Post by Bozur on Mar 31, 2016 23:48:23 GMT -5
FDA document admits vaccines are linked to autism
Tuesday, March 29, 2016
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Tags: vaccines, autism, FDA documents
(NaturalNews) I've just posted a new video detailing the discovery of a vaccine document on the FDA's own website that openly admits vaccines are linked to autism.
This document, an insert sheet for the Tripedia vaccine, openly admits to the vaccine being linked to "idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea."
If they remove it, we've cached a copy at this link on Natural News.
The massive vaccine cover-up and the murderous denial of vaccine injuries
I've also posted a detailed video explanation of the side effects of this vaccine as well as the massive vaccine damage cover-up that continues to be pushed by the mainstream media, which is 100% controlled by the government's scripting of stories. (All mainstream media news is scripted, planted or twisted by the government, journalists are now revealing...)
Click here to watch my video on YouTube, or check it out below.
Some of my quotes from the video include:
"We are living in the Dark Ages of medicine... censorship, oppression, intimidation of anyone who dares to speak out about vaccines."
"Vaccines actually cause the very conditions, in many cases, that they claim to treat. This is why the children who are affected in outbreaks are very often the same children who were vaccinated." (See this article about how Merck virologists faked vaccine trial results using animal antibodies to commit scientific fraud.
"The most dangerous child to have in a public school system is a child who has been vaccinated with these kinds of toxins that have weakened their immune system and possibly has made them a carrier of the virus from the vaccine itself. There's a reason why every time we have a mumps or measles outbreak, it occurs among those children who were already vaccinated..."
"Vaccines exist today not to prevent disease, but to sell more vaccines. And they accomplish that by making sure their vaccines don't work. Because they know that the more their vaccines don't work, the more disease they will spread, the more panic there will be in the media, and the more parents will blindly, obediently rush out to vaccinate their children. And the cycle repeats. Vaccine 'science' is actually a marketing scheme and nothing more. It has nothing to do with real science."
"There will be a day that the oppression of this truth will crumble. The Berlin wall of scientific fraud will come crumbling down, and the truth will be exposed for all the world to see. All the parents of vaccine damaged children will one day be heard. And we will demand reparations from the vaccine industry for all the harm and all the deaths they have systematically and knowingly caused across human civilization. They have committed murder in the name of medicine. That day of reckoning is close at hand..."
Watch the full video here:
Heavy Metal Toxins
Even at a very low level, heavy metal ions can cause serious health effects, including reduced growth and development, cancer, organ damage, nervous system damage, and in extreme cases, death. The most common heavy metal toxins are aluminum, arsenic , cadmium, lead, and mercury. Once emitted from their sources, they have the property of accumulating in the environment for many years. They enter the human body through breathing, drinking, and skin absorption. They also can accumulate in the bodies of animals and humans before they even cause damage.
The sources of heavy metal ions are diverse and specific to each element.
x Aluminum is mostly found in canned food, cookware, antacids, aluminum foils, and drinking water.
x Arsenic is encountered through air pollution and in drinking water, meat from commercial farms, and wood preservatives.
x Cadmium originates mainly from cigarette smoke, air pollution, batteries, fish, paint, and food grown in cadmium-laden soil.
x The major sources of lead are gasoline, house paints, lead pipes, mines, and batteries.
x "Silver" dental fillings constitute the most important source of mercury. Other sources of mercury are from gold mining and fish.
In general, the increased use of coal favors exposure to major heavy metals. What then is the mode of action of heavy metal ions?
The heavy metal ions form complexes with proteins, in which carboxylic acid (–COOH), amine (–NH 2 ), and thiol (–SH) groups are involved. These modified biological molecules lose their ability to function properly and result in the malfunction or death of the cells. When metals bind to these groups, they inactivate important enzyme systems, or affect protein structure, which is linked to the catalytic properties of enzymes. This type of toxin may also cause the formation of radicals, dangerous chemicals that cause the oxidation of biological molecules.
Some diseases associated with heavy metal ions are as follows:
-Aluminum has been associated with Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, senility, and presenile dementia.
-Arsenic exposure can cause, among other illnesses or symptoms, cancer, abdominal pain, and skin lesions.
-Cadmium exposure produces kidney damage and hypertension .
-Lead and mercury may cause the development of autoimmunity (see autism), in which a person's immune system attacks its own cells. This can lead to joint diseases and ailments of the kidneys, circulatory system, and neurons. At higher doses, lead and mercury can cause irreversible brain damage.
Heavy metal poisoning or intoxication can be diagnosed through analysis of samples from certain parts of the body. For example, lead poisoning is diagnosed by analyzing blood samples from affected individuals. The maximum allowed concentration of lead is 10 micrograms (3.5 × 10 −7 ounces) per deciliter of blood. At exposures above this level, action must be taken to treat the victim.
A common treatment for metal intoxication is the use of chelators. A chelator is a flexible molecule with two or more electronegative groups that can form stable complexes with cationic metal atoms. The complexes are then eliminated from the body. The most widely used chelator is ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (EDTA). It has four binding positions (two nitrogen atoms and two oxygen atoms) that focus on the metal ion. It works very well on many metals, the most notable being calcium, magnesium, and lead.
SEE ALSO Enzymes ; Proteins ; Tertiary Structure ; Toxicity .
Joseph Bariyanga
Bibliography
Dhar, Sanat K. (1973). Metal Ions Biological System. New York: Plenum.
Internet Resources
World Resources Institute. "Heavy Metals and Health." Available from
www.wri.org/wr-98-99/metal2.htm .
www.chemistryexplained.com/Ge-Hy/Heavy-Metal-Toxins.html
Aluminum and Vaccine Ingredients:
What Do We Know? What Don’t We Know?
Thimerosal, which contains the organic compound ethyl mercury, is a known neurotoxin and used to be a major ingredient in childhood vaccines. There are over 15,000 articles in the medical literature describing the adverse health effects on the human body with exposure to varying amounts and forms of mercury.
In 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) urged government agencies to work rapidly toward reducing children's exposure to mercury from all sources. Because any potential risk was of concern, the AAP and the USPHS (United States Public Health Service) agreed that the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines should be reduced or eliminated.[1] The AAP recommended that it would be a good idea to remove thimerosal from vaccines, even though according to them, there was no evidence linking childhood health issues to thimerosal exposure from vaccines. In 2008, children are still being injected with thimerosal-containing vaccines, and old stocks of thimerosal-containing vaccines manufactured by 1999 continued to be administered to children up to 2003.
However, a growing number of physicians, scientists and parents maintain that thimerosal has played, and continues to play a large role in contributing to the emergence of multiple chronic illnesses in children and adults, including the neurological spectrum disorders (see autism). Aluminum, which is present in the environment and in many childhood vaccines, may be affecting the health of our children in ways that we have yet to understand.
Aluminum is a heavy metal with known neurotoxic effects on human and animal nervous systems. It can be found in the following childhood vaccines – DTaP, Pediarix (DTaP-Hepatitis B-Polio combination), Pentacel (DTaP-HIB-Polio combination), Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae B (HIB), Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), and Pneumococcal vaccines.[2]
In 1996, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a position paper on Aluminum Toxicity in Infants and Children which stated in the first paragraph, “Aluminum is now being implicated as interfering with a variety of cellular and metabolic processes in the nervous system and in other tissues.[3]
A review of the medical literature on aluminum reveals a surprising lack of scientific evidence that injected aluminum is safe. There is limited understanding of what happens to children when aluminum is injected into their bodies, including whether or not it accumulates in tissues and organs or is properly eliminated from the body. It is also unknown if genetic factors affect long term adverse health outcomes for those injected with aluminum containing vaccines.
One in 6 children under the age of 18 in this country has developmental/learning disabilities, although the numbers may be higher since this 1994 report was published.[4] Ten percent of all children have asthma.[5] Growing numbers of children are living with different types of allergies. That means they have impairment, or even irreversible damage to their nervous and immune systems. Isn’t it possible that injected aluminum plays a role in affecting the health of our children’s nervous and immune systems, as the science we do have seems to suggest?
What is even more concerning is the lack of accepted scientific data explaining whether injected aluminum interacts with other vaccine ingredients to cause harm to our children. Boyd Haley, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at the University of Kentucky completed lab experiments showing the damaging effects on nerve cells when he exposed them to aluminum, especially in the presence of other vaccine ingredients like mercury, formaldehyde, and the antibiotic neomycin.[6] [7] His data, however, have been ignored by the scientific, medical and governmental institutions making vaccine policies.[8] The scientific community needs to be doing these experiments in the lab before shooting kids with these ingredients and declaring unequivocal vaccine safety for all children.
Aluminum is added to vaccines as an adjuvant so vaccines will produce a stronger antibody response and be more protective. It is this role as an adjuvant that may reveal to us the most significant relationship between aluminum in vaccines and the damage it imparts on the long term health of our children’s nervous and immune systems.
A Little Science Review
Children are born with a cellular mediated immune system (TH1 cells – T-helper 1), a humoral immune system (TH2 cells – T-helper 2), and a regulator immune system (TH3 cells – T-helper 3) as major pieces of their overall immune systems. These three arms are immature when babies are born, and begin to mature as children are exposed to their environments through their nervous systems, skin, airways and intestines. Antibiotics, poor nutrition, stress, exposure to heavy metals and other environmental toxins, and the use of vaccines, may interfere with the proper maturing process of these three arms of children’s immune systems. In theory, if the TH system is allowed to mature, and is not interfered with, children will develop a mature, balanced TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune system by age three.
TH1 and TH2 develop to protect children from the outside world, producing inflammation and anti-inflammation responses to foreign particles from the natural environment. TH3 immune cells develop to keep the TH1/TH2 arms of the immune system in check so the body only produces the amount of inflammation and anti-inflammation that is needed to protect itself from exposures in the natural environment.
When TH2 cells are activated properly, either directly via the natural environment, or through a direct signal from the TH1 system, the B cell arm of the immune system is then stimulated, leading to the production of the desired protective antibodies.[9] [10]
It’s important for the reader to know that the hallmark of a healthy, mature immune system in children is demonstrated by an equal and balanced TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune response to the natural environment. TH1, TH2 & TH3 do not work independently, and require a very important synergistic relationship to function properly in our bodies. As soon as one or more of these three arms begins to over or under work in relation to the other, chronic illness begins to express itself.
