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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 11:12:30 GMT -5
According to that video the answer is "no"
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Post by Pyrros on Dec 23, 2018 13:31:28 GMT -5
greek?? they speak ancient english very good tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 15:16:31 GMT -5
Ancient English was Norman, thus closer to modern French.
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Post by branislavnusic on Dec 24, 2018 14:11:25 GMT -5
Ancient English was Norman, thus closer to modern French. English is a Germanic language
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 14:51:09 GMT -5
Its mixed Germanic with Old Norman. English has a lot of Norman loan words.
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Post by branislavnusic on Dec 25, 2018 9:49:47 GMT -5
Its mixed Germanic with Old Norman. English has a lot of Norman loan words. yes, but English people are descendants of Anglo-Saxons a Germanic people
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 10:04:19 GMT -5
Its mixed Germanic with Old Norman. English has a lot of Norman loan words. yes, but English people are descendants of Anglo-Saxons a Germanic people Genetically they are mostly Celtic. Not even Germany has a lot of Saxon influence, only in the north, and likewise England in the east.
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Post by Pyrros on Dec 25, 2018 10:46:23 GMT -5
BTW, any celto-Slavic conns? - Celts were weak and got extinc - not slavic - Celts were targets of the germanos - slaic ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 10:56:01 GMT -5
Celtic people were fighting the Romans. They had alliance with Germanic people. Check the tribe called Cimbri for more example.
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Post by branislavnusic on Dec 25, 2018 14:01:10 GMT -5
yes, but English people are descendants of Anglo-Saxons a Germanic people Genetically they are mostly Celtic. Not even Germany has a lot of Saxon influence, only in the north, and likewise England in the east. Saxons in britain are like Turks in anatolia, mostly descendants of natives.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 17:22:18 GMT -5
Genetically they are mostly Celtic. Not even Germany has a lot of Saxon influence, only in the north, and likewise England in the east. Saxons in britain are like Turks in anatolia, mostly descendants of natives. Well no, I think you're wrong. Saxons are Nordic people. They, along with Juts or whatever were those people of Germanic/Viking descent whom raided England through the early middle ages, are newcomers to England. Modern English people are mostly of Celtic origins, be it through the Norman (Romanized Celts with minor Germanic influence) or older Celtic people that lived in the British Isles.
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 25, 2018 18:22:17 GMT -5
your question should be "do modern Greeks speak ancient Greek?".The language has changed throughout the centuries like ALL LANGUAGES!Why dont you ask if Italians speak latin?But...many Greeks today can understand ancient greek,for instance students and graduates of history and archaeology school etc....
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Post by branislavnusic on Dec 26, 2018 3:11:10 GMT -5
Saxons in britain are like Turks in anatolia, mostly descendants of natives. Well no, I think you're wrong. Saxons are Nordic people. They, along with Juts or whatever were those people of Germanic/Viking descent whom raided England through the early middle ages, are newcomers to England. Modern English people are mostly of Celtic origins, be it through the Norman (Romanized Celts with minor Germanic influence) or older Celtic people that lived in the British Isles. They are mostly of native origins however speak the newcomers language, like the turks in anatolia, that was my comparison. in the welsh language "Anglo-Saxon" means foreigner
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Post by Pyrros on Dec 26, 2018 10:42:26 GMT -5
your question should be "do modern Greeks speak ancient Greek?".The language has changed throughout the centuries like ALL LANGUAGES!Why dont you ask if Italians speak latin?But...many Greeks today can understand ancient greek,for instance students and graduates of history and archaeology school etc....
By comparison to other Balkan nations, young neo-greeks have the tendency to use english language extensively even when it is barely needed. e.g. in my company we write in english, which I find idiotic since by doing so leads to many misunderstandings, wrong conclusions, etc. By comparison to the Cypriots, even if they were under Saxon rule for quite a long time, still they FAVOR the GREEK language whenever they can.
