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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 12, 2013 22:39:10 GMT -5
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 12, 2013 23:34:07 GMT -5
whats the problem?
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 12:38:43 GMT -5
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Post by lokii on Jan 14, 2013 16:21:01 GMT -5
lol love the expresions on Jeremics face.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 17:08:41 GMT -5
he just squeezing his hand and it hurts ......
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 17:42:23 GMT -5
Rex what's the problem here. We have mutual economical and trade cooperation with Turkey. This is no charity case. With Albanians, the Turks see you as a little child that needs support. They feel they have a responsibility to fullfill with the Albanians for they have led you towards path you are walking today. Go to Turkey and ask any Turk this.
The Albanian consciousness doesn't know what to think of it, one part of the brain says FUCK the TURKS they enslaved us, raped and ravaged our lands, the other side of the shiptar brain says, YES TURKEY, they supported Albanians throughout the Ottoman conquests and protected Albanians from the [non-beleivers] when they seeked revenge from Albanian treasonous acts, they helped them...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 18:00:53 GMT -5
see my son ....you don't understand one thing ...if the turks loved us that much and we loved them they would of made sure we were the power and be and stay in power ....was not the case
in common sense mode ....the empire was there 500 years and we were its citizens like it or not ...we had times of turmoil with them and times or neutrality .....we had mosques and prisons built Vuk got you fountains and bridges
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 18:30:26 GMT -5
see my son ....you don't understand one thing ...if the turks loved us that much and we loved them they would of made sure we were the power and be and stay in power ....was not the case in common sense mode ....the empire was there 500 years and we were its citizens like it or not ...we had times of turmoil with them and times or neutrality .....we had mosques and prisons built Vuk got you fountains and bridges You still don't get it do you. The shiptars were never capable of functioning in a higher-heiarchy and the Turks do not love you, as I said, they see you as a dependant child but they do speak positively about the Albanians during their times in Balkan, you were very good to them. You forget that the Albanians were split, the Christians hated the Ottomans, you're Muslims embraced them. You can still see this trend today in Kosovo and this is why Turkey is taking advantage while they can.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 18:57:17 GMT -5
ooooh tell me more of this .....
bcs I heard Vuk was in laws with the turks before they even met Albanians
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 14, 2013 19:47:46 GMT -5
"The Albanian consciousness doesn't know what to think of it, one part of the brain says f**k the TURKS they enslaved us, raped and ravaged our lands, the other side of the shiptar brain says, YES TURKEY, they supported Albanians throughout the Ottoman conquests and protected Albanians from the [non-beleivers] when they seeked revenge from Albanian treasonous acts, they helped them..."
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"You forget that the Albanians were split, the Christians hated the Ottomans, you're Muslims embraced them. You can still see this trend today in Kosovo and this is why Turkey is taking advantage while they can."
PERFECT! Well said, Rex will be in a spin!
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 19:59:41 GMT -5
Novi ...where you been ?....not the same without you
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 20:01:38 GMT -5
All of the good serbian noble ladies went to turkey and reproduced your future leaders and back stabbers
your talking jibber -jabber trying to twist things
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 14, 2013 20:28:20 GMT -5
lol love the expresions on Jeremics face.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 21:04:09 GMT -5
Where's the Albanian flag? I guess the Albanians are playing their cards now... heel to Turkey, your master.
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 14, 2013 21:25:05 GMT -5
Where's the Albanian flag? I guess the Albanians are playing their cards now... heel to Turkey, your master. the turks raised kosovA flag... iit shows how much they respect kosova maybe you have some inner laugh but i dont get it...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 16, 2013 10:59:58 GMT -5
from a few decades ago
The curse of Kosovo Branka Magas digs up the roots of Serbian racism in a myth about a medieval war.
The current slaughter in the former Yugoslavia began under the sign of a myth about a battle fought 600 years ago. In 1389 at the Battle of Kosovo Field a multinational Christian force was defeated by its Ottoman foe. This was part of the expansion of the Ottoman Empire that eventually spent itself at the gates of Vienna some three centuries later. What actually happened in the Battle of Kosovo is a matter of dispute. But its importance to all the people of the region is undeniable: Bosnians, Serbs and Albanians all commemorate it in their folk songs. Yet it was only the Serbs who turned the defeat on Kosovo Field into a powerful national myth.