More on Aluminum
Aluminum is placed in the vaccines to selectively target the up-regulation of the humoral arm (TH2 cells) of children’s immune systems, to drive the production of antibodies. The medical community leads us to believe that this production of antibodies is what imparts for children a protective nature against vaccine-preventable illnesses. Yet, this outcome may come at a cost.
There are multiple articles in the medical literature demonstrating how chronic illnesses like allergies,[11] [12] asthma, [13] [14] [15] eczema,[16] lupus, [17] inflammatory bowel disease, [18] ADD/ADHD[19] and autism[20] all exhibit a skewed production and over-activity of the TH2 arm of the immune system.
Similarly, chronic illnesses like juvenile diabetes mellitus[21] [22] and rheumatoid arthritis,[23] multiple sclerosis,[24] uveits,[25] inflammatory bowel disease,[26] and autism[27] [28] all exhibit skewed production and over-activity of the TH1 arm of the immune system.
While aluminum in the vaccines is specifically targeting the over-activation of TH2 to encourage the body to produce antibodies, any direct or indirect effect of aluminum on the health or maturation of the TH1 or TH3 system is unknown. Yet, in many of these TH2 dominant chronic illnesses, TH1 and TH3 have also been shown to exhibit an impaired immune response to the environment.[29]
Any direct or indirect effect on the health or maturation of the TH1, TH2 and TH3 arms of children’s immune systems from any of the injected vaccine ingredients, either due to their individual action, or due to their combined interaction, is unknown as well.
The important synergistic, balanced activity of TH1, TH2 and TH3, in response to the environment is dysfunctional and impaired in all chronic illnesses. Children are not necessarily born with this dysfunction or impairment, although they may inherit the susceptibility from their parents. How then, do children develop the expression of these TH1, TH2, TH3 impairments, into what we describe as chronic illness?
What is clear is aluminum pushes the TH2 immune system to over perform, and multiple chronic illnesses in children show immune systems where the TH2 immune response over performs, while TH1 and TH3 responses are also impaired. Is there a connection? By having this type of effect on the TH2 system, is aluminum in any way contributing to the development of these chronic illnesses in children; especially in those children from families with a genetic history of the above mentioned chronic illnesses?
Does aluminum also affect the TH1 immune response, unbeknownst to scientists, clinicians and parents? Does aluminum play a role in impairing the overall synergistic, balanced activity of TH1, TH2 and TH3, which is a requirement for a healthy immune system response to the natural environment? There is no scientific evidence to clarify our understanding one way or the other, but the evidence may be right in front of us to conclude otherwise.
Aluminum forces the undeveloped and immature immune system of infants and children to produce greater amounts of humoral immune cells (TH2) and antibodies, before their immune systems have a chance to adapt to the world in which they’ve barely had a chance to live in.
Under these circumstances, the activity of aluminum appears to play a vital role in disrupting the maturation of the immune system in infants and children through its effects on TH2 and therefore, on TH1 and TH3.
What effect this has on their overall health in the short or long term is unknown, but this model appears to help us understand how we may be contributing to the development of chronic illness in infants and children with the use of aluminum in vaccines. We also have little understanding of what might happen to the overall health of their immune systems if parents wait until later in life to expose them to vaccines containing aluminum, or if they’re exposed in smaller doses one at a time.
How much of a role does injected aluminum play, either acting alone, or in conjunction with other vaccine ingredients and environmental toxins, in the selection and subsequent development of chronic illnesses, in a susceptible population of children, through the disruption of TH1, TH2, TH3? There is no science to answer this question because no one has investigated this issue.
We have no scientific studies in infants, children or adults to help us understand the nature of the progression of TH1, TH2 and TH3 immune responses to any of the injected materials in vaccines.
You cannot do research on questions that enough people don’t believe is worth asking, or are afraid of what the answers might show if the proper studies were done.
It is unfortunate that we continue to drag out this dialog by singling out each individual vaccine ingredient as a detriment to the health of our children. First thimerosal needed to be removed, despite contentions from the medical community that there were any real medical reasons to do so, and now aluminum. According to Environmental Defense[30] (formerly known as the Environmental Defense fund), all the vaccine ingredients are poisonous, carcinogenic or potentially harmful to the skin, gastrointestinal, pulmonary, immune and neurological systems in our bodies.
What about formaldehyde? Are we going to wait until another brave physician or scientist writes about the damaging effects of injected vaccine-containing formaldehyde on our children’s brains before we are called to demand that formaldehyde be removed? Or about the problems associated with having Polysorbate-80 in the vaccines?
Polysorbate-80 is used in pharmacology to assist in the delivery of certain drugs or chemotherapeutic agents across the blood-brain-barrier. What viral, bacterial, yeast, heavy metal or other vaccine containing ingredient need to pass into the brains of our children? Do they belong in the brain? Is that part of the needed immune response to protect our children from disease? Do vaccine materials pass across the blood-brain barrier with the help of Polysorbate-80? If so, are there complications from being in the brains of our children? Is this another connection to help us get an understanding of why 1 in 150[31] children have autism, or 1 in 6 children has developmental/learning disabilities?
If we’re going to do justice to the topic of vaccine ingredients, we need to look at the potential harm of all the vaccine ingredients at once, and examine their individual effects on our children’s immune and nervous systems. Then, we can examine the interactive effects of the vaccine ingredients on human tissue, and evaluate the potential for harm, as Dr. Haley has already successfully done.
How many more children need to be potentially harmed before we invoke the precautionary principle and the Hippocratic Oath – First, Do No Harm? If there’s no adequate science, and we have positive evidence of toxicity from aluminum, injected alone or in conjunction with other ingredients, and we have a potential model to understand why certain chronic conditions may be developing in a susceptible population of children, then injecting aluminum containing vaccines into anyone should stop right now until we have the proper scientific proof we need to say otherwise. We need the same scientific proof of safety for all vaccine ingredients and their interactions, and we need parents, scientists and practitioners to stand up and demand nothing less before we make matters worse.
Lawrence B. Palevsky,
MD, FAAP Pediatrician
1 PEDIATRICS Vol. 104 No. 3, September 1999, pp. 570-574 [Return]
2 MOTHERING No. 146, January-February 2008, pp. 46-53 [Return]
3 PEDIATRICS Vol. 97, 1996, pp. 413-416 [Return]
4 PEDIATRICS, Vol. 93 No. 3, 1994, pp 399-403 [Return]
5 AMA, Vol. 297, No. 24, June 27, 2007,pp. 2755-2759 [Return]
6 General Vaccine Issues: Mercury, Thimerosal and Neurodevelopmental Outcomes: Affidavit of Boyd E. Haley, PhD, Professor and Chair, University of Kentucky [Return]
7 www.whale.to/m/haley.html [Return]
8 www.safeminds.org/pressroom/press_releases/2005-07-01-Haley-IOM-Response.pdf [Return]
9 IMMUNOLOGY RESEARCH, Vol. 20, 1999, pp.147-161 [Return]
10 ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE REVIEW, Vol. 8, No. 3, August 2003, pp. 223-246 [Return]
11 CLINICAL OPINION IN CLINICAL ALLERGY and IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 3, No. 3, 2003, pp.199-203 [Return]
12 JOURNAL of ALLERGY and CLINICAL IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 113, No. 3, 2004, pp. 395-400 [Return]
13 JOURNAL of ALLERGY and CLINICAL IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 111, 2003, pp. 450-463 [Return]
14 ANNUAL REVIEW OF MEDICINE, Vol. 53, 2002, pp. 477-498 [Return]
15 RESPIRATORY RESEARCH, Vol. 2, No. 2, 2001, pp. 80-84 [Return]
16 CLINICAL and EXPERIMENTAL ALLERGY, Vol. 32, No. 5, 2002, pp. 796-802 [Return]
17 SCANDANAVIAN JOURNAL of RHEUMATOLOGY, Vol. 27, No. 3, 1998, pp. 219-224 [Return]
18 WORLD JOURNAL of SURGERY, Vol. 22, No. 4, 1998, pp. 382-389 [Return]
19 ANNALS of ASTHMA, ALLERGY and IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 6, No. 6 Suppl 3, 2003, pp. 71-76 [Return]
20 INTERNATIONAL REVIEW OF NEUROBIOLOGY, Vol. 71, 2005, pp. 317-341 [Return]
21 JOURNAL of AUTOIMMUNITY, Vol. 11, No. 6, 1998, pp. 635-642 [Return]
22 JOURNAL of IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 162, No. 5, 1999, pp.2511-2520 [Return]
23 BAILLERE’S BEST PRACTICE & RESEARCH. CLINICAL RHEUMATOLOGY, Vol. 15, No. 5, 2001, pp. 677-691 [Return]
24 BRAZILIAN JOURNAL of MEDICAL and BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH, Vol. 31, No. 1, 1998, pp. 55-60 [Return]
25 IMMUNOLOGIC RESEARCH, Vol. 23, No. 1, 2001, pp. 59-74 [Return]
26 INFLAMMATORY BOWEL DISEASE, Vol. 12, Suppl 1, 2006, pp. S3-9 [Return]
27 JOURNAL of NEUROIMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 172, No. 1-2, 2006, pp. 198-205 [Return]
28 JOURNAL of PEDIATRICS, Vol. 146, No. 5, 2005, pp. 605-610 [Return]
29 CRITICAL REVIEWS in IMMUNOLOGY, Vol. 25, No. 2, 2005, pp. 75-102 [Return]
30 www.environmentaldefense.org [Return]
31 www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/documents/AutismCommunityReport.pdf [Return]
www.nvic.org/Doctors-Corner/Aluminum-and-Vaccine-Ingredients.aspx
Comments:
tamajam10 • 8 months ago
Leaving the numbers aside for a moment, the fact is that it has been those with weakened immune systems that contract the flu virus. So, instead of pumping bodies with vaccines containing so many threatening ingredients that tax an already struggling immune system, why not explore WHY so many people (in this 'day and age') have weakened immune systems? What exactly is contributing to the apparent demise of the human body's inherent ability to fight off disease? If I dare say why, I'm sure to be labeled a 'conspiracy theorists' or other such labels designed by those who don't want us to 'look behind the curtain'. However, I would urge anyone interested in looking beyond their comfort zone to investigate geo-engineering, chemtrails, HAARP, Monsanto, GMO's, fluoride, and, yes, vaccines. Please, just take off the gloves and approach the subjects from the perspective of a child learning something new for the first time: No preconceived ideas.