Cypriots have the tendency to use Greek in a Saxon surrounding context, whereas neo-Greeks have the tendency to abandon Greek in whatever context.
Greeks use Greek language ONLY when they want to appy some sort of power against some fellow Balkanian.
It is sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 11:05:56 GMT -5
your question should be "do modern Greeks speak ancient Greek?".The language has changed throughout the centuries like ALL LANGUAGES!Why dont you ask if Italians speak latin? But...many Greeks today can understand ancient greek,for instance students and graduates of history and archaeology school etc.... First of quantify word "many". What is "many"? lf it means more than 50% then the answer is "no", that amount is probably not even 25% given that people in the video represent random sample of the total Greek population.
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Post by Pyrros on Dec 26, 2018 11:37:32 GMT -5
your question should be "do modern Greeks speak ancient Greek?".The language has changed throughout the centuries like ALL LANGUAGES!Why dont you ask if Italians speak latin? But...many Greeks today can understand ancient greek,for instance students and graduates of history and archaeology school etc.... First of quantify word "many". What is "many"? lf it means more than 50% then the answer is "no", that amount is probably not even 25% given that people in the video represent random sample of the total Greek population. 25% is a huge number. True number in mainland must be below 5% overall. (only those who study this in school)
Cretans and Cypriots master fully the Greek language, so it is safe to say that 100% of them speak correct (true) Greek.
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TRUE ANCIENT greek, is not what the west has taught us.
ANCIENT GREEK HAD LOCATIVE declension, so overall there were 6 declensions :
nomonativ, genitiv, akusativ, dativ, vokativ, AND Lokativ
I bet they had Istrumental as well, but we have no evidence of this.
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 22, 2019 17:09:52 GMT -5
Do italians understand latin?
Do japanese people understand ancient japanese?
Understanding ancient greek depends on the century that the script was written.The new Testament was written in ancient greek as you may know.I can understand more than 70% of the texts from the new Testament that i have read.But if i try to read Odyssey which was written 8 centuries before that,i will need a dictionary of ancient greek!
Also,it's easier to understand the koene (common) ancient greek language and not the Aeolic dialect.So,it depends on the dialect as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:45:50 GMT -5
Do italians understand latin?
Do japanese people understand ancient japanese?
Understanding ancient greek depends on the century that the script was written.The new Testament was written in ancient greek as you may know.I can understand more than 70% of the texts from the new Testament that i have read.But if i try to read Odyssey which was written 8 centuries before that,i will need a dictionary of ancient greek!
Also,it's easier to understand the koene (common) ancient greek language and not the Aeolic dialect.So,it depends on the dialect as well.
Its the ancient dialects that should matter the most because every region was talking its own version of the language. Koine Greek was probably distorted, Romanized version of some Greek dialect, spoken by Romans living in Greece. Italians from specific areas have high understanding of Latin. Modern Russian is almost identical to Old Church Slavonic. Other Slavs have no problem with ancient proto-Slavic language. I don't have clue about Japan and their language but you haven't yet proved anything.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 22, 2019 21:49:52 GMT -5
I repeat that TRUE greek is a language that still needs exploration and research. I will try to find notions of instrumental declension, cause as I said LOCATIVE was a real declension that they do not teach in the ancient greek classes. So which ancient greek is exactly that they teach to us? Locative was existent in the Attica dialect, which was supposed to be the predominant dialect. So, I think there is a lot of mess to clean up.
For most neo-greeks things are simple : Hey, we are all ancient greeks, long live alexander, down with bad skopia and bad turkey and albania and call it a day...
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 22, 2019 21:53:12 GMT -5
ULF in order to get in touch with the situation here, one coworker of mine was telling me yesterday that skopians are bad, because skopians are turks and friends of turkey... And the guy has a MSc, not typical villager.
As I had told you before. feel sick in Serbia??? Come to athens for a week and get into political talking. You will go back running 200Km/h.
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