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Post by Duško on Jan 18, 2019 21:12:20 GMT -5
Many Russians hoped that Hitler would free them from Stalin (clips from the article) www.heritagedaily.com/2019/01/many-russians-hoped-that-hitler-would-free-them-from-stalin/122452 After World War II the Soviet Union created a grandiose history of how all the inhabitants of the Soviet Union were loyal to the regime and formed a common front against the Germans in the “Great Patriotic War”. It has been common knowledge for a long time that this is an untrue story, because many Baltic and Ukrainian people despised the Bolshevik regime. At the same time, western historians have largely agreed that the ethnic Russians were loyal to the Stalin regime when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. . Something that happened in December 1941, six months after the start of the German occupation, illustrates the positive reaction quite well. During that time people from some of the small villages collected several thousand woollen socks, mittens and felt boots as Christmas gifts for the German soldiers. Inside one of the socks there was a note signed by a Russian by the name of Mikhail Nikiforov: “I am sending these socks as a gift to the invincible German army and pray that you defeat the Bolsheviks so that they are eradicated forever, and also for a quick victory and a safe journey home”. . “My forefathers were prosperous farmers; the Bolsheviks made them into slaves and beggars”. From 1929 onwards, the farmers were forced into collective farms – kolkhozes – often under slave-like conditions. Kulaks – affluent farmers – should be eliminated as a social class, according to Stalinist ideology. This policy also hit hard in Northwest Russia. During the period 1930-1933, there were more than 125,000 farmers in the area who lost their citizenship rights, were deported to Siberia or were simply shot. The policy also led to a disaster for the harvests; there were famines in 1936-1937 and during the winter of 1940. . One good example is a letter written to “Der Führer” by the inhabitants of three small villages in the autumn of 1941: “We give our most sincere thanks for liberating us from Stalin’s lackeys and collective farms. On the 10th of July the German Armed Forces – your Wehrmacht – freed us from the yoke of the dammed communists, the political leaders and the Stalinist government. […] We will fight against the communists together with your troops. We give thanks to the German Army for our liberty […] and ask that this message is delivered to our liberator Adolf Hitler.” . A Russian journalist, who travelled in the occupied areas, expressed it like this: “Compared to the ‘government for the workers and the farmers’, the Germans were simply dilettantes when it came to the art of plundering the countryside”. “Many sources interviewed after the war tell us that, in a material sense too, they were better off during the German occupation than during the years after the Germans were chased into retreat,” says Enstad. . Another reason for the relative popularity of the occupiers was their policy on religion. They re-opened the churches the Soviet regime had closed, something which caused something close to a religious renaissance for the Russian Orthodox church and a real revival movement in parts of the occupied areas. “This shows that the Stalinist oppression of the church in no way managed to break the religiousness in the peasant populations. The Russian Orthodox faith was still a completely central part of their identity,” Enstad explains. He says that many priests openly supported the occupants and prayed for a German victory in their sermons. “At the same time this acted as a double-edged sword for the Germans. Opening the churches led to increasing Russian nationalism and a growing feeling that the Russians should not live under the rule of strangers,” he says. .
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Post by Duško on Jan 18, 2019 21:24:46 GMT -5
Much can be written on this topic but the real lesson here is that nothing is black and white - especially in history. Hitler was clearly a disturbed man, but so was Stalin, yet we hear nothing of his crimes against the Slavic people of the Former Russian Empire.
The Bolsheviks were shutting down and/destroying churches, while the Germans would reopen them after pushing the Bolsheviks out of any said village. This is small in comparison to the bigger picture, however this still remains highly significant. Being part of the Orthodox Church in Russia was essentially considered treasonous. Countless priests, monks/nuns and clergymen were murdered, executed on site. We have countless footages of the Bolsheviks dynamiting churches and monasteries, desecrating Holy relics and icons. We know what went on in the gulags, and about the systematic starvations in regions out of Soviet control. This sector of history is so well documented its impossible to deny yet so many have forgotten.
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Post by Duško on Jan 18, 2019 22:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 18, 2019 23:47:02 GMT -5
Plain old example of state sponsored propaganda. Reminds me of Titoist Yugoslavia propaganda where history started in 2WW
(so called (and in good part made up) 7 partizan offensives).
My perception is that anyone who was self-aware Russian person would have felt that
they are occupied by communist who were puppets of western bankers. Their function was to destroy in case Russian religion, family and overall Russian identity. Wherever communists usurped power they had a similar function against host nation. Also it is interesting to note that each country run by them has a economic devastation at he end.
. During the early 1930s communists artificially created famine in Ukraine. All the food was taken from farmers.