Keep in mind that Native Americans lived on the North American continent for centuries without falling ill from the infectious diseases the CDC and its cohorts at Merck, et al like to pimp out a vaccine and/or pill for (to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars in profit and 'kick backs') to 'prevent'. The same holds true for numerous other societies before they were decimated by colonial conquest. The human body was meant to fight off infection! That is why we run a fever....it's the body's way of fighting infection! And, coincidentally, this is exactly what happens when children are vaccinated: They spike a fever. This has less to do with the body building up a 'resistance' as we are told, and more to do with the body trying to protect itself against the onslaught of crap in the vaccines. We are 'told' this is 'normal'.
Tell me, how is it normal to inject a baby with dozens of vaccines containing horrific ingredients before the age of 2? (If you really want to know, look here: www.informedchoice.info/c**ktail.html ).... How is a small child's body supposed to have the natural defenses against these toxic ingredients? And, worse, what are the long-term implications (assuming the child survives)? And, assuming you are taking an objective approach to the inquiry, ask yourself this: When a baby is injected with the dna of another being (dog, monkey, pig, cow, fetus.....), is that baby's dna not being irreparably altered? Where are the studies on this? I just find it ironic that the 'general population' can't understand why, for example, the followers of Jim Jones would have their children 'drink the Kool-aide', but we all are so quick to voluntarily offer our children up to be injected with a Kool-aide offered by 'leaders' of a different sort. It's nothing short of madness.
I am sorry that those of you who take such a harsh opposing viewpoint to my right to say I do not want to see a baby or child forcibly injected with toxins somehow believe that I am 'crazy' because I dare question what those in power say is 'best' for me, my child, my grandchild - or anyone's child. I believe it is downright dangerous to believe what anyone has to say if they have a stake in the outcome (profit, power, control). For the record, I am NOT going willingly to the gas chambers....I'll go kicking and screaming, thank you. And, if I can wake enough of the sleeping masses up along the way, then I'm A-Okay with being 'crazy'.
Dave to Damon Tabb • a year ago
Careful Damon, you may make a point and incite aggressive reproach. The fact is there's plenty of things we as a society are doing wrong, that "require worrying about". We are facing the first generation that will not outlive the generation before it. Strange. I personally take everything I'm told and do some research for myself to get a better understanding of the pros and cons. There are arguments in support of diet and it's influence on diabetes rates. Yet I can find articles that state "McDonald's burger hailed cheapest, most nutritious food ever" Clearly there's a lie in there somewhere. Diabetes rates are sky rocketing, and yet we're still being told that we should "stop worrying".
Chardelle Penman • a year ago
This article is admitting to there being toxins in these vaccinations..
Yeah, let's ignore the fact we are injecting ourselves with things we shouldn't, no problem, it's all in the math...
How does a mercury derivative make me healthy, and benefit our bodies?? How does formaldehyde benefit me if I inject myself or my child?? Sure, you can say it's not harmful, but can you prove that we NEED it? Most people get more sick after being vaccinated...and enough people have grown up perfectly healthy, without vaccinations. My son wasn't vaccinated as a baby, and he was never sick, compared to other kids who were sick all the time. He is smarter than any kid I know, and shows no signs of autism, or any other social/cognitive abnormality that I tend to see in other kids. There's my proof first hand.
We are stuck in a cycle of needing toxic chemicals to fight off unnatural viruses that are caused by OUR unnatural lifestyles. There has got to be a better way to prevent disease, and a better way to treat disease, than pumping people full of random harmful s**t that may or may not work, and will most likely have adverse affects before being effective. I'd like to see the evidence that all these chemicals in our vaccinations are necessary and beneficial, before you start telling us not to worry about them due to your so called "math".
We all have a right to know and understand exactly everything in these vaccinations, and yet hardly anybody understands them at all.
This article is admitting to there being toxins in these vaccinations..
Yeah, let's ignore the fact we are injecting ourselves with things we shouldn't, no problem, it's all in the math...
How does a mercury derivative make me healthy, and benefit our bodies?? How does formaldehyde benefit me if I inject myself or my child?? Sure, you can say it's not harmful, but can you prove that we NEED it? Most people get more sick after being vaccinated...and enough people have grown up perfectly healthy, without vaccinations. My son wasn't vaccinated as a baby, and he was never sick, compared to other kids who were sick all the time. He is smarter than any kid I know, and shows no signs of autism, or any other social/cognitive abnormality that I tend to see in other kids. There's my proof first hand.
We are stuck in a cycle of needing toxic chemicals to fight off unnatural viruses that are caused by OUR unnatural lifestyles. There has got to be a better way to prevent disease, and a better way to treat disease, than pumping people full of random harmful s**t that may or may not work, and will most likely have adverse affects before being effective. I'd like to see the evidence that all these chemicals in our vaccinations are necessary and beneficial, before you start telling us not to worry about them due to your so called "math".
We all have a right to know and understand exactly everything in these vaccinations, and yet hardly anybody understands them at all.
tamajam10 • 9 months ago
Seriously? Stating that the amount of mercury in any single vaccine is negligible is ignorant and offensive. Anyone with a hint of intelligence knows that the body cannot rid itself of heavy metals - such as mercury and aluminium. They build up over time causing a whole host of physical problems. And, guess what? It's not even effective in preventing the flu! How ignorant you must think your readers are that we cannot conduct our own research into the Truth.
Seriously? Stating that the amount of mercury in any single vaccine is negligible is ignorant and offensive. Anyone with a hint of intelligence knows that the body cannot rid itself of heavy metals - such as mercury and aluminium. They build up over time causing a whole host of physical problems. And, guess what? It's not even effective in preventing the flu! How ignorant you must think your readers are that we cannot conduct our own research into the Truth.
scott furniss • a year ago
who cares whats in the flu shot. the heading of this subject said something about "simple math". heres some REALLY simple math for you....the flu shot is almost 100% ineffective simple math...proves that without any doubt...without any paranoia...without any conspiracy theories. the math backs up the fact that this society is turning into habitual hypochondriacs and neurotic lunatics.....which big business can manipulate by fear...and if u dont think thats happening then your some coddled highly naive doctor whose mommy convinced you of your genius and who sat down and stood up whenever told to do so by the system.....never questioning anything in the world around you.....even when backed completely by "SIMPLE MATH".COMMON SENSE IS highly superior to having a high I.Q. someone can be incredibly smart and incredibly naive and stunned at the same time. wake up people.
who cares whats in the flu shot. the heading of this subject said something about "simple math". heres some REALLY simple math for you....the flu shot is almost 100% ineffective simple math...proves that without any doubt...without any paranoia...without any conspiracy theories. the math backs up the fact that this society is turning into habitual hypochondriacs and neurotic lunatics.....which big business can manipulate by fear...and if u dont think thats happening then your some coddled highly naive doctor whose mommy convinced you of your genius and who sat down and stood up whenever told to do so by the system.....never questioning anything in the world around you.....even when backed completely by "SIMPLE MATH".COMMON SENSE IS highly superior to having a high I.Q. someone can be incredibly smart and incredibly naive and stunned at the same time. wake up people.
tamajam10 • 8 months ago
Leaving the numbers aside for a moment, the fact is that it has been those with weakened immune systems that contract the flu virus. So, instead of pumping bodies with vaccines containing so many threatening ingredients that tax an already struggling immune system, why not explore WHY so many people (in this 'day and age') have weakened immune systems? What exactly is contributing to the apparent demise of the human body's inherent ability to fight off disease? If I dare say why, I'm sure to be labeled a 'conspiracy theorists' or other such labels designed by those who don't want us to 'look behind the curtain'. However, I would urge anyone interested in looking beyond their comfort zone to investigate geo-engineering, chemtrails, HAARP, Monsanto, GMO's, fluoride, and, yes, vaccines. Please, just take off the gloves and approach the subjects from the perspective of a child learning something new for the first time: No preconceived ideas.
Keep in mind that Native Americans lived on the North American continent for centuries without falling ill from the infectious diseases the CDC and its cohorts at Merck, et al like to pimp out a vaccine and/or pill for (to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars in profit and 'kick backs') to 'prevent'. The same holds true for numerous other societies before they were decimated by colonial conquest. The human body was meant to fight off infection! That is why we run a fever....it's the body's way of fighting infection! And, coincidentally, this is exactly what happens when children are vaccinated: They spike a fever. This has less to do with the body building up a 'resistance' as we are told, and more to do with the body trying to protect itself against the onslaught of crap in the vaccines. We are 'told' this is 'normal'.
Tell me, how is it normal to inject a baby with dozens of vaccines containing horrific ingredients before the age of 2? (If you really want to know, look here: www.informedchoice.info/c**ktail.html ).... How is a small child's body supposed to have the natural defenses against these toxic ingredients? And, worse, what are the long-term implications (assuming the child survives)? And, assuming you are taking an objective approach to the inquiry, ask yourself this: When a baby is injected with the dna of another being (dog, monkey, pig, cow, fetus.....), is that baby's dna not being irreparably altered? Where are the studies on this? I just find it ironic that the 'general population' can't understand why, for example, the followers of Jim Jones would have their children 'drink the Kool-aide', but we all are so quick to voluntarily offer our children up to be injected with a Kool-aide offered by 'leaders' of a different sort. It's nothing short of madness.
