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Post by Jon Do on Nov 8, 2014 21:46:01 GMT -5
Communist repression in Serbia saw 52,000 people killed and thousands more locked up, says a historian who is investigating the crimes of the regime after World War II.
Because state secrecy persisted long after Communism collapsed, few people have realised the sheer scale of the repression in Serbia after World War II, according to Srdjan Cvetkovic, who has spent a decade researching crimes committed during the period. Cvetkovic is a historian at the Serbian Institute for Contemporary History, and until recently was a member of the state commission for finding the graves of those killed at the height of repressive Communist rule, which lasted from the end of the war until 1953. “We at the commission managed so far to find data that 52,000 people were killed in Serbia by the regime,” said Cvetkovic, who works from the fourth floor of the Historical Museum of Serbia in an office cluttered with books and archive documents. “The majority of them, around 17,000, were illegally detained in various prisons and camps. Our estimates are that an overall number of 60,000 to 70,000 were victims of repression,” he told BIRN. The state commission managed to find out the names and the locations of the graves of these 52,000 victims after the Serbian security services provided them with documents, Cvetkovic explained. “The archives have long been closed in relation to this topic, you could find some documents here and there, which is nothing compared to the documents that were recently provided to the archive of Serbia by the BIA [Security Information Agency] and which I could access as a member of the commission,” he said. As regards the identities of the victims, Cvetkovic said that for a long time political propaganda had obscured exactly who was killed by the Communist regime and for what reasons. “After World War II, the state promoted the narrative that the [wartime] conflict was among [nationalist] Chetniks and [Communist] Partisans, and the victims of the Communist regime were only Chetniks,” he said.
“But in reality, the victims were ordinary citizens – usually those who had wealth and who were perceived as different in any way. This is what our data shows – 80 per cent of the victims were civilians,” he explained. Official killers Cvetkovic said that the Department for National Security, the OZNA, Yugoslavia’s security agency between 1944 and 1946, was responsible for the majority of the arrests and liquidations. The OZNA was led by Josip Broz Tito’s close associate Aleksandar Rankovic, who became the subject of renewed controversy last month in Serbia when Prime Minister Ivica Dacic paid homage to him. Speaking in late August at a commemoration of the 30th anniversary of the death of Rankovic, Dacic said that the security chief deserved a proper place in Serbian history and that he would personally advocate his rehabilitation. But Cvetkovic insisted that Rankovic’s role in history was very clear: he was responsible, as the head of the OZNA, for all the notorious crimes that the service committed. “The OZNA was doing the arrests, investigations, liquidations,” he said. “First they would enter some city, occupy the building of some wealthy man and in his basement they would bring people for interrogation. Here people were tortured and usually, after a few days, they would kill them in some area out of town,” he continued. Cvetkovic said that more than 20 years after the fall of Communism, Serbia still hasn’t managed to face up to the crimes that were committed by the old regime. “Even after the introduction of a multi-party system, even in this system we had many people that were part of old Communist regime. Therefore in the case of Serbia, unlike in other eastern European countries, there was no clear discontinuity from the old regime,” he explained. “Serbia failed to properly transform from Communism into democracy because the archives needed to be open right afterwards, then lustration needed to take place, [as a result of which] all those who violated human rights would be excluded [from holding office],” he said. Crimes on display A lustration law was passed in 2003 to target former Communist collaborators, but Cvetkovic complained that it was being implemented too slowly. “It is unfortunate that 23 years after Communism we are speaking about some measures that we should have taken right after the fall of the authoritarian regime,” he said. This is one of the reasons, he explained, why he decided to turn his ten years of research into Communist repression into an exhibition. “This will be the first time that someone’s actually tackled this topic in a multimedia way. We decided to name the exhibition ‘In the Name of the People’ because all these crimes were committed with that justification,” he says. The exhibition, which will take place in March next year in Belgrade, will deal with the Communist regime from 1944 until 1953, and be made up of four parts – revolutionary terror in Serbia, political trials and concentration camps, collectivisation and repression. Cvetkovic said that every visitor will have a chance to experience or relive that period through videos, trial and interrogation simulations, movies and debates. “The idea is that all this material we gathered in the commission and which has been undeservedly forgotten, we present to the general public, which still, 70 years after these crimes were committed, doesn’t know about them,” he concluded. www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-still-unaware-of-communist-era-crimes
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Nov 20, 2014 4:14:11 GMT -5
How about exposing the not so secret crimes of Capitalism in Serbia?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 24, 2014 13:36:07 GMT -5
Capitalism is the one (western banking elite) that has created and directed communism and this Communist virus is still plaguing the likes of eastern Europe at least indirectly!
