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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -5
pre way pre everything was Slavic.
not in our backyards .....ancient slavia does not occur in Balkans or in fact anywhere in today's Europe
while slavs laugh at you with your revisionist history
lets get back to the muzik
Well no, Slavs are fully European. Both East, West or South Slavs. And in every aspect. You should be more worried for Albanians, some of your kind have dubious origins and lets not sink deeper and talk of blood vengeance, besa, other forms of "parallel, traditional institutions" and form of nationalism which can be only described as "retarded" and has no space in modern Europe.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 1:31:15 GMT -5
to take it one step further :
The Slavs are the ORIGINAL race from which :
- Indian - Sanskrit - Persians - Greeks - Latins - Gemans - Balto-slavic ppl
were later derived .
So Slavs were the initial Eurasian race on earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 3:33:11 GMT -5
to take it one step further :
The Slavs are the ORIGINAL race from which :
- Indian - Sanskrit - Persians - Greeks - Latins - Gemans - Balto-slavic ppl
were later derived .
So Slavs were the initial Eurasian race on earth.
I am not so interested in these uncharted waters, so essentially anything we don't have actual record. I don't like theories when it comes to history because for me its essentially fantasy uplifted to another level of mythomania. Maybe that's why I'm generally not interested in much of the history prior to invention of printing press.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 4:12:13 GMT -5
If we relied only to "printed" material, our knowledge of history would be a hilarious oxymoron. I follow a different approach : 1) read the reality today 2) read the processes and the mechanics of today 3) try to apply the known SPOKEN history as an UNDO log from today back to the past 4) come MUCH MUCH closer to the truth than any ridiculous history book
The matter of Language is vital. Language = being = much of what defines human existence.
If Language shows that Slavs share in common MANY MANY things with Sanskrit, Persian, Greek, Latin, German, and that the amount of common elements is much greater than e.g. Greek and Sanskrit or Latin and German or anything against any set, then chances are that Slavic is central. Slavic is the most complicated = most archaic as well. Conclusion? Most central and OLD. And the obvious outcome of this.
So, why no such a study has even taken place? Why no "written" data on this ultra natural and simple question???
So, this is no mythomania, this is pure struggle for knowledge and the truth.
AND, there is another aspect : political.
Saksans will present the two boundaries / limits : Lower limit : Slavs do not exist Higher limit : Slavs were few came from somewhere and got assimilated
So the average joe will choose anywhere within the middle of the above and think he got the "truth".
What I propose : Lower limit : Slavs are the central race of Eurasia Higher limit : Slavs are the original creation of God
so that the average is on the safe side.
Yup I know unscientific, but as Metallica say : fight fire with fire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 6:56:08 GMT -5
If we relied only to "printed" material, our knowledge of history would be a hilarious oxymoron. I follow a different approach : 1) read the reality today 2) read the processes and the mechanics of today 3) try to apply the known SPOKEN history as an UNDO log from today back to the past 4) come MUCH MUCH closer to the truth than any ridiculous history book
The matter of Language is vital. Language = being = much of what defines human existence.
If Language shows that Slavs share in common MANY MANY things with Sanskrit, Persian, Greek, Latin, German, and that the amount of common elements is much greater than e.g. Greek and Sanskrit or Latin and German or anything against any set, then chances are that Slavic is central. Slavic is the most complicated = most archaic as well. Conclusion? Most central and OLD. And the obvious outcome of this.
So, why no such a study has even taken place? Why no "written" data on this ultra natural and simple question???
So, this is no mythomania, this is pure struggle for knowledge and the truth.
AND, there is another aspect : political.
Saksans will present the two boundaries / limits : Lower limit : Slavs do not exist Higher limit : Slavs were few came from somewhere and got assimilated
So the average joe will choose anywhere within the middle of the above and think he got the "truth".
What I propose : Lower limit : Slavs are the central race of Eurasia Higher limit : Slavs are the original creation of God
so that the average is on the safe side.
Yup I know unscientific, but as Metallica say : fight fire with fire.
If you have a plenty of material you can publish the book on these topics.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 7:30:00 GMT -5
If I do something like that I will be dead even before the "print" button is clicked. No, it has to be a Slav, and a protected one. There are thousands to have done personal independent studies but nothing to connect the dots. There is no knowledge base with central management and administration.