I am sorry that those of you who take such a harsh opposing viewpoint to my right to say I do not want to see a baby or child forcibly injected with toxins somehow believe that I am 'crazy' because I dare question what those in power say is 'best' for me, my child, my grandchild - or anyone's child. I believe it is downright dangerous to believe what anyone has to say if they have a stake in the outcome (profit, power, control). For the record, I am NOT going willingly to the gas chambers....I'll go kicking and screaming, thank you. And, if I can wake enough of the sleeping masses up along the way, then I'm A-Okay with being 'crazy'.
Concerned Illinoisan to FSMPastapharian • 3 months ago
That might be a good argument -- the kind of discussion some of us were hoping for. What would be helpful to know is what percentage who eventually died had also been vaccinated. Also, I've been reading that vaccine effectiveness is greater at 3 or 5 year intervals rather than annually. It would be nice to see some hard data on that, too. Here is some CDC data that makes the discussion a little murkier, I think:
% of children 6 months to 17 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 49.9%
% of adults 18-49 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 31.2%
% of adults 50-64 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 45.5%
% of adults 65 years and over who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 70.0%
Number of deaths: 3,697
Deaths per 100,000 population: 1.2
Why this clouds the discussion revolves around the fact that the groups -- according to the CDC -- who are best vaccinated -- are still the groups facing the greatest losses. Either we are simply not accounting for just how virulent the flu is for certain age groups [and therefore suggesting the choice not to vaccinate could be deadly] or there is something else at work here. In this case, it would be helpful to know, especially about the +65 population, if most of the deaths occurred among immune compromised or otherwise healthy people.
That might be a good argument -- the kind of discussion some of us were hoping for. What would be helpful to know is what percentage who eventually died had also been vaccinated. Also, I've been reading that vaccine effectiveness is greater at 3 or 5 year intervals rather than annually. It would be nice to see some hard data on that, too. Here is some CDC data that makes the discussion a little murkier, I think:
% of children 6 months to 17 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 49.9%
% of adults 18-49 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 31.2%
% of adults 50-64 years who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 45.5%
% of adults 65 years and over who received an influenza vaccination during the past 12 months: 70.0%
Number of deaths: 3,697
Deaths per 100,000 population: 1.2
Why this clouds the discussion revolves around the fact that the groups -- according to the CDC -- who are best vaccinated -- are still the groups facing the greatest losses. Either we are simply not accounting for just how virulent the flu is for certain age groups [and therefore suggesting the choice not to vaccinate could be deadly] or there is something else at work here. In this case, it would be helpful to know, especially about the +65 population, if most of the deaths occurred among immune compromised or otherwise healthy people.
tamajam10 to El Duderino • 8 months ago
The explosion in 'reported' vaccine injury claims is only due to the increasing numbers of people/parents willing to stand up against the doctors telling them that it was a mere 'coincidence' that their child either died or was severely and/or permanently injured as a result of an ENFORCED vaccine injection. The CDC (and it's cohorts in the pharmaceutical industry) have known all along of the dangerous side-effects of the vaccines they 'educated' doctors to inject into babies. This is why they established the 'National Vaccine Injury Fund' established in 1988.....seriously: www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Yet, are parents informed of this at the (mandated) 'check-ups' for their babies? Nope. Parents are told 'risks' are 'negligible'. And, if a parent calls a doctor after their child was vaccinated to report a fever or other serious side-effect, they are told to ignore it. Parents are led to question their own intuition and to trust a doctor educated by a medical school funded by pharmaceutical companies (seriously...start your investigation here: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4696316 ) Beyond that, does anyone even question why baby 'wellness' visits automatically coincide with vaccine injections?
I have seen first hand the dangerous side-effects of vaccines. I would urge any parent who experiences ANY reaction in their child following a vaccine injection (and, btw, it's never one injection at a time....it's several) to demand that the doctor report the adverse reaction to the CDS. Doctors are not taught to inform parents of this right (hmmm...wonder why???), but a parent has the right to make that demand. Parents should take notes and take pictures. You are your child's only advocate. A doctor will probably send your child for 'further tests' to rule out 'allergies' (really?....a child on breast milk and/or formula suddenly has 'allergies' after a vaccine that need to be ruled out instead of acknowledging the harmful effects of the vaccine?).
All I'm saying here is, don't buy into the hype and propaganda. Do your own research....with an open mind.
The explosion in 'reported' vaccine injury claims is only due to the increasing numbers of people/parents willing to stand up against the doctors telling them that it was a mere 'coincidence' that their child either died or was severely and/or permanently injured as a result of an ENFORCED vaccine injection. The CDC (and it's cohorts in the pharmaceutical industry) have known all along of the dangerous side-effects of the vaccines they 'educated' doctors to inject into babies. This is why they established the 'National Vaccine Injury Fund' established in 1988.....seriously: www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Yet, are parents informed of this at the (mandated) 'check-ups' for their babies? Nope. Parents are told 'risks' are 'negligible'. And, if a parent calls a doctor after their child was vaccinated to report a fever or other serious side-effect, they are told to ignore it. Parents are led to question their own intuition and to trust a doctor educated by a medical school funded by pharmaceutical companies (seriously...start your investigation here: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4696316 ) Beyond that, does anyone even question why baby 'wellness' visits automatically coincide with vaccine injections?
I have seen first hand the dangerous side-effects of vaccines. I would urge any parent who experiences ANY reaction in their child following a vaccine injection (and, btw, it's never one injection at a time....it's several) to demand that the doctor report the adverse reaction to the CDS. Doctors are not taught to inform parents of this right (hmmm...wonder why???), but a parent has the right to make that demand. Parents should take notes and take pictures. You are your child's only advocate. A doctor will probably send your child for 'further tests' to rule out 'allergies' (really?....a child on breast milk and/or formula suddenly has 'allergies' after a vaccine that need to be ruled out instead of acknowledging the harmful effects of the vaccine?).
All I'm saying here is, don't buy into the hype and propaganda. Do your own research....with an open mind.
El Duderino to tamajam10 • 8 months ago
Well, that's bulls**t so I didn't read past the first sentence.
There's an equally valid argument the increase in claims is driven by attorneys who see easy money in the way VICF is set up. Just looking at the data from HRSA, more than half the claims paid were for the flu shot, and every instance was an adult.
Well, that's bulls**t so I didn't read past the first sentence.
There's an equally valid argument the increase in claims is driven by attorneys who see easy money in the way VICF is set up. Just looking at the data from HRSA, more than half the claims paid were for the flu shot, and every instance was an adult.
Concerned Illinoisan to El Duderino • 3 months ago
Dollars for Docs now includes 3.4 million payments since 2009, totaling more than $4 billion...For 2013 alone, there were 1.2 million payments valued at nearly $1.4 billion. Excluding research payments, the drugmaker Pfizer appeared to have interactions with the most health care professionals last year 2014 about 142,600. AstraZeneca came in second with about 111,200. Johnson & Johnson and Forest Labs each had nearly 100,000. There are an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 active doctors in the United States. "Most physicians that are in private practice are touched in some way" by the industry, said George Dunston, co-founder of Obsidian HDS, the creator of Pharmashine. "You add that up and it's a pretty significant number."
Dollars for Docs now includes 3.4 million payments since 2009, totaling more than $4 billion...For 2013 alone, there were 1.2 million payments valued at nearly $1.4 billion. Excluding research payments, the drugmaker Pfizer appeared to have interactions with the most health care professionals last year 2014 about 142,600. AstraZeneca came in second with about 111,200. Johnson & Johnson and Forest Labs each had nearly 100,000. There are an estimated 800,000 to 900,000 active doctors in the United States. "Most physicians that are in private practice are touched in some way" by the industry, said George Dunston, co-founder of Obsidian HDS, the creator of Pharmashine. "You add that up and it's a pretty significant number."
FSMPastapharian to El Duderino • 8 months ago
vaccine injury claims =/= deaths or serious injuries caused by the vaccine. Please tell me where you got that number for vaccine injuries and deaths from flu vaccine. Thanks!
vaccine injury claims =/= deaths or serious injuries caused by the vaccine. Please tell me where you got that number for vaccine injuries and deaths from flu vaccine. Thanks!
Concerned Illinoisan to FSMPastapharian • 3 months ago
This should really muddy the water: Flu results in "about 250,000 to 500,000 yearly deaths" worldwide, Wikipedia [poor source, right?] tells us. "The typical estimate is 36,000 [deaths] a year in the United States," reports NBC, citing the Centers for Disease Control...The numbers differ wildly from the sober tallies recorded on death
certificates -- by law every certificate must show a cause -- and
reported by the official agencies that collect and keep vital
statistics... According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year...Even that 500 figure for the U.S. could be too high, according to analyses in authoritative journals such as the American Journal of Public Health and the British Medical Journal. Only about 15-20 per cent of people who come down with flu-like symptoms have the influenza virus -- the other 80-85 per cent actually caught rhinovirus or other germs that are indistinguishable from the true flu without laboratory tests, which are rarely done...In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus..."U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?"...The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine...The CDC unabashedly decided to create a mass market for the flu vaccine by enlisting the media into panicking the public. An obedient and unquestioning media obliged by hyping the numbers, and 10 years later it is obliging still.
This should really muddy the water: Flu results in "about 250,000 to 500,000 yearly deaths" worldwide, Wikipedia [poor source, right?] tells us. "The typical estimate is 36,000 [deaths] a year in the United States," reports NBC, citing the Centers for Disease Control...The numbers differ wildly from the sober tallies recorded on death
certificates -- by law every certificate must show a cause -- and
reported by the official agencies that collect and keep vital
statistics... According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year...Even that 500 figure for the U.S. could be too high, according to analyses in authoritative journals such as the American Journal of Public Health and the British Medical Journal. Only about 15-20 per cent of people who come down with flu-like symptoms have the influenza virus -- the other 80-85 per cent actually caught rhinovirus or other germs that are indistinguishable from the true flu without laboratory tests, which are rarely done...In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus..."U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?"...The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine...The CDC unabashedly decided to create a mass market for the flu vaccine by enlisting the media into panicking the public. An obedient and unquestioning media obliged by hyping the numbers, and 10 years later it is obliging still.