Soldiers were shooting at hungry children approaching food supplies in the fields. I believe over 5 million people there during that time died of hunger. There had been a clear trend (as in the west) to empty out villages!! Reason is simple: Villagers can create their own food whereas city folk can not.
Personally I perceive communists as by far the movement that produced the most suffering in the world. In fact I perceive them even spiritually to have an amazing number of similarities with say Church of Satan. (Ex. Being so called "atheists", using red star, Marx praising Satan, animosity towards families and tradition, outright hatred towards religion ESPECIALLY Christianity, promotion of feminism and promiscuity etc etc) Communists in Europe were most active in the east Europe against specifically orthodox Slavs
(especially against Russians and Serbs).
Interesting to note that number of world Communists went to Jesuit schools (Castro brothers, Mandela, Mugabe = All Communists). Also: Ludovico Geymonat - Italian Marxist philosopher (Istituto Sociale in Turin) Also: Jyoti Basu - Communist politician from West Bengal, India (St. Xavier's Collegiate School)
Also interesting figure: Bohdan Khmelnytsky - Cossack leader (educated by the Jesuits in L'vov, Ukraine)
Also interesting figure: Aaron Twerski - Hasidic Jewish rabbi and legal educator (Marquette Law School)
Jerrold Nadler - Jewish American politician (Fordham University School of Law)
Interesting to note that same school was attended by later presidents,
politicians and other influential people in following countries of:
India / USA / Lebanon / South Korea / France / Salvador / Peru / Philippines / Cuba / Zimbabwe /
Ecuador / Australia / Egypt / Iraq / Yugoslavia / Mexico / Germany / Russia / Venezuela /
Croatia (Austro-Hungary) / Canada / Spain / Poland / Columbia / Italy / Switzerland /
Belgium / South Africa / Members of house of Hasburgs / Indonesia / China / England /
United Kingdom / Japan / Chile / Portugal /
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 18, 2019 23:53:02 GMT -5
Book "Wall Street and Bolshevik revolution"
See 26th Minute regarding comments about this book
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 19, 2019 1:13:09 GMT -5
They would have the fate of the Lusatian Serbs. Germanification. That's the ultimate goal. The pretense is a mere detail.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 19, 2019 1:18:57 GMT -5
Plain old example of state sponsored propaganda. Reminds me of Titoist Yugoslavia propaganda where history started in 2WW
(so called (and in good part made up) 7 partizan offensives).
It also reminds of west propaganda I saw in Brcko Bosnia in a brcko public map where the history went like : prehistoric/historic times (when romans, etc lived), and then directly to Dayton agreement, to the free Bosnia we got now. Talking about propaganda I guess the natural order went like : communist yugoslavia < USSR < NAZIs < Liberal west
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 19, 2019 1:25:57 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with the order you posted. Time-table.
Liberal west = West became 'liberal' only in the later half of 20th century *Under full western elite (WE) bankers control.
Nazi = Starts as notable party since mid-1920s (1933 takes power) *Under full WE bankers control.
USSR = Started 1917 *Under full WE bankers control.
Titoist Yu = 1945 (Since 1943 Pushed by west) *Under full WE bankers control.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 19, 2019 1:26:56 GMT -5
During the early 1930s communists artificially created famine in Ukraine. I have personally met Russians from the region, who had personal family losses from the hunger (the most affected were the easrern parts where the most loyal pro-Russians lived and still live (if NATO doesn't wipe them all out)), and the story they told me was completely different. They were classic pro-USSR, like the majority of people still are, and also told me that Russia was hit harder, although didn't make a major headline like the "holodomor" (used deliberately with "ukrainian accent of G") in Ukraine.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 19, 2019 1:29:11 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with the order you posted. Time-table.
Liberal west = West became 'liberal' only in the later half of 20th century *Under full western elite (WE) bankers control.
Nazi = Starts as notable party since mid-1920s (1933 takes power) *Under full WE bankers control.
USSR = Started 1917 *Under full WE bankers control.
Titoist Yu = 1945 (Since 1943 Pushed by west) *Under full WE bankers control.
that's true, maybe it was not only WE but E at the times.
Thing is, that *then* Slavs were part of the picture. Now they are an annoyance rather than a factor.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 19, 2019 1:33:03 GMT -5
They would have the fate of the Lusatian Serbs. Germanification. That's the ultimate goal. The pretense is a mere detail.
Fully agree.
What is ironic is that German imperial government of 1WW is primary reason for Bolsheviks taking over Russia to begin with and gave great deal of financial support at the beginning to sustain their power. Remember also, the train from Switzerland to Petrograd going to Germany under protection of German army (Trotsky, Stalin and Lenin were inside it).
Then Germans in 2WW come as 'protectors' of 'poor' Slavs. English are also allies which is a joke.
