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Post by aussie75 on Aug 28, 2014 0:32:39 GMT -5
Rex, you talk about a naked Alb statue and some insignificant Alb gang mythically saving Serbs from Turks, could you please share some more about this tremendous tribe of 1081AD Albs?
PS Ivan is a cro, do you know?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 28, 2014 8:30:38 GMT -5
Rex, you talk about a naked Alb statue and some insignificant Alb gang mythically saving Serbs from Turks, could you please share some more about this tremendous tribe of 1081AD Albs? PS Ivan is a cro, do you know? this donkey only knows of sucking english cock and occasionally boyfirend's and uzford's
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 16:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 16:15:48 GMT -5
Rex, you talk about a naked Alb statue and some insignificant Alb gang mythically saving Serbs from Turks, could you please share some more about this tremendous tribe of 1081AD Albs? PS Ivan is a cro, do you know? you have a tourist attraction of a statue that depicts an Albanian ...this Ivan knew ....he knew plenty or he did it just in spit of serbs .... cro ,serb -------> to us Albanians a slav is a slav is a slav .... -------------------------------------------------- "Albania, too, although an integral portion of Turkey, is practically independent of Ottoman rule; in fact, the Albanians have always been an independent people. They are of unkownn origin, and the oldest inhabitants, it is said, of the Peninsula. Before the barbarian inroads, they possessed the whole of the western portions as far as the Danube..." Scottish geographical magazine, Volume 2, Royal Scottish Geographical Society., 1886, p. 675 "Albania was here before Greece knew an existence. The racial stock of Albania ties back further into the past than do the Greeks. Of all the people of southeast Europe the Albanians are the oldest. They have better claim to having been the fundamental stock in this part of the world than any other." Our World, Volume 4, The Houston Publishing Company, Inc, Jan 1, 1923, p. 66 "From this Celto - lllyrian stock the modern Albanian descends. He is thus the oldest inhabitant of the Balkan peninsula, and the tact that he has survived the successive invasion and rule of the Romans, Bulgars." Peoples of all nations: their life to-day and the story of their past: Volume 1; Volume 1, Sir John Alexander Hammerton, Sir John Alexander Hammerton, 1922
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 16:24:53 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 16:47:38 GMT -5
oh and about Jani Kondo (Kondo Bimbashi)
Jani Kondo and his group were Albanian who liberated Belgrade . its hidden in your history but there ....also another fighter Cham, George Olimpiasi, with 300 Albanian volunteers fought for the liberation of Serbia
(1806), Kondo with five boys dressed as Turkish soldiers opened the doors of Sava (Сава капију) and it allowed Mirko Uzunit in with his 150 soldiers to enter the city. The attack on the Sava Kapija was crucial for the liberation of Belgrade. In the case of the attack of 50 Serbs died with them Vasa Çarapiqi "
there is a street named "Kondo" in Belgrade.
Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic wrote songs about him .....
then there is a plaque someplace in belgrade that says "Kondo Bimbashi, The Christian in the Turkish army during the Siege of Belgrade in 1806" ......trying to hide his Albanianism ahhahahahaha
he became friends with karagorge
most serbs had wished Kondo wasn't even born ,even though he helped liberate for them .......actually for serbs it was easier to not have belgrade than to cite an Albanian (enemy) as the "Liberator of Belgrade "
you serbs should know ....you sing about him in your epic folkloric songs as well ...ask your grandfather Vuk Karadzic I believ writes about his heroism ....he is an Albanian Cham or the Orthodox faith from Pyrros's area beginning of 1800's
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 17:01:39 GMT -5