MS Skeptical to Raptor • a year ago
You do well at name-calling Raptor. But, to the point, there are numerous examples of scientific ERROR and FRAUD that have been admitted/proved surrounding "studies" performed that supposedly find no link between vaccines and autism or other serious neurological and endocrine disorders. From companies spiking the blood samples to elicit the response they need to show, to CDC whistleblowers admitting they removed important data (about poor-non-whites no less) that links vaccines to autism, to vaccine manufacturers who mistakenly passed along cancerous SV-40 in their shots to millions of people, to the incestuous revolving door between executives in BigPharma and the govt organizations that are supposedly policing them--not to mention the funding aspect. You must admit the process is and a has been seriously flawed on multiple levels-- and all this built within a paradigm of corporate legal immunity, under the guise of offering long-lasting individual immunity...
It is not hard to understand why many adults are skeptical of the playing field.
You do well at name-calling Raptor. But, to the point, there are numerous examples of scientific ERROR and FRAUD that have been admitted/proved surrounding "studies" performed that supposedly find no link between vaccines and autism or other serious neurological and endocrine disorders. From companies spiking the blood samples to elicit the response they need to show, to CDC whistleblowers admitting they removed important data (about poor-non-whites no less) that links vaccines to autism, to vaccine manufacturers who mistakenly passed along cancerous SV-40 in their shots to millions of people, to the incestuous revolving door between executives in BigPharma and the govt organizations that are supposedly policing them--not to mention the funding aspect. You must admit the process is and a has been seriously flawed on multiple levels-- and all this built within a paradigm of corporate legal immunity, under the guise of offering long-lasting individual immunity...
It is not hard to understand why many adults are skeptical of the playing field.
Denver sun to ThomasPainesGhost • a year ago
Hey, here's another stupid question for you! Why, in the UK, have they banned fluoride in water, considering it to be a dangerous chemical, and yet the US upholds it in its ability to whiten and strengthen teeth? Now, how about we look at those results of a normal mouth of a Brit versus an American. Hoh, Americans have, in general, better mouth hygiene, yet we're using a "dangerous" chemical. How dare we.
Here's another question that has a bit more correlation: why, I wonder, are the weight limits so stringent for those in Asia, particularly Japan? This would be due to the fact that health hazards are considerably higher for Asians when they would be in a perfectly normal range for several other races. Why is that? You should probably ask a biologist or genealogist for that answer. Point is, the doses taken for Asians are meant for those particular body types - using more would be overkill in many cases.
I can't say anything for Finland, but that is what the case would be in Japan.
Hey, here's another stupid question for you! Why, in the UK, have they banned fluoride in water, considering it to be a dangerous chemical, and yet the US upholds it in its ability to whiten and strengthen teeth? Now, how about we look at those results of a normal mouth of a Brit versus an American. Hoh, Americans have, in general, better mouth hygiene, yet we're using a "dangerous" chemical. How dare we.
Here's another question that has a bit more correlation: why, I wonder, are the weight limits so stringent for those in Asia, particularly Japan? This would be due to the fact that health hazards are considerably higher for Asians when they would be in a perfectly normal range for several other races. Why is that? You should probably ask a biologist or genealogist for that answer. Point is, the doses taken for Asians are meant for those particular body types - using more would be overkill in many cases.
I can't say anything for Finland, but that is what the case would be in Japan.
Damon Tabb • a year ago
I love the critical analysis, thanks! I've been vaccinating my kid, but on a schedule that doesn't give him more than one aluminum-containing shot at a time. That's the substance used as an adjuvant instead of thimerosal these days. A chapter in Dr. Sears' "The Vaccine Book" (which, contrary to popular opinion, is NOT anti-vaccine), highlights the lack of research done as to the effects of vaccine-level doses of aluminum in children and infants. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, if you have any critical research or information to share. Thanks!
I love the critical analysis, thanks! I've been vaccinating my kid, but on a schedule that doesn't give him more than one aluminum-containing shot at a time. That's the substance used as an adjuvant instead of thimerosal these days. A chapter in Dr. Sears' "The Vaccine Book" (which, contrary to popular opinion, is NOT anti-vaccine), highlights the lack of research done as to the effects of vaccine-level doses of aluminum in children and infants. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, if you have any critical research or information to share. Thanks!
Skeptical Raptor to Moderator Damon Tabb • a year ago
Yes, we all know what aluminum is and how it works with vaccines. But read the title of this post–it's simple math. And you have some serious misinformation there.
I'm going to do a full-on article about aluminum in vaccines, but let me give you the highlights:
1. There is no evidence that aluminum is related to any neurological condition.
2. Thiomersal was NEVER an adjuvant. It is an anti-fungal that prevented contamination in multi-use vials.
3. Aluminum is an adjuvant, which enhances the immune response to the vaccine.
4. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is measured in micrograms. If your child got every single vaccine recommended for year 1, they would receive around 4 mg of aluminum. A child can consume up to 1mg/kg/day, which, for a 10 kg one year old would mean that they were consuming 3000-3600 mg 750-900X the dose from vaccines.
5. The aluminum salt used in vaccines is quickly cleared by the kidneys. So the tiny amount, versus what is consumed and inhaled, is simply not going to have any biological issue.
6. We know what aluminum does to children at extremely low doses. NOTHING. Don't invent a problem that simply does not exist.
Dr. Sears IS a vaccine denier. What scientific evidence has ever published supporting his claims of a new vaccine schedule? Does he have any background in vaccines.
No.
You're worried about a strawman that doesn't exist.
Yes, we all know what aluminum is and how it works with vaccines. But read the title of this post–it's simple math. And you have some serious misinformation there.
I'm going to do a full-on article about aluminum in vaccines, but let me give you the highlights:
1. There is no evidence that aluminum is related to any neurological condition.
2. Thiomersal was NEVER an adjuvant. It is an anti-fungal that prevented contamination in multi-use vials.
3. Aluminum is an adjuvant, which enhances the immune response to the vaccine.
4. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is measured in micrograms. If your child got every single vaccine recommended for year 1, they would receive around 4 mg of aluminum. A child can consume up to 1mg/kg/day, which, for a 10 kg one year old would mean that they were consuming 3000-3600 mg 750-900X the dose from vaccines.
5. The aluminum salt used in vaccines is quickly cleared by the kidneys. So the tiny amount, versus what is consumed and inhaled, is simply not going to have any biological issue.
6. We know what aluminum does to children at extremely low doses. NOTHING. Don't invent a problem that simply does not exist.
Dr. Sears IS a vaccine denier. What scientific evidence has ever published supporting his claims of a new vaccine schedule? Does he have any background in vaccines.
No.
You're worried about a strawman that doesn't exist.
Bill Kelleher to Skeptical Raptor • a year ago
Raptor, allow me to address your statements point by point:
1. There is no evidence that aluminum is related to any neurological condition.
***Wrong, aluminum is a known neurotoxin. The question is varying sensitivities to aluminum of various body tissues, and whether or not the aluminum from vaccines can achieve said levels in those tissues.
There are several studies linking aluminum to a wide array of neurological adverse events.
Aluminium exposure from parenteral nutrition in preterm infants and later health outcomes during childhood and adolescence, Fewtrell et al is just one, but literature is replete with published evidence that aluminum is indeed a neurotoxin. Most intelligent vaccine proponents recognize this and simply argue that aluminum from vaccines does not reach levels in the body that are harmful (more on this as I go through your other points)
2. Thiomersal was NEVER an adjuvant. It is an anti-fungal that prevented contamination in multi-use vials.
***Agreed, this was a misstatement by the initial respondent.
3. Aluminum is an adjuvant, which enhances the immune response to the vaccine.
***True. However, the exact mechanism of action and scope of action in humans is not fully understood even by vaccine proponents. They pretty much know it elicits a pro-inflammatory chemokine response at the injection site, but beyond that they don't really fully understand exactly how it works. Also, it is important to understand that these adjuvants (most commonly ALuminum Hydroxide (AP) and Aluminum Phosphate (AP) are formulated as anhydrous salts and are insoluble by design. They are intended to stay in the body for an extended period of time to exert their effects. (More on this as I go further on your points)
4. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is measured in micrograms. If your child got every single vaccine recommended for year 1, they would receive around 4 mg of aluminum. A child can consume up to 1mg/kg/day, which, for a 10 kg one year old would mean that they were consuming 3000-3600 mg 750-900X the dose from vaccines.
***This is where we start to get into the principles of pharmacokinetics. It is all well and good to talk about dose and to make that dose sound miniscule. However, comparing the dose received via injection to that which is ingested orally is disingenuous (or just plain ignorant, depending on your actual knowledge of aluminum kinetics). You see, it is known that aluminum is absorbed at less than 1% through the GI tract. In fact, the most referenced study on GI absorption of aluminum is probably Greger et al, which pegged it at 0.78%, far lower than what has been demonstrated with injected aluminum. You would need to ingest quite a bit of aluminum orally to match the dose received through IM injection. I'd like to draw your attention to Flarend et al's examination of aluminum kinetics in rabbits. (In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al,Flarend, 1997, Vaccine). We know from this study that only 6% of AH and 22% of AP are excreted over a 28 day period. This note will be important examining your next point.
5. The aluminum salt used in vaccines is quickly cleared by the kidneys. So the tiny amount, versus what is consumed and inhaled, is simply not going to have any biological issue.
Wrong. This is a flat out lie perpetuated by researchers who are either disingenuous or ignorant. The very studies that claim this (Mitkus et al's review of Aluminum Pharmacokinetics for the FDA a few years back is the main one) also reference Flarend for some of their data, but conveniently ignore the low excretion rates flarend reported. There are a couple reasons for this low excretion rate. One, as I mentioned before, these adjuvants are insoluble. They remain largely intact at the injection site until they are solubilized by citrate ions in the interstitial fluid of the muscle tissue at the injection site. From there, however, the aluminum nanoparticles in the adjuvant are too large to be processed by the kidneys-- as evidenced by the low excretion rates reported by Flarend. Further complicating matters is the fact that the dose used by Flarend was only 850mcg, whereas human infants can receive as much as 1225mcg at their 2 month visit, a dose 50% higher. The absorption kinetics of aluminum are non-linear, so making comparisons between the absorption of two different dose levels need to account for this difference in absorption kinetics. Further, Flarend used non-antigen bound aluminum adjuvant. We already know the aluminum nanoparticles in the adjuvant are too large to be processed by the kidneys, so one can expect when those particles are antigen bound, they will be larger and even less able to be cleared by the kidneys.