Problem Action Solution
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Post by Duško on Jan 19, 2019 16:32:16 GMT -5
This is no different than what would happen in any other scenario. The Serb ethos swallowed up many non Serbs/Slavs , this is normal when you are the dominant people. The ultimate goal for Germans as it was for Serbs was nationhood and unity and this is the cause and effect.
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Post by Duško on Jan 19, 2019 16:38:04 GMT -5
The difference between what happened to Serbs under Yugoslavia and the Russians under Soviet rule was that our partizans were nowhere near as bloodthirsty as the Bolsheviks were.
One credit I give to Tito, is for his constant push back against the Soviets, he created a system that was purposely very different from theirs.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 20, 2019 1:14:22 GMT -5
This is no different than what would happen in any other scenario. The Serb ethos swallowed up many non Serbs/Slavs , this is normal when you are the dominant people. The ultimate goal for Germans as it was for Serbs was nationhood and unity and this is the cause and effect.
1st off the word you wanted to use is ETHNOS, not ETHOS. Completely different meaning. On the subject in question, I don't think that going 2000 km away to murder 25,000,000 innocent people is called "nationhood as a goal". That's pretty much the far fetched notion of "patriotism" (which is exceptionalism is disguise) as practised by nearly all saxonogothic nations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 6:18:59 GMT -5
Don't forget, in the late 1920's and early 1930's Germany had two leading stream, the more liberal and more radical. At the end radicals were financially helped by Chase bank (JP Morgan), French and UK authorities. That's how Hitler seize the power in Germany. Also, later on Churchill said:
"Poor Neville Chamberlain believed he could trust Hitler. He was wrong. But I don't think I'm wrong about Stalin."
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 20, 2019 6:30:34 GMT -5
Don't forget, in the late 1920's and early 1930's Germany had two leading stream, the more liberal and more radical. At the end radicals were financially helped by Chase bank (JP Morgan), French and UK authorities. That's how Hitler seize the power in Germany.
Saxons helping Goths looks like normal family business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 6:37:04 GMT -5
Don't forget, in the late 1920's and early 1930's Germany had two leading stream, the more liberal and more radical. At the end radicals were financially helped by Chase bank (JP Morgan), French and UK authorities. That's how Hitler seize the power in Germany.
Saxons helping Goths looks like normal family business. You know what is funny about WW2?
Everything was like instant karma. USA, UK & France wanted to f*ck up Germany, Germany f*cked them up. Germany wanted to f*ck up Soviet Union, Soviets f*ck them up.
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Post by Duško on Jan 20, 2019 9:07:30 GMT -5
This is no different than what would happen in any other scenario. The Serb ethos swallowed up many non Serbs/Slavs , this is normal when you are the dominant people. The ultimate goal for Germans as it was for Serbs was nationhood and unity and this is the cause and effect.
1st off the word you wanted to use is ETHNOS, not ETHOS. Completely different meaning. On the subject in question, I don't think that going 2000 km away to murder 25,000,000 innocent people is called "nationhood as a goal". That's pretty much the far fetched notion of "patriotism" (which is exceptionalism is disguise) as practised by nearly all saxonogothic nations.
The word is indeed "ethos", a completely different meaning from "ethnos", you should look it up and give that read another shot. The rest of your post is ignored because apparently you think Sorbs are 2000 km away from/in Germany.
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Post by Pyrros on Jan 20, 2019 9:21:36 GMT -5
1st off the word you wanted to use is ETHNOS, not ETHOS. Completely different meaning. On the subject in question, I don't think that going 2000 km away to murder 25,000,000 innocent people is called "nationhood as a goal". That's pretty much the far fetched notion of "patriotism" (which is exceptionalism is disguise) as practised by nearly all saxonogothic nations.
The word is indeed "ethos", a completely different meaning from "ethnos", you should look it up and give that read another shot. The rest of your post is ignored because apparently you think Sorbs are 2000 km away from/in Germany. hmmm an albanian teaching greek to an actual Greek is a little far fetched.
ethos = moral values = stance of life ethnos = nation as for the rest of my post, you make so many mistakes that it is impractical to even start.
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Post by Duško on Jan 20, 2019 9:28:45 GMT -5
The word is indeed "ethos", a completely different meaning from "ethnos", you should look it up and give that read another shot. The rest of your post is ignored because apparently you think Sorbs are 2000 km away from/in Germany. hmmm an albanian teaching greek to an actual Greek is a little far fetched.
ethos = moral values = stance of life ethnos = nation as for the rest of my post, you make so many mistakes that it is impractical to even start.
Ethos is the character, guiding moral principles, values and virtues held by a nation. I used ethos because prior to swallowing up the non Serb/Slavs the only thing a people can adopt prior to being absolved is indeed the ethos, then later they become part of the ethnos.
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