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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 24, 2018 13:43:20 GMT -5
the solution is stop blaming the west /others for your own self diseases
and do whats right and not just for your fantasies
Ok then don't blame us for your own self diseases
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 14:00:10 GMT -5
@covertfool Whats that? You want him? No,he is an amateur
1976 -Good thing going but then Tito died and the nationalists came in
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 24, 2018 14:02:31 GMT -5
Zoran Dindic was good for you guys but ya assassinated that good man about 15 years ago. like I said you are your worst enemy
Complex issue. Not that easy to explain.
This has several steps to it.
1) Kostunica was not to be trusted by the west as he appeared to be moving also in a patriotic direction gradually. Kostunica was probably not willing to go beyond words and stepped aside without being problematic.
2) Djindjic. Based on the info I have he was killed for a different reason. West caused October5 in Serbia back in 2000 and installed their own people. I believe he was more involved and braver then Kostunica (who was more then likely a good actor and that's all).
He was one of them at least initially and afterwards started being more patriotic which was a big no no. As a result of this he is no longer around.
3) Tadic followed. He was, believe it or not, more patriotic the Vucic today (which is not hard obviously). He was probably the one to deliver Kosovo to UN. But there was one problem.
4) That problem was during the time of Djindjic and before him Radical Party of Seselj had on a regular basis
around 30% of the votes. West wanted to dismantle this strongest patriotic party but in a very peculiar and
ingenious manner. In a manner that would ensure no other party (outside of west's control) would replace RP.
They wanted to draw a new party that initially was to appear as patriotic and as a natural progression of Radial party and which would , as the time passes, steal the political platform of Liberal Party (Cedo Jovanovic) . This platform is nothing but an extension of western liberal values and anything but patriotic. They could not have started new party with such platform. It had to be gradual. Boiling a frog idea comes to mind.
They had #2 (Nikolic) and #3 (Vucic) in hierarchy in RP be the ones to form the new party.
Now we are where we are.
I believe #4 here as always in west's focus and had to happen before it proceeds to the issue of Kosovo.
Djindjic was trowing a monkey wrench it appears and probably did not want to step aside.
Serbia is anything but an independent country.
(same goes for any other country in Balkans or its vicinity except perhaps Turkey and Hungary)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 14:05:58 GMT -5
The story goes like this "once upon a time there was a country in Balkans where people were going happy to work and everything worked just fine...". I know only the good things about SFR Yugoslavia and by many parameters it was advanced.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 24, 2018 14:13:36 GMT -5
The story goes like this "once upon a time there was a country in Balkans where people were going happy to work and everything worked just fine...". I know only the good things about SFR Yugoslavia and by many parameters it was advanced.
Whether one likes SFRJ or not, one can easily argue that this was at least an independent country or at least far more independent then the successor states we have today. These states are basically colonies.
SFRJ did take many loans and basically lived of of those. BUT at least they used this money to promote local economy and production. Successor states, on one side, owe a huge debt to world bank and, the other, have nothing to show for it in terms of local economy and local production (which is EVEN diminishing every year to ensure colonial status and being able to repay the loans).
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 24, 2018 14:20:44 GMT -5
the solution is stop blaming the west /others for your own self diseases
that generally is the healthy thing to do. But when the enemy is interfering 24x7 in the most explicit manner (when they are not dropping bombs and killing people explicitly), then I guess its wise to fight the cause instead of punching your own face. And I am sure your enemy likes it when you are punching yourself. That's classic stuff man, politics 101.
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 24, 2018 14:22:11 GMT -5
the solution is stop blaming the west /others for your own self diseases
and do whats right and not just for your fantasies
Ok then don't blame us for your own self diseases
this is the point when the simpleton albot gets in whining mode and starts blaming serbs for all problems in the universe.
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 24, 2018 14:25:33 GMT -5
The story goes like this "once upon a time there was a country in Balkans where people were going happy to work and everything worked just fine...". I know only the good things about SFR Yugoslavia and by many parameters it was advanced.
Whether one likes SFRJ or not, one can easily argue that this was at least an independent country or at least far more independent then the successor states we have today. These states are basically colonies.
SFRJ did take many loans and basically lived of of those. BUT at least they used this money to promote local economy and production. Successor states, on one side, owe a huge debt to world bank and, the other, have nothing to show for it in terms of local economy and local production (which is EVEN diminishing every year to ensure colonial status and being able to repay the loans).
westies and their bot soldiers claim that Jugoslavija was heavily in debt.
20+ years later Greece had 10 times this debt, and the anglos were saying that Greece's economy (with minimal industry) is the only one capable to survive 2008 ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 14:31:10 GMT -5
The story goes like this "once upon a time there was a country in Balkans where people were going happy to work and everything worked just fine...". I know only the good things about SFR Yugoslavia and by many parameters it was advanced.
Whether one likes SFRJ or not, one can easily argue that this was at least an independent country or at least far more independent then the successor states we have today. These states are basically colonies.
SFRJ did take many loans and basically lived of of those. BUT at least they used this money to promote local economy and production. Successor states, on one side, owe a huge debt to world bank and, the other, have nothing to show for it in terms of local economy and local production (which is EVEN diminishing every year to ensure colonial status and being able to repay the loans).
The first part I don't know. I was very young boy (too young to remember) when SFR Yugoslavia started to fall apart so I never experienced how good or bad it was. I don't want to base my view on the experience of other people, even if they were from my own family, because that way you confuse opinion for knowledge.
The second part I completely agree, but you probably know yourself by now.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 24, 2018 14:43:19 GMT -5
I was 8 years old when I did my first Yugo kibbutz (1970 ) and many more after...
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 24, 2018 15:10:28 GMT -5
I was 8 years old when I did my first Yugo kibbutz (1970 ) and many more after... I searched up Kibbutz and it came up with some Jewish thing : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
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Post by rex362 on Aug 24, 2018 15:36:32 GMT -5
well ....you know us saxons
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 15:48:29 GMT -5
When you start talking about your Satan Saxons this is what I imagine:
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Post by rex362 on Aug 24, 2018 16:02:05 GMT -5
When you start talking about your Satan Saxons this is what I imagine:
your overthinking it ...I was more correct with mine from 2 pages ago
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Post by Pyrros on Aug 25, 2018 0:12:36 GMT -5
whatever I say can be mathematically proved (left as an exercise for a junior).
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 25, 2018 0:25:09 GMT -5
When you start talking about your Satan Saxons this is what I imagine:
your overthinking it ...I was more correct with mine from 2 pages ago
3 year olds don't know what satan is
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Post by branislavnusic on Aug 25, 2018 0:52:10 GMT -5
@covertfool Whats that? You want him? No,he is an amateur
1976 -Good thing going but then Tito died and the nationalists came in
Milosevic was a communist From Karadzic's trial: 3460. With regard to the evidence presented in this case in relation to Slobodan Milošević and his membership in the JCE, the Chamber recalls that he shared and endorsed the political objective of the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership to preserve Yugoslavia and to prevent the separation or independence of BiH and co-operated closely with the Accused during this time. The Chamber also recalls that Milošević provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions, and arms to the Bosnian Serbs during the conflict.11026 However, based on the evidence before the Chamber regarding the diverging interests that emerged between the Bosnian Serb and Serbian leaderships during the conflict and in particular, Milošević’s repeated criticism and disapproval of the policies and decisions made by the Accused and the Bosnian Serb leadership,11027 the Chamber is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milošević agreed with the common plan.
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