A later study by Movsas et al attempted to look at blood and urine levels in infants post vaccination. A decent idea, only they complete misunderstand (I'm being kind) aluminum kinetics with regard to aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles. They measure urine levels at 12 hours and blood levels after 24 hours. This is ridiculous in the setting of what is known about aluminum kinetics from Flarend as mentioned above. I've written the authors to ask them to account for where the aluminum is at 12 hours and 24 hours if it is not in the blood. Focusing on blood levels is even a bit disingenuous, since the aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles are taken up by macrophages. Once in macrophages, these particles can easily cross the blood brain barrier.
This study demonstrates that human macrophages do indeed take in aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles: www.nature.com/.../srep06287/full/srep06287.html
This study demonstrates aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles are present in macrophages located at the site of vaccine injection in humans: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11522584
This study demonstrated that aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles injected intramuscularly in mice were detected in the brain up to a year later: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../pdf/1741-7015-11-99.pdf
6. We know what aluminum does to children at extremely low doses. NOTHING. Don't invent a problem that simply does not exist.
Can you please supply a RCT that specifically examines the effect of aluminum adjuvant at the doses currently delivered according to the standard US vaccination schedule that proves this? How about data on deposition of aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles in brain tissue as a result of vaccines? Mitkus cited two papers in its brief mention of the brain, neither had anything to do with aluminum adjuvant in vaccines. The absorption and excretion kinetics are markedly different between aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles and orally ingested aluminum which converts to ionic aluminum. The latter is processed by the kidneys, and at least 50% is excreted quickly. The same cannot be said for the latter. I challenge you to present published data to the contrary.
Raptor, allow me to address your statements point by point:
1. There is no evidence that aluminum is related to any neurological condition.
***Wrong, aluminum is a known neurotoxin. The question is varying sensitivities to aluminum of various body tissues, and whether or not the aluminum from vaccines can achieve said levels in those tissues.
There are several studies linking aluminum to a wide array of neurological adverse events.
Aluminium exposure from parenteral nutrition in preterm infants and later health outcomes during childhood and adolescence, Fewtrell et al is just one, but literature is replete with published evidence that aluminum is indeed a neurotoxin. Most intelligent vaccine proponents recognize this and simply argue that aluminum from vaccines does not reach levels in the body that are harmful (more on this as I go through your other points)
2. Thiomersal was NEVER an adjuvant. It is an anti-fungal that prevented contamination in multi-use vials.
***Agreed, this was a misstatement by the initial respondent.
3. Aluminum is an adjuvant, which enhances the immune response to the vaccine.
***True. However, the exact mechanism of action and scope of action in humans is not fully understood even by vaccine proponents. They pretty much know it elicits a pro-inflammatory chemokine response at the injection site, but beyond that they don't really fully understand exactly how it works. Also, it is important to understand that these adjuvants (most commonly ALuminum Hydroxide (AP) and Aluminum Phosphate (AP) are formulated as anhydrous salts and are insoluble by design. They are intended to stay in the body for an extended period of time to exert their effects. (More on this as I go further on your points)
4. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is measured in micrograms. If your child got every single vaccine recommended for year 1, they would receive around 4 mg of aluminum. A child can consume up to 1mg/kg/day, which, for a 10 kg one year old would mean that they were consuming 3000-3600 mg 750-900X the dose from vaccines.
***This is where we start to get into the principles of pharmacokinetics. It is all well and good to talk about dose and to make that dose sound miniscule. However, comparing the dose received via injection to that which is ingested orally is disingenuous (or just plain ignorant, depending on your actual knowledge of aluminum kinetics). You see, it is known that aluminum is absorbed at less than 1% through the GI tract. In fact, the most referenced study on GI absorption of aluminum is probably Greger et al, which pegged it at 0.78%, far lower than what has been demonstrated with injected aluminum. You would need to ingest quite a bit of aluminum orally to match the dose received through IM injection. I'd like to draw your attention to Flarend et al's examination of aluminum kinetics in rabbits. (In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al,Flarend, 1997, Vaccine). We know from this study that only 6% of AH and 22% of AP are excreted over a 28 day period. This note will be important examining your next point.
5. The aluminum salt used in vaccines is quickly cleared by the kidneys. So the tiny amount, versus what is consumed and inhaled, is simply not going to have any biological issue.
Wrong. This is a flat out lie perpetuated by researchers who are either disingenuous or ignorant. The very studies that claim this (Mitkus et al's review of Aluminum Pharmacokinetics for the FDA a few years back is the main one) also reference Flarend for some of their data, but conveniently ignore the low excretion rates flarend reported. There are a couple reasons for this low excretion rate. One, as I mentioned before, these adjuvants are insoluble. They remain largely intact at the injection site until they are solubilized by citrate ions in the interstitial fluid of the muscle tissue at the injection site. From there, however, the aluminum nanoparticles in the adjuvant are too large to be processed by the kidneys-- as evidenced by the low excretion rates reported by Flarend. Further complicating matters is the fact that the dose used by Flarend was only 850mcg, whereas human infants can receive as much as 1225mcg at their 2 month visit, a dose 50% higher. The absorption kinetics of aluminum are non-linear, so making comparisons between the absorption of two different dose levels need to account for this difference in absorption kinetics. Further, Flarend used non-antigen bound aluminum adjuvant. We already know the aluminum nanoparticles in the adjuvant are too large to be processed by the kidneys, so one can expect when those particles are antigen bound, they will be larger and even less able to be cleared by the kidneys.
A later study by Movsas et al attempted to look at blood and urine levels in infants post vaccination. A decent idea, only they complete misunderstand (I'm being kind) aluminum kinetics with regard to aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles. They measure urine levels at 12 hours and blood levels after 24 hours. This is ridiculous in the setting of what is known about aluminum kinetics from Flarend as mentioned above. I've written the authors to ask them to account for where the aluminum is at 12 hours and 24 hours if it is not in the blood. Focusing on blood levels is even a bit disingenuous, since the aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles are taken up by macrophages. Once in macrophages, these particles can easily cross the blood brain barrier.
This study demonstrates that human macrophages do indeed take in aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles: www.nature.com/.../srep06287/full/srep06287.html
This study demonstrates aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles are present in macrophages located at the site of vaccine injection in humans: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11522584
This study demonstrated that aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles injected intramuscularly in mice were detected in the brain up to a year later: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../pdf/1741-7015-11-99.pdf
6. We know what aluminum does to children at extremely low doses. NOTHING. Don't invent a problem that simply does not exist.
Can you please supply a RCT that specifically examines the effect of aluminum adjuvant at the doses currently delivered according to the standard US vaccination schedule that proves this? How about data on deposition of aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles in brain tissue as a result of vaccines? Mitkus cited two papers in its brief mention of the brain, neither had anything to do with aluminum adjuvant in vaccines. The absorption and excretion kinetics are markedly different between aluminum adjuvant nanoparticles and orally ingested aluminum which converts to ionic aluminum. The latter is processed by the kidneys, and at least 50% is excreted quickly. The same cannot be said for the latter. I challenge you to present published data to the contrary.
Damon Tabb to Skeptical Raptor • a year ago
So, having read the Vaccine Book, I can say that the arguments Dr. Sears presents are definitely not anti-vaccine. I quote from his preface: "There is little doubt that vaccines have played a useful role in eliminating some diseases from our population, and limiting many others..." He cites Smallpox and Polio as two prime examples. These are definitely not the views of an anti-vaxxer. Perhaps he has radicalized since writing the book, I don't know, but based on what I've read, he is certainly not a vaccine denier.
Now, I'm getting some conflicting information about the potential toxicity of aluminum from Ch. 15 of his book and your recent post. His assertion is that the few studies that have been done are inconclusive at best, and none focus on toxicity in children and infants. If you have access to this chapter of the book, please revisit the section on aluminum. This book was published in 2007. If you know of additional studies have been undertaken since then that provide more clarity on this subject, that would be super helpful.
Thanks,
Damon
So, having read the Vaccine Book, I can say that the arguments Dr. Sears presents are definitely not anti-vaccine. I quote from his preface: "There is little doubt that vaccines have played a useful role in eliminating some diseases from our population, and limiting many others..." He cites Smallpox and Polio as two prime examples. These are definitely not the views of an anti-vaxxer. Perhaps he has radicalized since writing the book, I don't know, but based on what I've read, he is certainly not a vaccine denier.
Now, I'm getting some conflicting information about the potential toxicity of aluminum from Ch. 15 of his book and your recent post. His assertion is that the few studies that have been done are inconclusive at best, and none focus on toxicity in children and infants. If you have access to this chapter of the book, please revisit the section on aluminum. This book was published in 2007. If you know of additional studies have been undertaken since then that provide more clarity on this subject, that would be super helpful.
Thanks,
Damon
Dave to Damon Tabb • a year ago
Careful Damon, you may make a point and incite aggressive reproach. The fact is there's plenty of things we as a society are doing wrong, that "require worrying about". We are facing the first generation that will not outlive the generation before it. Strange. I personally take everything I'm told and do some research for myself to get a better understanding of the pros and cons. There are arguments in support of diet and it's influence on diabetes rates. Yet I can find articles that state "McDonald's burger hailed cheapest, most nutritious food ever" Clearly there's a lie in there somewhere. Diabetes rates are sky rocketing, and yet we're still being told that we should "stop worrying".
qqqjones • a year ago
The fair intelligent way to evaluate scientific claims is to fairly present all sides. Why should I listen to a partisan view of one scientific hypothesis, which is in effect claiming that this scientific camp is right and other scientific hypothesises are wrong, or don't exist, or are so few that any dissenting view is not worth mentioning?