Now these formerly staunch communist politicians are openly neo-liberalist.
They are the ones who oppose the most any rights for workers who are being ever more exploited.
They are the same ones who have amassed the most wealth through various criminal privatizations.
They are the ones who have actively dissolved local economies and allowed IMF and WB (instruments of the elite) to loan billions of dollars of debt which can in effect never be repaid.
Not to mention the moral and cultural degradation that has been in place since they came in power and that seems to accelerate with each new war crisis.
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Nov 24, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
Capitalism is the one (western banking elite) that has created and directed communism and this Communist virus is still plaguing the likes of eastern Europe at least indirectly! Now these formerly staunch communist politicians are openly neo-liberalist. They are the ones who oppose the most any rights for workers who are being ever more exploited. They are the same ones who have amassed the most wealth through various criminal privatizations. They are the ones who have actively dissolved local economies and allowed IMF and WB (instruments of the elite) to loan billions of dollars of debt which can in effect never be repaid. Not to mention the moral and cultural degradation that has been in place since they came in power and that seems to accelerate with each new war crisis. Is this why Communist parties are banned in all ex-eastern now NATO puppets countries? It does not make sense. Besides, e.g. in Greece, KKE is the *ONLY party that has CONSISTENTLY condemned imperial saxon policies in the balkans and elsewhere. KKE is the party that ALWAYS respected Yugoslavs, and took the side of the Serbs in all subsequent saxon-slav wars. Syriza, which is indeed a western saxon travesty has switched sides many times, one in favor or jews then the palestenians, once for the Bosniaks, then in favor of the Russians, basically this is indeed a very sick saxon-leftist liberal party... And guess what, in their rhetoric they love to talk about bad bankers just like you do. The game is clearly saxons vs slavs... all the rest is dust to the eyes of the ... naive sheep.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 24, 2014 23:36:34 GMT -5
All traitors should be shot along with their families. All communists are traitors.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 25, 2014 22:49:53 GMT -5
Just cause something appears to be a certain way that does not mean that is what is actually happening. Example 1) For instance ISIS was clearly created by the western elite that now acts as if that is US enemy all the same while major US allies in the region (Turkey, UAE, Qatar etc) are practically openly still behind them. Add to this that major US ally in Syria (FSA) is still supported by US all the same while they are now allies of this same ISIS and or are even joining their ranks. Example 2) For instance elite is stating (through it puppet politicians in Washington etc) it is promoting democracy in say Ukraine while in effect it is installing openly neo-nazi elements which are practicing policy of extermination of civilian population in eastern Ukraine. ISIS is extremely outspoken against the west to say the least and it still appears to be their puppet. This is example of again how thing are not as they initially appear. That is the game I agree. Western elite against Russia as far as Europe is concerned. Only weak disintegrated Russia into several smaller pointless states is what they will tolerate. Communist is only one of the tools for the elite that was used to achieve this goal. Dissolution of USSR was just step closer to the final goal. Gorbachev was clearly a western agent and was given refuge in the west as well as money after the collapse. Yeltsin was formely a high ranking communist official. Communist functioned as a sect (albeit atheist but all the other structural elements of a sect). Once in this sect a member was thoroughly brainwashed to only perceive other fellow communists as human beings. Others who were not communist (even family members) were perceived as not human and not worthy of existence. It is primarily illiterate peasants that were fighting the nazi aggressor during the second world war that never even heard of communists only to end up under their command in 1945. The Tito's regime was not installed by Soviets but by British. It was British who sneakily switched their support from Chetniks to Partizans in 1943 and it was Yugoslav king (British agent just like Tito) who did the same. This is not a black and white issue I warn! In addition vast majority of partizans in 1945 were not Communist but illiterate peasants! Communists in prewar kingdom of Yugoslavia would never do well in elections (never over several percent). If some youngster was misfortunate enough to have been brainwashed to join this godless sect I would not want him dead but want him to go through mentally detax. I certainly I would wish any of his family members any harm. Whether CommunISTs, FascISTs, Nazis (National-SocialISTs), FeminISTs, NationalISTs, RacISTs and any kind of ISM is nothing more but a creation of the elite to further divide the population further against itself so it is more easily controlled (Ancient Roman saying: DIVIDE AND CONQUER)!!!
