a million and a half mountaineers, are presumed to stem from the Barbaric Thracians, or from the Illyrian pirates whom Caesar had a hard time subduing”. 19. The new Encyclopaedia Britannica: A-ak – Bayes: Volume 1 Encyclopaedia britannica inc, Ilan Yeshua – 2002: “Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian”. 20. A Ride Through the Balkans, on Classic Ground with a Camera, Conway Agnes Ethel, 2009, p. 181: “In truth the Albanians are the oldest race in Europe, and speak a language that is pre-Greek. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who gave to Philip of Macedon his wife Olympias, who became the mother of Alexander the Great”. 21. The International geographic encyclopedia and atlas, Houghton Mifflin Company,1979,p. 14: “The Albanians are reputedly descendants of Illyrian and Thracian tribes”. 22. Harvard Slavic studies: Volume 1, 1953, p.365: “…the Albanians (descendants of the aboriginal Illyrians and Thracians)“. 23. Peace handbooks, Great Britain. Foreign Office. Historical Section, George W. Prothero, 1973, 7: “It is now generally believed that the modern Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians and Thracians of classical times…“ 24. Eagles in cobwebs: nationalism and communism in the Balkans, Paul Lendvai,1969, p. 28: “Yet modern Albanians are the oldest inhabitants of the Balkans, the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who in the fifth century bc were mentioned by the Greeks as inhabiting the peninsula together with the Thracians”. 25. Macedonia, its people and history, Stoyan Pribichevich, 1982, p. 45: “It is the prevalent view that the Albanians are direct descendants of the Illyrians, though they may partly come from the ancient Thracians or even the prehistoric Pelasgians“. 26. The Balkans, 1815-1914, Leften Stavros Stavrianos, 1963, p. 6: “Thus today the descendants of these Illyrians, known as the Albanians, occupy only a small mountainous area along the southern Adriatic coast”. 27. Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations: Europe, Gale Group, 2001, p. 3: “The Albanians are considered descendants of ancient Illyrian or Thracian tribes of Indo-European origin that may have come to the Balkan Peninsula even before the Greeks”. 28. European Diplomacy and the Balkan Problem, SP Duggan, 1913: “Albania has been the Ulster of Turkey. Its inhabitants are descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians driven into the mountains by the Slavic invaders of the seventh and later centuries”. 29. Australian Slavonic and East European studies: journal of the Australian and New Zealand Slavists’ Association and of the Australasian Association for the Study of the Socialist Countries, Volumes 4-5, 1990, p. 200: “The oldest surviving inhabitants are the Albanians, descendants of*group of peoples known as the Illyrians, the Thracians and the Dacians”. 30. Balkan Background, Bernard Newman, 2007, p.231: “Albania is the youngest country of the Balkans, but its people are the oldest. They are probably the descendants of the ancient Thracians and Illyrians; their language, despite infusions of words from neibhbouring races, is quite unlike any other Balkan tongue. At one time they occupied the whole of the Southern Balkans, and were a vigorous and dynamic people: Alexander the Great is claimed to have been of Albanian origin. Gradually they were encompassed in their present home, much as the Basques were crowded into their Biscayan corner, by the tribes surging from the east; or as the remnants of the British tribes were pushed westwards into the mountains of Wales”. 31. The historians’ history of the world, Henry Smith Williams, 1909, p. 156: “Of the Illyrians and Epirots only the wild Albanians, or Arnauts, are still in existence. Next to the Basques the Albanians are the oldest people in Europe”. Now as a Serbian socialist Dimitrije Tucović believed and stated that the hatred of Serbia by the Albanian people was caused by Serbian colonialism, which victimised overwhelmingly Albanian Kosovo.[56] Tucović stated that Serbian occupation of Albania in the Balkan wars caused the Albanian people to feel hatred of everything Serbian.[57] He concluded that Serbia wanted the sea and the colony, but left without getting the sea, and by colonising Kosovo created a blood enemy.[58] No wonder id hate someone as well that would try and treat me as second class citizen and controlled my land..the kosovar people had exactly the same situation as the krajina people only they received us backing krajina didnt Kakav kurac pusis I wish Serbs were colonialists but you couldn't be more wrong decko you're failed attempt at pushing your identity issues on our nation is reasons enough to put you in the front of the line. So what now I will ask, are the Bosniaks and Croats a product of what was once Serbian colonialism? How about the Macedonians. You are truly mad to think the Serbs were this great to be able to perform such an operation and in the end have all our subjects turn against us. Get off the drugs or just continue to be an Albanian. I don't know which is less detrimental on one's health and mental state you pick. ok bro let me tell you something...putting albanians aside, croats and serbs have been rivals since ancient times croatians are serbians ancient enemy which even in antiquity serboi and horohravats had rivalry...now as for 'bosnian' muslims both you and i know that they are simply serbian muslims which is all from the ottoman empire ...now the problem woth serbs is that they are very nationalistic yet backstabbing and krajina people are an example of having been sold out by serbs from serbia..now serbian mentality is if you convert you are no longer a serb but a 'muslim' whilst in other countries its just a religion and the persons nationality is taken first ie albanians, iranians, kurds, lebanese...its a very big shame that serbs and their muslim brothers have hatred and bloodbath yet they are the same...i respect albanians for having that unity and pact and pride where there is no hate amongst themselves if serbs were like this serbia would not be in the situation it is today i promise you that even hamshem armenians (muslim) armenians are welcomed back homeas brothers in armenia yet it saddens me and breaks my heart to see hatred between serbs and bosniaks...real shame