Why the hell politicize scientific debate? A vaccination in and of its self might well be "safe." That doesn't address whether multiple vaccinations all given at the same time are equally safe, because of the faulty logic that one safe vaccine plus 5 safe vaccines must equal a safe single regimen of vaccines. Where's you data and study on the interactions of multiple medicines.
I just had a healthy, young cat die within two weeks of getting 3 vaccinations and a worm treatment. He checked out and was anemic from flea bites.
Does that prove any one of the vaccinations were not safe? No, but then again the vet couldn't tell me how 3 vaccinations, a particular worm treatment and a flea pill all interacted on an anemic cat. He was guessing, and instead of dividing up the medicine over a period time to adjust to the cat's weakened state, preceded in a rush.
So for a 100 dollar vet bill, I got a dead cat. Better than a dead child or an autistic child.
The fair intelligent way to evaluate scientific claims is to fairly present all sides. Why should I listen to a partisan view of one scientific hypothesis, which is in effect claiming that this scientific camp is right and other scientific hypothesises are wrong, or don't exist, or are so few that any dissenting view is not worth mentioning?
Why the hell politicize scientific debate? A vaccination in and of its self might well be "safe." That doesn't address whether multiple vaccinations all given at the same time are equally safe, because of the faulty logic that one safe vaccine plus 5 safe vaccines must equal a safe single regimen of vaccines. Where's you data and study on the interactions of multiple medicines.
I just had a healthy, young cat die within two weeks of getting 3 vaccinations and a worm treatment. He checked out and was anemic from flea bites.
Does that prove any one of the vaccinations were not safe? No, but then again the vet couldn't tell me how 3 vaccinations, a particular worm treatment and a flea pill all interacted on an anemic cat. He was guessing, and instead of dividing up the medicine over a period time to adjust to the cat's weakened state, preceded in a rush.
So for a 100 dollar vet bill, I got a dead cat. Better than a dead child or an autistic child.
Dave • a year ago
Let me tell you a story of one of my experiences that made me a cynic. My wife and I brought our daughter in to our GP for a scheduled check-up when she was a baby. The Dr. at this visit informed us she was due for her Chicken Pox vaccine. We had some questions for her regarding said vaccination. When we questioned the vaccine we were told that this vaccination is (and I quote) "Absolutely imperative"
So we set into discussing the vaccine and its implications with our GP. In the U.S. in 1995 before the vaccine was administered there was 11,000 patients administered into hospital due to chicken pox. Now I would imagine those admissions would range in severity, and age of patient (which is important). 100 of the visits resulted in death. That is a 0.0041% chance that chicken pox could lead to potential hospitalization and a 0.000038% chance that it could lead to death. Seems low.
Why take that chance at all you ask? Well lets look at the vaccine first. How long does it last? "Best guess is 10 years" she tells us (which coincided with our research) but there's a booster coming out soon that they believe will get 20 years of immunity. So that suggests we will have an immune compromised population in their 20's and beyond. Now lets discuss the effects of the Chicken Pox virus on adults. Are we all aware of the effects Chicken Pox has on adults?
www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/hcp/clinical-overview.html
In healthy children, varicella is generally mild, with an itchy rash, malaise, and temperature up to 102°F for 2 to 3 days. Adults are at risk for more severe disease and have a higher incidence of complications.
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chickenpox/basics/complications/con-20019025
Chickenpox and pregnancy
Other complications of chickenpox affect pregnant women. Chickenpox early in pregnancy can result in a variety of problems in a newborn, including low birth weight and birth defects, such as limb abnormalities. A greater threat to a baby occurs when the mother develops chickenpox in the week before birth. Then it can cause a serious, life-threatening infection in a newborn.
Pregnant women you say? Such as those in their 20's and beyond who now have no natural immunity? Birth defects? Death? Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. Guess what our GP said at that time. And I quote. "Oh the jury's still out on the Chicken Pox vaccine". Seemed like quite the 180, in under 2 minutes.
That day we switched GP's, and started to do more research.
Now I am of the belief that there's not more than a handful of 20+ year olds that will have a vaccine booster alert programmed into their cell phones. Rather we will have a group of individuals preoccupied with education, new careers, and potentially starting families.
The moral of the story? Are we not potentially over vaccinating? When you look back in history when humans have tried to change the course of nature, it has routinely come back to bite us in the ass. Look if you will at antibiotics. What a great thing it has done for the human race. Look at us now - over prescribing and it is losing its effectiveness. We have moved into the world of super bugs that antibiotics no longer manage. These are my concerns.
Let me tell you a story of one of my experiences that made me a cynic. My wife and I brought our daughter in to our GP for a scheduled check-up when she was a baby. The Dr. at this visit informed us she was due for her Chicken Pox vaccine. We had some questions for her regarding said vaccination. When we questioned the vaccine we were told that this vaccination is (and I quote) "Absolutely imperative"
So we set into discussing the vaccine and its implications with our GP. In the U.S. in 1995 before the vaccine was administered there was 11,000 patients administered into hospital due to chicken pox. Now I would imagine those admissions would range in severity, and age of patient (which is important). 100 of the visits resulted in death. That is a 0.0041% chance that chicken pox could lead to potential hospitalization and a 0.000038% chance that it could lead to death. Seems low.
Why take that chance at all you ask? Well lets look at the vaccine first. How long does it last? "Best guess is 10 years" she tells us (which coincided with our research) but there's a booster coming out soon that they believe will get 20 years of immunity. So that suggests we will have an immune compromised population in their 20's and beyond. Now lets discuss the effects of the Chicken Pox virus on adults. Are we all aware of the effects Chicken Pox has on adults?
www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/hcp/clinical-overview.html
In healthy children, varicella is generally mild, with an itchy rash, malaise, and temperature up to 102°F for 2 to 3 days. Adults are at risk for more severe disease and have a higher incidence of complications.
www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chickenpox/basics/complications/con-20019025
Chickenpox and pregnancy
Other complications of chickenpox affect pregnant women. Chickenpox early in pregnancy can result in a variety of problems in a newborn, including low birth weight and birth defects, such as limb abnormalities. A greater threat to a baby occurs when the mother develops chickenpox in the week before birth. Then it can cause a serious, life-threatening infection in a newborn.
Pregnant women you say? Such as those in their 20's and beyond who now have no natural immunity? Birth defects? Death? Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me. Guess what our GP said at that time. And I quote. "Oh the jury's still out on the Chicken Pox vaccine". Seemed like quite the 180, in under 2 minutes.
That day we switched GP's, and started to do more research.
Now I am of the belief that there's not more than a handful of 20+ year olds that will have a vaccine booster alert programmed into their cell phones. Rather we will have a group of individuals preoccupied with education, new careers, and potentially starting families.
The moral of the story? Are we not potentially over vaccinating? When you look back in history when humans have tried to change the course of nature, it has routinely come back to bite us in the ass. Look if you will at antibiotics. What a great thing it has done for the human race. Look at us now - over prescribing and it is losing its effectiveness. We have moved into the world of super bugs that antibiotics no longer manage. These are my concerns.
MS to Dave • a year ago
Look--you made a reasoned post, and were quite polite with your former GP. In the course of 2 minutes, the GP was befuddled--bc most times, people follow orders like sheep and the white-coat is never questioned. --(No doubt this Raptor fellow will soon be cursing you out, and Im sorry for that)
I have 5 children, the first 2 vaccinated to the hilt. Followed the recommendations to a T. They both were at the GP often--with ear aches, strep throat, you name it. Our insurance carrier at the time had the temerity to notify us they would refuse further payments to our GP for our one daughter bc she was there so much for the same thing!! I began researching and learned the #1 office for Ped's is ear infections-- and coincidentally, vaccine side effects include, you guessed it, ear infections.
Upon notice of this fact, the insurance carrier quickly acquiesced from their position.
Anyway, fast forward to the following 3 children. The next 2 were twin girls. Vaccinated up until 6 months old when we saw them BOTH react negatively to their last vaccine. Blank stares, among other side effects. Since then, no vaccines (and none for our 5th child)-- and guess what? They dont even know their GP. They are rarely sick, and as youngsters (2-6yrs old), got over colds/sickness quickly. No asthma, no RSV, no constant runny sick, yellow/green mucus nose, no constant ear infections. The health outcome comparison from my little anecdotal study was/is pretty clear to us. Oh, and Raptor man, they are are well adjusted, happy kids who make all sorts of friends and attend school with Vaccine waivers. They compete and excel in sports, too. They are not Einsteins to be sure-- but we expect that they will make lasting positive contributions to human society, just as we endeavor to do.
Look--you made a reasoned post, and were quite polite with your former GP. In the course of 2 minutes, the GP was befuddled--bc most times, people follow orders like sheep and the white-coat is never questioned. --(No doubt this Raptor fellow will soon be cursing you out, and Im sorry for that)
I have 5 children, the first 2 vaccinated to the hilt. Followed the recommendations to a T. They both were at the GP often--with ear aches, strep throat, you name it. Our insurance carrier at the time had the temerity to notify us they would refuse further payments to our GP for our one daughter bc she was there so much for the same thing!! I began researching and learned the #1 office for Ped's is ear infections-- and coincidentally, vaccine side effects include, you guessed it, ear infections.
Upon notice of this fact, the insurance carrier quickly acquiesced from their position.
Anyway, fast forward to the following 3 children. The next 2 were twin girls. Vaccinated up until 6 months old when we saw them BOTH react negatively to their last vaccine. Blank stares, among other side effects. Since then, no vaccines (and none for our 5th child)-- and guess what? They dont even know their GP. They are rarely sick, and as youngsters (2-6yrs old), got over colds/sickness quickly. No asthma, no RSV, no constant runny sick, yellow/green mucus nose, no constant ear infections. The health outcome comparison from my little anecdotal study was/is pretty clear to us. Oh, and Raptor man, they are are well adjusted, happy kids who make all sorts of friends and attend school with Vaccine waivers. They compete and excel in sports, too. They are not Einsteins to be sure-- but we expect that they will make lasting positive contributions to human society, just as we endeavor to do.
Dave to MS • a year ago
I share in your sentiments MS. The flu kills up to 45,000 people a year, even with vaccines. Yet somehow when/if my children get the flu, they're typically over it in a day, and it is accompanied by a mild fever if any for at most a few hours.