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Post by Краљ Ватра on Nov 26, 2014 0:20:35 GMT -5
The fact that ISIS FSA, etc... are 100% western creations (or even myths) is no surprise. I cannot connect those to Greek KKE, tho. KKE was not wrong NOT EVEN ONCE SINCE AS LONG AS 1944. NOT EVEN ONCE!! They were CLEARLY : - PRO SLAV - NOT CONTROLLED BY THE SAXONS You know, when bombs fall and ppl die, there is nothing much to hide anymore. The nice thing about Saxon aggression, is that lately they have been so messy (mixing leftists with NAZIs in ukraine and poland) so VOCAL especially when they prepare for some war, and they are so open about it (classic germano-saxon manner) that it leaves few doubts about who does what. In the case, that indeed Jews rule the universe (as many ppl think), it was a grave mistake of them to give the germano-saxon murderers so many degrees of freedom. The germano-saxon is a highly aggressive animal.
About -ISMs, I guess you are right, but wasn;t it so like that from the beginning ?
Also, I would suggest, pulling Yugoslavs and Soviets OUT of any related convo. Just talking about Slavs in this context, just serves the aim of the elite : combine Slavs with negative contexts, a burden for future suffering Slav generations.
There is clearly a superior force that wants to kill the slavs...
Watch it in the freaking news, and not only about wars... A serb was killed in Turkey, some Serbs were drowned in some BMW falling into Dunav river, and if you read rest of Slavic news, you'll see same patterns there as well.... Slavs die, and the ones left immigrate to the lands of the Saxons/Germans and deslavicize.
To me, Communist Yugoslavia and Communist CCCP were some gigantic farms of humans souls. Good and beatiful people were born in there, educated, and later, they were sold like slaves in the west as low-level scientists, lowest-level workers and prostitutes. Basically I refuse to accept that it was all set up, at least NOT to the point that you support. So why did it fall?
ANSWER : BECAUSE SOMEONE SUPERIOR WAS ASKING FOR BLOOD, and NEITHER YUGOSLAVS OR SOVIETS HAD THE GUTS TO PUSH THE GOD DAMN BUTTON.
Now that we know the answer, we may refrain from demonizing Slavs any longer.
Thank you, Pyrros
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 26, 2014 11:38:23 GMT -5
The fact that ISIS FSA, etc... are 100% western creations (or even myths) is no surprise. I cannot connect those to Greek KKE, tho. KKE was not wrong NOT EVEN ONCE SINCE AS LONG AS 1944. NOT EVEN ONCE!! They were CLEARLY : - PRO SLAV - NOT CONTROLLED BY THE SAXONS You know, when bombs fall and ppl die, there is nothing much to hide anymore. The nice thing about Saxon aggression, is that lately they have been so messy (mixing leftists with NAZIs in ukraine and poland) so VOCAL especially when they prepare for some war, and they are so open about it (classic germano-saxon manner) that it leaves few doubts about who does what. In the case, that indeed Jews rule the universe (as many ppl think), it was a grave mistake of them to give the germano-saxon murderers so many degrees of freedom. The germano-saxon is a highly aggressive animal. About -ISMs, I guess you are right, but wasn;t it so like that from the beginning ? Also, I would suggest, pulling Yugoslavs and Soviets OUT of any related convo. Just talking about Slavs in this context, just serves the aim of the elite : combine Slavs with negative contexts, a burden for future suffering Slav generations. There is clearly a superior force that wants to kill the slavs... Watch it in the freaking news, and not only about wars... A serb was killed in Turkey, some Serbs were drowned in some BMW falling into Dunav river, and if you read rest of Slavic news, you'll see same patterns there as well.... Slavs die, and the ones left immigrate to the lands of the Saxons/Germans and deslavicize. To me, Communist Yugoslavia and Communist CCCP were some gigantic farms of humans souls. Good and beatiful people were born in there, educated, and later, they were sold like slaves in the west as low-level scientists, lowest-level workers and prostitutes. Basically I refuse to accept that it was all set up, at least NOT to the point that you support. So why did it fall? ANSWER : BECAUSE SOMEONE SUPERIOR WAS ASKING FOR BLOOD, and NEITHER YUGOSLAVS OR SOVIETS HAD THE GUTS TO PUSH THE GOD DAMN BUTTON. Now that we know the answer, we may refrain from demonizing Slavs any longer. Thank you, Pyrros Aside from all the happy trigger words like, unity, prosperity and strength, what do you really intend to accomplish with your Super Slavic rhetoric, because you are a walking hypocrisy of it. Slavs need to stem people like YOU out of their gene pool.