This happened in the second half of the nineteenth century when Serbia became an internationally recognized kingdom and was able to contemplate the ‘liberation of ancestral lands’ – the sandjak of Novi Pazar, Kosovo, Macedonia – from Ottoman rule. Since much of this territory was inhabited by non-Serbs, it was necessary to reinterpret the Kosovo battle as an exclusively Ottoman-Serb affair. The aim was to present the Albanians in particular, ethnically dominant throughout the Kosovo region, as usurpers of Serbian historic territory. They were portrayed as a ‘people without history’: a barbarian tribe genetically incapable of cultural or political development. Serb-Albanian conflict was thus built into the very foundation of the Kosovo myth. Indeed, from its early days the Serbian state practised a policy of mass expulsion and/or forced assimilation of non-Serb populations, thereby turning an ethnically heterogeneous region into a homogeneous Serb one.
The Kosovo myth is a textbook case of how national history is often reinvented in response to contemporary political needs. It implies that Serbs were the original masters of this part of the Balkans and that their great empire (itself actually fleeting and multinational in character) was extinguished on Kosovo Field. The reconquest of Kosovo, by implication, was not just a matter of revenge for the past, but a precondition for the very existence of the Serbs as a free people.1
The mythical reworking of the Kosovo battle also ignored the fact that the Ottoman side included the Sultan’s Christian vassals, some of them ethnically Serb – the conflict was presented instead as one between Christianity and Islam. And the strongly religious character of the Kosovo myth is what separates it from other national myths developed in the region during the nineteenth century.
According to the ‘classic’ Serb version, the defeat on Kosovo Field had a spiritual cause: Tsar Lazar’s conscious preference for a ‘heavenly’ rather than an ‘earthly’ empire. His choice made the Serbs by extension into a ‘heavenly’ people, a people chosen by God. The Serbian Orthodox Church survived the ensuing centuries as the only Serb national institution in both Ottoman and Habsburg lands. Other key components of national integration – such as codification of the vernacular as the printed language, or political independence – were acquired by the Serb nation only in the nineteenth century.
The Serbian Church was thus a state in embryo – a spiritual state in anticipation of a secular one. Whereas in Russia the church always remained subordinated to the secular authorities, in the Serbian case the church substituted for the state, preparing the ground for its eventual rebirth. When the multifaith state of Yugoslavia came into existence at the end of World War One the Church remained the most jealous guardian of Serb state and nation, imparting a strongly mystical dimension to Serb nationalism that has even survived modernization. It is here that critical intellectuals in present-day Serbia have found the seeds of Serb fascism.
Yugoslav nationalism took over the spiritual aspect of the Kosovo myth. Yugoslav nationalists hailed the creation of the south Slav state as an historic revenge against the original defeat in Kosovo and as an affirmation of the state’s divine origin. Here is how the prominent sculptor Ivan Mostrovic, ironically a Croat, rendered the Kosovo myth way back in 1915: ‘Kosovo is a crown of thorns borne by the suffering Yugoslav nation... There, on Kosovo, its Tsar spoke to God the night before the battle and chose the heavenly kingdom as the only eternal empire, thus making himself and hence also his people eternal... Only one soldier of this holy army remained, his eyes gouged out by the Turks. This farsighted blind gusle-player... set off among his enslaved people, preaching to them that justice is gained not by arms but by sacrifice and repentance... and the whole of the Yugoslav nation has become Tsar Lazar’s soldiers.’2
In 1986, a year before Slobodan Milosevic came to power, the Kosovo myth resurfaced to mobilize Serbs for an all-out conflict with other Yugoslavs. Tsar Lazar’s bones were dug up and carried in procession through the cities and villages of Serbia, where they were waited upon by Communist functionaries. Several hundred prominent intellectuals signed an anti-Albanian petition, in which the aggressive content of the Kosovo myth was revealed to the full. The Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences produced a notorious memorandum, which in essence was nothing but a revamped version of the myth. It was a call to arms against the racial Other – the Albanian Barbarian, the Muslim Infidel, the Ustasha Croat, the Slovene Servant of Austria, the Turncoat Montenegrin – behind whom stood ‘century-old’ enemies such as the Vatican, Lenin with his policy of national equality and of course the ‘decadent’ West. All were charged with the attempted murder of the Serbs: genocide became the most frequently used word in Greater Serbian agitprop.