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 10, 2013 1:51:32 GMT -5
Kakav kurac pusis I wish Serbs were colonialists but you couldn't be more wrong decko you're failed attempt at pushing your identity issues on our nation is reasons enough to put you in the front of the line. So what now I will ask, are the Bosniaks and Croats a product of what was once Serbian colonialism? How about the Macedonians. You are truly mad to think the Serbs were this great to be able to perform such an operation and in the end have all our subjects turn against us. Get off the drugs or just continue to be an Albanian. I don't know which is less detrimental on one's health and mental state you pick. ok bro let me tell you something...putting albanians aside, croats and serbs have been rivals since ancient times croatians are serbians ancient enemy which even in antiquity serboi and horohravats had rivalry...now as for 'bosnian' muslims both you and i know that they are simply serbian muslims which is all from the ottoman empire ...now the problem woth serbs is that they are very nationalistic yet backstabbing and krajina people are an example of having been sold out by serbs from serbia..now serbian mentality is if you convert you are no longer a serb but a 'muslim' whilst in other countries its just a religion and the persons nationality is taken first ie albanians, iranians, kurds, lebanese...its a very big shame that serbs and their muslim brothers have hatred and bloodbath yet they are the same...i respect albanians for having that unity and pact and pride where there is no hate amongst themselves if serbs were like this serbia would not be in the situation it is today i promise you that even hamshem armenians (muslim) armenians are welcomed back homeas brothers in armenia yet it saddens me and breaks my heart to see hatred between serbs and bosniaks...real shame there is no serbia without hate... when hate wanish serbs wanish... serbia knowed this... did their best... to create hate... with propaganda ala yellow house... and lose... thats the future of the serbia every day singing the lose song... losing, losing, losing', 14x Everyday Im day Im losing, 15x
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Post by balkan4life on Jan 10, 2013 2:02:40 GMT -5
serbia needs to realise it has more 'christian' enemies and more 'muslim' friends in foreign relations...religion at the end of day is just to control society like ancient times where everyone had their own religions (greeks, romans, iranian zoroastrianism etc) serbs need to wake up and realise what their stubborness is costing them, their nationalism and ideologies..am not saying bosniaks are angels either or anyone else for that matter but i bekieve brotherhood is the only way forwards for a nation to survive you guys laugh at chechens yet chechens are able to preserve themselves from antiquity all through brotherhood...it is a big shane balkans is the way it is today
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 10, 2013 2:08:30 GMT -5
serbia needs to realise it has more 'christian' enemies and more 'muslim' friends in foreign relations...religion at the end of day is just to control society like ancient times where everyone had their own religions (greeks, romans, iranian zoroastrianism etc) serbs need to wake up and realise what their stubborness is costing them, their nationalism and ideologies..am not saying bosniaks are angels either or anyone else for that matter but i bekieve brotherhood is the only way forwards for a nation to survive you guys laugh at chechens yet chechens are able to preserve themselves from antiquity all through brotherhood...it is a big shane balkans is the way it is today serbia played her hate game... serbia will never have friends who will serbia trust... not even russia... and for sure not here neigbouring countrys... romania hungary bosnia albania monte negro croatia... not even bulgaria... maybe there would be some chance for serbia to normalize in 500 bc but not on today society... where everyone can reach facts without no problems... serbia cant fool anyone... so serbia will slowly end to exist... thanks to themselves afcourse... btw about balkan its trully only the serbs... who did it all... so i dont agree with you i also do not agree that there is last 50 years about religion... there is serbian nationalizm.... who feel themselves beter than croats and bosniaks... and other neigbouring nations who think nicola tesla was serb who think they realy won from nazis and from commys... who realy controled whole balkan and ever realy played some important role in balkans... and that everyone hated them and wanted them dead... but the facts tell us somthing different... the only real agressor in balkan was serbia... if you ask me serbia is like smeagol victimize play scared himself... but in meantime wanting to kill
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