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 26, 2014 11:45:53 GMT -5
Nailed each point, well done Aadmin.
and to add, it was common Partizan tactic to burn down villages to make it seem the fascists did it so it would be easier to recruit people. The more devastation Yugoslavs were going through the more likely they'd sign up because of the perks.
Putin could have handled Ukraine within 5 days but let it prolong to now God knows how long. Now we're beginning to see why. He is an agent himself, for Zionist East, rest assured. Nothing has changed really, it was always like this since post WWII.
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 26, 2014 11:52:33 GMT -5
[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly.
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 26, 2014 13:25:08 GMT -5
1. Marshall Tito, his origins have always been an enigma but it's most certain this Josip Broz is an imposter, the real Josip Broz died years ealier, as per many accounts and witness'. This one was educated in Vienna, far from being from blacksmith roots, played the piano like Chopin unlike any other typical "peasant" instrument. 2. Moses (Mose) Pijade, general secretary of the Communist Party and in reality the “grey eminence” of the regime, was a Jew of Spanish origin (Sephardite). 3. Edvard Kardelj , member of the Central Committee of the Yugoslav Communist Party and Minister for Foreign Affairs, was a Jew of Hungarian origin, called in reality Kardayl. 4. Rankovic, member of the Central Committee of the Yugoslav Communist Party and Minister for Internal Affairs, was an Austrian Jew and was earlier called Rankau. 5. Alexander Bebler member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party and permanent representative of Yugoslavia in the UNO, was an Austrian Jew. 6. Joza Vilfan (Joseph Wilfan), economic advisor of Tito, in reality the economic dictator of Yugoslavia, is a Jew from Sarajevo. Tito’s League of Communists of Yugoslavia was originally the opposition party in the kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes or the union of Bosnia, Croatia, Dalmatia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia. Finance Jews commissioned Tito to create a Pan-Slavic (Yugoslav) substitute for existing nationalities in Yugoslavia, as a development of Jewry’s Eastern bloc of nations, led by their puppet ministers dedicated to eradicating national tradition from Europe.
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Post by Novus Dis on Nov 26, 2014 21:31:11 GMT -5
Tito was consistently anti-Serb throughout his entire life. Whether or not an imposter took his place is irrelevant.
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 26, 2014 22:39:33 GMT -5
Tito was consistently anti-Serb throughout his entire life. Whether or not an imposter took his place is irrelevant. Tito was Tito, however Josip Broz was somebody else, indeed from Kumrovec and a blacksmith family but definitely not the Tito who he is known to have become. The real Josip Broz was enlisted in the Austrian army in 1913 and died in 1914 in the Caucasus by a Circassian attack.
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 27, 2014 10:56:08 GMT -5
When he came back to "his village" many years later no one recognized him, and in reality we're only talking like 20 years most so really how much could he have changed? Also, Josip Broz of Kumrovec had a missing finger, Tito had all of them and this was way long before any possibility of finger transplantation.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Nov 27, 2014 21:43:45 GMT -5
I came across reports where his old mother addresses the impostor with words like
"You are not my Joze."
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Post by Jon Do on Nov 28, 2014 18:00:02 GMT -5
I came across reports where his old mother addresses the impostor with words like "You are not my Joze."