The crowning event was a mass rally organized in June 1989 to celebrate the 600th anniversary of Kosovo Field and held on the original site of the battle. Milosevic, flanked by generals dressed in the uniforms of the Yugoslav People’s Army – an army born in a national liberation war meant to liberate Serbs and Yugoslavs from the Kosovo curse – announced his readiness for war against other Yugoslavs.
In this latest attempt to ‘right the wrongs of Kosovo’ the Serbian state started to prepare its army and its people for a war of territorial aggrandisement. Some of its conquests took place even before the actual war began, while Yugoslavia was still formally in place. Between 1987 and 1990 Serbia imposed its rule on three of the other seven members of the Yugoslav Federation: Vojvodina, Montenegro and Kosovo. As for the rest, Slovenia was attacked frontally in June 1991, Croatia in August of the same year, Bosnia-Herzegovina in April 1992. Only Macedonia has so far escaped unscathed. Serbia’s wars in Croatia and Bosnia quickly revealed its true aims: the destruction of these states and the expulsion of all non-Serbs (‘ethnic cleansing’) from conquered territory. The original charge that the Other was intent on destroying Serbdom turned out to be a simple case of displacement – an outward projection of the government’s own murderous designs.
This is a war driven by obsession not reason. Two years after its inception it has lost all meaning beyond its self-perpetuation. What will follow, even in the event of victory? This is a question to which the Serbian regime has no answer. Winning has become as dangerous for it as losing. Six centuries after Kosovo, Serbia is fighting another lost war. The Kosovo myth has turned out to be not just an irresponsible adventure, but the nemesis of modern Serbia. In the view of the democratic opposition, the war amounts to Serbia’s historic defeat. As Bogdan Bogdanovic, ex-mayor of Belgrade and an early opponent of Milosevic, said in the summer of 1991: ‘Serbia has lost this war. When I say “this war”, I am thinking not only of the current one, but of all our modern wars and our entire modern history... A feeling of failure lies at the very heart of Serb nationalism... This history gambled away – a century and a half gambled away – is what can be described as a lost war.’
Branka Magas is a Croatian-born expert in Balkan politics based in London. She is the author of The Destruction of Yugoslavia, Verso 1992.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 16, 2013 11:12:26 GMT -5
oh Kosovo Kosovo.... where art thou ...its here .....why do you miss it ..? you should of took better care of the people more prrof that serbian historians are their clerics .... Today, the Serbs recollect the Kosovo Battle in 1389 as a heroic fight against the Turks, which they not only lost, but which held the germ of what was to spring up from that defeat, namely a five centuries long period under Ottoman supremacy. However, this is not the end of the story and, even less, its beginning. The only fact that seems to be confirmed is that nothing reliable can be said about what actually occurred on June, 15th 1389. Characteristically, just who won the battle remains uncertain and debatable until the present. Also, the earliest narratives of the Battle of Kosovo differ significantly from contemporary variations. At first, the Serbs interpreted the battle as a victory over the encroaching Ottomans. Very soon after the event, the 'process of "legendizing" Kosovo' (Bogert 1991:178) was born, predominantly carried out by Serbian clerics. Subsequently, the story was reframed corresponding to Biblical-Christological role-models and the battle itself was reconstructed and represented as a fateful loss of the Serbs. The main theme www.anthropologymatters.com/index.php?journal=anth_matters&page=article&op=viewArticle&path[]=74&path[]=144
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Post by rex362 on Jan 16, 2013 11:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 11:47:59 GMT -5
from a few decades ago The curse of Kosovo Branka Magas digs up the roots of Serbian racism in a myth about a medieval war. ............ Branka Magas is a Croatian-born expert in Balkan politics based in London. She is the author of The Destruction of Yugoslavia, Verso 1992. Very good reading, Rex, with good insight. I also liked the reading link from university of arizona ... you're on a roll lately
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Post by rex362 on Jan 16, 2013 11:56:15 GMT -5
theres one more that is done my some US Military fella
but I can seem to find it ...
anyways ...I think the serbs will be taking a slight vacation from forum bcs that serbian Daci offered a possible UN seat to kosova ....
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