fyi DA LI JE BEOGRAD I SVETA ALBANSKA ZEMLJA Svrha sintagme hrišćanin u turskoj vojsci, dakle, nije u tome da bilo šta otkrije, objavi, nego da sakrije i prećuti Kondinu nacionalnost (bolje rečeno narodnost ili etničko poreklo). Petrit Imami, u knjizi Srbi i Albanci kroz vekove (Samizdat B92, 1998), o Kondi Bimbaši kaže da je bio zapovednik „čete ‘Epirota’, pravoslavni Albanac iz Epira“. Čak i pristrasan istoričar kakav je Vladimir Stojančević, koji u svojoj knjizi u izdanju SANU 1994. godine Albance naziva Arbanasima, kaže: „[o]d bećara među srpskim ustanicima bio je i Konda-barjaktar, pravoslavni Arbanas sa granice Toskerije i Epira“, i dodaje da je sa Kondom prebeglo Srbima „više njegovih zemljaka“. Savremenik ovih zbivanja, Lazar Arsenijević Batalaka, svedoči: „Ja sam mnoge hrišćane između ovih, Bugara, Grkoarnauta i Cincaroarnauta poznavao, koji su, kad je Gušanac otišao iz Beograda, među Srbima zastali...“ Nije na odmet razraditi i ideju Kondinog „prebega“. On je, preciznije rečeno, sa svojim momcima, koji su kao krdžalije (najamnici, mercenaries) dobro govorili turski, obmanuo turske stražare na beogradskim zidinama, „mlavio ih je kao kakva hala“ i omogućio ulazak ustanika u grad. Pre toga, na samom početku ustanka, Albanac Redžepaga (sinovac upravnika vojnog logora Ada Kale u koji su se dahije sklonile) i njegovi momci, zajedno sa ustanicima, posle žestoke borbe u noći između 5. i 6. avgusta 1804. ubili su dahije i njihove ljude. Ovi slučajevi nisu usamljeni, i doprinos Prvom srpskom ustanku dali su ne samo Albanci-prebezi iz turske vojske, nego i neka plemena Albanaca hrišćana (Klimenti, Grude, Šoše), a oružje su ustanici često nabavljali iz Metohije, gde su ga mahom proizvodili Albanci muslimani, pa je tako na jednom pištolju koji se čuva u Muzeju Prvog srpskog ustanka, za koji se smatra da je pripadao Karađorđu, ugravirano ime majstora - „Osman“. Poseban kuriozitet predstavlja pismo Petra I (svetog Petra Cetinjskog) od 25. marta 1805, u kom on protežirajući primirje s Turcima poručuje crnogorskim plemenima „da stojite s mirom i da se prođete jedinstva s Arbanasima“ koji su krenuli u borbu protiv skadarskog vezira. Što se tiče narodne tradicije, Vuk Karadžić je zabeležio epsku pesmu Jani Konda a rodom Arnaut bjaše koja ga hvali kao većeg junaka od Marka Kraljevića, a Stojančević pominje i da su Karađorđeve pobede opevali narodni pevači Malisora, među kojima je postojalo predanje o njegovom poreklu iz Kuča, inače plemena mešanog srpsko/crnogorsko-albanskog porekla. Čak i Ćorović u Istoriji Srba navodi da su Karađorđevi muški preci došli iz Klimenata, čemu u prilog ide i Karađorđeva slava (sv. Kliment). EFEKAT STVARNOG Još sedamdesetih godina prošlog veka Rolan Bart, Hajden Vajt i drugi pokazali su kako istoriografija zapravo ima više sličnosti sa književnošću i fikcijom nego sa empirijskim naukama. Istorija ne barata činjenicama nego podacima, tekstualnim tragovima koje uklapa u jednu koherentnu celinu, naraciju, priču; ona ne imenuje Stvarno, nego proizvodi efekat Stvarnog. Prošlost Srba i Albanaca, kao valjda i prošlost bilo koja druga dva (ne samo geografski) bliska naroda, puna je antagonizama, primera pojedinačnog i kolektivnog nasilja, kao i međusobne saradnje i prijateljstva, privremeno uspelih i neuspelih, realizovanih i nerealizovanih državnih projekata. Otuda, umesto ispravljanja istorijskih nepravdi ili utvrđivanja univerzalnih istina, bolje je zapitati se o posledicama jednog dugotrajnog diskursa. Slika o Albancu kao večitom neprijatelju i suštinski Drugom toliko je dugo i duboko upis(iv)ana u nas, da je postalo nemoguće misliti izvan ovih kategorija. U tom kontekstu, precrtavanje Kondinog porekla nema nikakve veze sa nacionalnom prošlošću i istorijom, već sa neumoljivom logikom ovde i sada koja, pošto su Albanci naši neprijatelji, a Konda naš prijatelj, ne trpi Kondu kao Albanca. O Kondi na Internetu nema pomena, kako na srpskom, tako ni na albanskom jeziku, što ukazuje na istovetni diskurs sa obrnutim predznacima i, sledstveno tome, na fundamentalne srodnosti dva naizgled suprotstavljena establišmenta. Tako je on danas za Srbe i Albance ono što je, verovatno, pre dva veka bio za Turke - remetilački faktor na Balkanu. Po svemu sudeći, Kondi bi bilo bolje da se nikada nije ni rodio. Ili, barem da nije otvarao gradske kapije. Jer, lakše bismo mi i bez Beograda, nego bez neprijatelja.. www.elektrobeton.net/strafta2007.html
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Post by rex362 on Aug 28, 2014 17:16:48 GMT -5
I hope you serbs should know very well that these famous family names of Lekiqëve, Dacic , Nikiqëve are/were Orthodox Albanians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 29, 2014 1:09:19 GMT -5
rex bro look at the albo surnames and albo toponyms / placenames ... then kill yourself.