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Post by Jon Do on Dec 3, 2014 18:01:16 GMT -5
The number of the Serb victims in Vojvodina is estimated at about 23,000-24,000 (According to the professor Dragoljub Živković, 47,000 ethnic Serbs were killed in Vojvodina between 1941 and 1948. About half of the Serb victims were killed by occupational forces and the other half of them were executed by post-war communist authorities). [6] In 1944, in Rajina Šuma near Novi Sad, partisans executed about 200-250 Serbs, who were accused that they simpatized Chetnik movement of Draža Mihajlović.[19]They were buried into two mass graves, which were discovered in 1991 during communal works in that area. After entry of partisan forces into Novi Sad in October 23, 1944, by the order of general Josip Rukavina (who was a commandant of military area of Bačka and Baranja),[clarification needed] mass arrests of respectable Serbs had begun. They mostly were reputable and rich householders, industrialists and intellectuals, who were seen as a possible threat for the new communist authorities.[19][better source needed] Order was carried out by the 11th Vojvodinian people's liberation brigade and most of the arrested citizens were executed until the middle of November. Citizens who were executed included dr Miloš Petrović (former mayor), dr Obrad Milutinović (doctor and vice-president of Novi Sad municipality), Dragoljub Ristić (an industrialist), Pavle Tatić (one of the founders of Socialist Party in Novi Sad), Vojislav Matić (editor and publisher of "Nova Pošta" magazine in Serbian language), Miloš Kostić (footballer of FK Vojvodina), Svetislav Vilovski and Đurica Vlaović (members of Serbian Soko society), Milan - Peca Popović (intellectual and member of Rotary club), Jovan Begović (provincial clerk), Aleksandar Silber (economist), Pera Savić (journalist), Fedor Radić (doctor), and Gaja Gračanin (director of "Putnik" agency).[19][better source needed] Especially tragic fate is that of pre-war mayor dr Miloš Petrović, who was creditable for elevation of monument dedicated to Svetozar Miletić that still stands in the centre of Novi Sad, and who also helped in saving lives of hundreds of Serbs who were imprisoned in concentration camp "Šarvar" during Hungarian occupation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944%E2%80%9345Red Age -- The "red terror" in Serbia and Montenegro, 1944-1947 -- Part One Documentary series, 6 episodes, 2004. Author: Dušan T. Bataković PhD, historian "Red Age" (Serbian: "Crveno doba") is a full-length documentary account of communist terror and crimes perpetrated as Yugoslavian communist leader Josip Broz "Tito" and his Communist Party of Yugoslavia established their one-party dictatorship over the country. It presents confessions of people who witnessed the second phase of the communist revolution in Serbia and Montenegro, both then part of Yugoslavia, that began in 1944 and lasted until 1947 and included execution and prosecution of non-communists, arrests, assassinations, disappearances, false court trials and the decay of Serbian civil society. The film includes massive archive footage released for the first time. The film is the outcome of a historical research project titled "Coming to Terms with the Totalitarian Legacy of Communism in Serbia and Montenegro" undertaken by a team of historians at the former "Council for Democratic Changes in Serbia" NGO, led by Council president and principal project author Dr. Dušan T. Bataković, a historian specialized in modern Serbian and Yugoslavian history. The series is posted to YouTube with the knowledge and full consent of Dr. Dušan T. Bataković.Best buds ... Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill (both Roosevelt and Churchill worked tirelessly to get Tito, a communist in power in Yugoslavia while back stabbing the opposition they once supported... ooohhh how we forget!!). Communism working alongside Capitalism ... hmmm... don't be so shocked the two ideologies go hand in hand. Without a central bank neither exist Like Father and Son. TO the old Yugo generation whose only defense for Tito is; "We lived well" ... You were all brainwashed, and still are mostly to this day with your "Yugonostagija"... of course if you live well you won't complain, all the ones who didn't live well and did complain ended up murdered or worse, stripped of everything and left on the streets to die or in prison with Muslim cellmates. The Serbian cause and her ideals were sacrificed for Yugoslavia, in short, we were all duped. Our best, just like the best throughout Europe, were all killed during those years. Genocide of the Aristocracy. So the only people left to run the nation are criminals, the ones who stole and killed, the classless, because they were inferior to the ones they were murdering and the worst of the cast, the traitors, the ones who profited off the revolution at the expense of their own blood. The Allies and Communists worked hard together in making sure Aristocracy in Europe would die, and remain dead, this battle still goes on.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 17, 2014 19:00:18 GMT -5
Great thread, a topic that isnt talked about enough
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Post by aussie75 on Dec 18, 2014 7:54:42 GMT -5
Interesting! Just to add, since I've been watching loads of Jovan Deretic vids; in some, he mentions Tito's origin is Polish Jew and his son was Slobodan Milosevic! Go figure!
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Post by aussie75 on Dec 18, 2014 7:58:51 GMT -5
"once supported... ooohhh how we forget!!). Communism working alongside Capitalism ... hmmm... don't be so shocked the two ideologies go hand in hand. Without a central bank neither exist"
What are you suggesting here: Hegelian Dialectic?
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