I do not sit here and preach that vaccines work, or do not. I do not know. My perspective is that the immune system is such a delicate and complex system that really no human has even the scratched the surface. “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” ― Socrates
I think this man; Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health in the UK said it best:
"If claims of a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism are finally proven", Fletcher has said, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history," and that without such research, health authorities cannot possibly rule out fears about MMR. "It is entirely possible that the immune systems of a small minority simply cannot cope with the challenge of the three live viruses in the MMR jab, and the ever-increasing vaccine load in general."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Midgley/Peter_Fletcher
Yet there is no testing to ensure children are not compromised before injecting them with multiple strains. I read things like this quote from Dr. Fletcher, and think to myself, this is the man that has poured over all the "proof" that vaccines are safe, and yet he doesn't think the testing is adequate. Something doesn't add up to me. And hosts of pro vaccine forums such as Raptor, who used to market and sell pharmaceuticals preach about how ignorant and naive people are, yet those with the authority and knowledge are saying quite the opposite.
When people drop all the "go to jail baby killer" rhetoric and start to engage in a proper conversation, then maybe we can get somewhere in this discussion. Until then the topic will only become more polarized.
I share in your sentiments MS. The flu kills up to 45,000 people a year, even with vaccines. Yet somehow when/if my children get the flu, they're typically over it in a day, and it is accompanied by a mild fever if any for at most a few hours.
I do not sit here and preach that vaccines work, or do not. I do not know. My perspective is that the immune system is such a delicate and complex system that really no human has even the scratched the surface. “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” ― Socrates
I think this man; Dr Peter Fletcher, who was Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health in the UK said it best:
"If claims of a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism are finally proven", Fletcher has said, "the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history," and that without such research, health authorities cannot possibly rule out fears about MMR. "It is entirely possible that the immune systems of a small minority simply cannot cope with the challenge of the three live viruses in the MMR jab, and the ever-increasing vaccine load in general."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Midgley/Peter_Fletcher
Yet there is no testing to ensure children are not compromised before injecting them with multiple strains. I read things like this quote from Dr. Fletcher, and think to myself, this is the man that has poured over all the "proof" that vaccines are safe, and yet he doesn't think the testing is adequate. Something doesn't add up to me. And hosts of pro vaccine forums such as Raptor, who used to market and sell pharmaceuticals preach about how ignorant and naive people are, yet those with the authority and knowledge are saying quite the opposite.
When people drop all the "go to jail baby killer" rhetoric and start to engage in a proper conversation, then maybe we can get somewhere in this discussion. Until then the topic will only become more polarized.
Dave • a year ago
Google "Vaccine Court" and you'll find that there has actually been millions of dollars awarded to children who have suffered severe adverse effects due to vaccines in the U.S. alone. Most articles refer to side effects showing Autism like symptoms. I'd imagine the Drs and Judges that come to the conclusion of fault on behalf of the vaccine and its manufacturers would probably disagree with what is written in this article, and the oversimplified way it's written. If you do some research into vaccines you will find that there is a very serious difference between having something floating in your blood stream, and injecting it directly into muscle (which is where most vaccines are administered). Direct injection into the muscle creates a much different response by your body then say eating a banana and obtaining said element orally. I think to sit here and compare apples to oranges and then say "See, told you so" is exactly the bad science that you are aiming to refute.
Google "Vaccine Court" and you'll find that there has actually been millions of dollars awarded to children who have suffered severe adverse effects due to vaccines in the U.S. alone. Most articles refer to side effects showing Autism like symptoms. I'd imagine the Drs and Judges that come to the conclusion of fault on behalf of the vaccine and its manufacturers would probably disagree with what is written in this article, and the oversimplified way it's written. If you do some research into vaccines you will find that there is a very serious difference between having something floating in your blood stream, and injecting it directly into muscle (which is where most vaccines are administered). Direct injection into the muscle creates a much different response by your body then say eating a banana and obtaining said element orally. I think to sit here and compare apples to oranges and then say "See, told you so" is exactly the bad science that you are aiming to refute.
Dave • a year ago
If your kids are vaccinated, then why all the fear that an unvaccinated child is a threat? Are vaccines not effective, and if they are, is your child not protected? I'm a little confused by some of the outright fear and malice projected on this thread. Maybe we should let people have their own opinions and do what they feel right for their families?
If your kids are vaccinated, then why all the fear that an unvaccinated child is a threat? Are vaccines not effective, and if they are, is your child not protected? I'm a little confused by some of the outright fear and malice projected on this thread. Maybe we should let people have their own opinions and do what they feel right for their families?
karen • a year ago
yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/
I find this post funny and arrogant. Major nail polish companies have removed formaldehyde from their products and yet you are trying to convince us through mathematics it's safe. A FACT remains it's not good for us. Fact...Autism has increased over the years. Unless you know for 100 percent certainty the cause. Your math skills will not convince me that we benefit from the vaccinations.
yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/
I find this post funny and arrogant. Major nail polish companies have removed formaldehyde from their products and yet you are trying to convince us through mathematics it's safe. A FACT remains it's not good for us. Fact...Autism has increased over the years. Unless you know for 100 percent certainty the cause. Your math skills will not convince me that we benefit from the vaccinations.
Jon Yuhasz • 2 years ago
I would rather listen to the worlds foremost authority Dr. Boyd Haley on the toxic and neurologically damaging thimerosal and its toxic partner Aluminum than someone who is good at math. It is better to error on the side of caution than on the side of arrogance. I am also very good at math. THE HUGE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF VACCINES(and there neurotoxins) + THE EARLIER AGE THEY ARE GIVEN = AUTISM, ADD, ADHD, ENCEPHALITIS, SIDS and 100's more adverse reactions. As most of the mercury was gradually removed, much more aluminum was put into vaccines thus the continuous increase in autism and other neurological disease or in mathematical terms (VACCINES WITH < MERCURY) + (VACCINES + MORE ALUMINUM) = AUTISM, ADD, ADHD, ENCEPHALITIS, SIDS, and 100's of more adverse reactions
Dr. Boyd Haley faces off with Dr. Offit
I would rather listen to the worlds foremost authority Dr. Boyd Haley on the toxic and neurologically damaging thimerosal and its toxic partner Aluminum than someone who is good at math. It is better to error on the side of caution than on the side of arrogance. I am also very good at math. THE HUGE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF VACCINES(and there neurotoxins) + THE EARLIER AGE THEY ARE GIVEN = AUTISM, ADD, ADHD, ENCEPHALITIS, SIDS and 100's more adverse reactions. As most of the mercury was gradually removed, much more aluminum was put into vaccines thus the continuous increase in autism and other neurological disease or in mathematical terms (VACCINES WITH < MERCURY) + (VACCINES + MORE ALUMINUM) = AUTISM, ADD, ADHD, ENCEPHALITIS, SIDS, and 100's of more adverse reactions
Dr. Boyd Haley faces off with Dr. Offit
Sean Mulloy • 2 years ago
That vaccines cause adverse reactions is indisputable. Usually this is nothing more than a fever or swelling. However occasionally these reactions are serious, even fatal. Children are dying, so, we have to do what's right. My children were in fact vaccinated but I wouldn't think it inappropriate for a parent with a known history of autoimmune disorders to decline. I can think of a whole host of reasons where it might be prudent. Also, claiming the science is in or finished, seems the wrong mindset to be in. In fact it is supremely unscientific. Scientific proof is slippery. Everything, is open to question. Perhaps it would be constructive to look more deeply into what can occasionally go wrong with vaccinations. It could, perhaps, lead to safer vaccines. Browbeating new parents for making, emotional, or non rational decisions ( this is somehow unexpected?) seems to be a long swim upstream.
That vaccines cause adverse reactions is indisputable. Usually this is nothing more than a fever or swelling. However occasionally these reactions are serious, even fatal. Children are dying, so, we have to do what's right. My children were in fact vaccinated but I wouldn't think it inappropriate for a parent with a known history of autoimmune disorders to decline. I can think of a whole host of reasons where it might be prudent. Also, claiming the science is in or finished, seems the wrong mindset to be in. In fact it is supremely unscientific. Scientific proof is slippery. Everything, is open to question. Perhaps it would be constructive to look more deeply into what can occasionally go wrong with vaccinations. It could, perhaps, lead to safer vaccines. Browbeating new parents for making, emotional, or non rational decisions ( this is somehow unexpected?) seems to be a long swim upstream.
FDA documents admit vaccines are linked to autism!
Did you know that documents on the FDA's own website openly admit that vaccines can cause autism?
In this video, I explain the insane DENIALS still being fronted by the FDA and CDC, both of which are engaged in a massive cover-up of scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism.
Even the CDC's own top scientist Dr. William Thompson readily admitted he took part in a massive cover-up to destroy evidence linking vaccines to autism.
One day the massive vaccine cover-up will be exposed and ended. Until that day comes, do everything in your power to protect your children from toxic vaccines.
Learn more at Vaccines.news and NaturalNews.com
The Premier Of VAXXED In NYC and Full Review
In this video Luke Rudkowski goes to the premier of Vaxxed in NYC and gives his full review of the film. We show you how many people showed up to the premier and what happened inside. The controversial film was pulled from the Tribeca film festival by Robert De Niro after a media backlash, but was able to premier at another theater. The sponsors who keep this media organization free and for the people by donating once a month on wearechange.org/donate/ are automatically entered to win the books that were given by Andrew Wakefield.
The film is currently playing in limited theaters in NYC to find out more check out www.vaxxedthemovie.com/
The Vaccine Whistleblower The Main Stream Media Does Not Want You To Know About
In this video Luke Rudkowski talks to Dr. Brian Hooker at the premier of VAXXED in NYC about his incredible story exposing a whistleblower within the CDC who gave Brian documents of a massive coverup. Brian is one of the main characters of VAXXED and in our video he shares his story and incredible findings of the how the CDC is directly covering up the link between autism and the mmr vaccine.
The film is currently playing in limited theaters in NYC to find out more check out www.vaxxedthemovie.com/