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Post by aussie75 on Aug 29, 2014 6:34:45 GMT -5
oh and about Jani Kondo (Kondo Bimbashi) Jani Kondo and his group were Albanian who liberated Belgrade . its hidden in your history but there ....also another fighter Cham, George Olimpiasi, with 300 Albanian volunteers fought for the liberation of Serbia (1806), Kondo with five boys dressed as Turkish soldiers opened the doors of Sava (Сава капију) and it allowed Mirko Uzunit in with his 150 soldiers to enter the city. The attack on the Sava Kapija was crucial for the liberation of Belgrade. In the case of the attack of 50 Serbs died with them Vasa Çarapiqi " there is a street named "Kondo" in Belgrade.
Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic wrote songs about him ..... then there is a plaque someplace in belgrade that says "Kondo Bimbashi, The Christian in the Turkish army during the Siege of Belgrade in 1806" ......trying to hide his Albanianism ahhahahahaha he became friends with karagorge most serbs had wished Kondo wasn't even born ,even though he helped liberate for them .......actually for serbs it was easier to not have belgrade than to cite an Albanian (enemy) as the "Liberator of Belgrade " you serbs should know ....you sing about him in your epic folkloric songs as well ...ask your grandfather Vuk Karadzic I believ writes about his heroism ....he is an Albanian Cham or the Orthodox faith from Pyrros's area beginning of 1800's Yes, I'm not particularly sure that you know of the general consensus with Arvanites, they recognise the Serb prince of Albania, Scanderbeg; as Serb!
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Post by aussie75 on Aug 29, 2014 6:38:25 GMT -5
rex bro look at the albo surnames and albo toponyms / placenames ... then kill yourself. This is the Alb next project! If they manage to 'clean' Serbian toponyms, it's too late because now modern technology disallows such hiding.....tough luck for greater Alb advocates like Rexhepi here!
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Post by rex362 on Aug 29, 2014 12:30:19 GMT -5
not particularly serb toponyms as you guys get a hard on for but they are from Church Slavonic ....
Church Slavonic = Bulgarian empire w/ Byazantine orders and desires of changing names....from Illyrian names to Slavonic names
when Bulgaria was in in heights in the Balkans srbs were nothing to mention of
KRRRRRK !!
you alba-vlacho Pyrros should know that towns have 2-3 names over in our back yards
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Post by rex362 on Aug 29, 2014 12:33:37 GMT -5
rex bro look at the albo surnames and albo toponyms / placenames ... then kill yourself. This is the Alb next project! If they manage to 'clean' Serbian toponyms, it's too late because now modern technology disallows such hiding.....tough luck for greater Alb advocates like Rexhepi here! modern tech ....?? ahhahahahahahah we know/you know that slavs are recent arrivals in the Balkans ....why do you believe that the best part of Europe had no people living there with towns named already before slavs come in ?
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Post by aussie75 on Aug 29, 2014 18:30:22 GMT -5
^ according to your version, where did Slavs come from?
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Post by rex362 on Aug 29, 2014 18:31:02 GMT -5
^ according to your version, where did Slavs come from? dont you know ....?
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Post by aussie75 on Aug 29, 2014 18:32:33 GMT -5
^ no, i don't, please enlighten me.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 30, 2014 10:45:27 GMT -5
go make some popcorn and pull up a chair .....dont forget the toothpicks side note : ....according to Pyrros they come from heaven & ...according to their neighbors they come from hell
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 31, 2014 1:06:23 GMT -5
according to common logic a bullet to the face of every monkey should save substantial amounts of oxygen.
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Post by aussie75 on Sept 4, 2014 6:42:53 GMT -5
go make some popcorn and pull up a chair .....dont forget the toothpicks side note : ....according to Pyrros they come from heaven & ...according to their neighbors they come from hell Excluding Albs which ones believe in the 'hell' theory?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 4, 2014 8:08:33 GMT -5
go make some popcorn and pull up a chair .....dont forget the toothpicks side note : ....according to Pyrros they come from heaven & ...according to their neighbors they come from hell Excluding Albs which ones believe in the 'hell' theory? dont loose energy with the monkeys ...
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