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Post by Duško on Jul 1, 2019 8:04:10 GMT -5
Serbs are barely Slavic, come on. How can you look at a Pole or a Uki and say, hey that's our Slavic family. We look different, have different temperaments and character traits.
Absolute nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 8:32:38 GMT -5
Serbs are barely Slavic, come on. How can you look at a Pole or a Uki and say, hey that's our Slavic family. We look different, have different temperaments and character traits. Absolute nonsense. Have you visited any of those countries? When I went to Poland (and I was there for a couple of times) nobody even thought I wasn't Pole. Same goes when I was in group of Russians. Now given I am more fair than average Serb, but good deal of our people are fair. Also genetic researches shows we have dominant Slavic components with over 50%.
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Post by Duško on Jul 1, 2019 9:07:01 GMT -5
Serbs are barely Slavic, come on. How can you look at a Pole or a Uki and say, hey that's our Slavic family. We look different, have different temperaments and character traits. Absolute nonsense. Have you visited any of those countries? When I went to Poland (and I was there for a couple of times) nobody even thought I wasn't Pole. Same goes when I was in group of Russians. Now given I am more fair than average Serb, but good deal of our people are fair. Also genetic researches shows we have dominant Slavic components with over 50%. I have. And are you not half German? I thought you were.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 9:43:22 GMT -5
Have you visited any of those countries? When I went to Poland (and I was there for a couple of times) nobody even thought I wasn't Pole. Same goes when I was in group of Russians. Now given I am more fair than average Serb, but good deal of our people are fair. Also genetic researches shows we have dominant Slavic components with over 50%. I have. And are you not half German? I thought you were. People from my South Slavic side have almost entirely blue (or green blue) eyes and often reddish-brown(auburn) hair. German side has distinctively German look with darker features. I look way more like the first.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 11:46:59 GMT -5
Serbs are barely Slavic, come on. How can you look at a Pole or a Uki and say, hey that's our Slavic family. We look different, have different temperaments and character traits. Absolute nonsense.
simple facts / observations : 1) original Slavs by early written accounts were not blond 2) it is STRIKING that in SUCH an INTERESTING thread you chose to write 2 generic lines of the type that every Serb/Slav hater (the average Albo/Saksan intellectual propagandist ) would write 3) nobody came from the heavens and gave the requirements and conditions for a "slavic certificate". I mean, why should original Slavs look like Poles and not like e.g. pure Slavs from Northern Greece (or enclaves of south Greece)? 4) THE MOST IMPORTANT : THERE ARE A BAZILLION ELEMENTS REGARDING HUMAN RACIAL HERITAGE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PHENOTYPE 5) (This is my theory), not *EVERYTHING* is depicted in DNA. There is racial memories, racial culture built in a man, that are not shown in DNA tests.
We knew a couple from south Greece, whose looks were 100% Slavic/Dinaric (height, eyes, shape). The wife was called "Fotini". In their villages they used the word "Tata" for "Dad". When she heard that "Fotini" meant "Svetlana" in Slavic her eyes blinked. She knew that she was having an experience, although nobody had let her see her true SLAVIC heritage.
I could go on...
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 11:54:03 GMT -5
Have you visited any of those countries? When I went to Poland (and I was there for a couple of times) nobody even thought I wasn't Pole. Same goes when I was in group of Russians. Now given I am more fair than average Serb, but good deal of our people are fair. Also genetic researches shows we have dominant Slavic components with over 50%. I have. And are you not half German? I thought you were.
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Post by Duško on Jul 1, 2019 12:07:15 GMT -5
Serbs are barely Slavic, come on. How can you look at a Pole or a Uki and say, hey that's our Slavic family. We look different, have different temperaments and character traits. Absolute nonsense.
simple facts / observations : 1) original Slavs by early written accounts were not blond 2) it is STRIKING that in SUCH an INTERESTING thread you chose to write 2 generic lines of the type that every Serb/Slav hater (the average Albo/Saksan intellectual propagandist ) would write 3) nobody came from the heavens and gave the requirements and conditions for a "slavic certificate". I mean, why should original Slavs look like Poles and not like e.g. pure Slavs from Northern Greece (or enclaves of south Greece)? 4) THE MOST IMPORTANT : THERE ARE A BAZILLION ELEMENTS REGARDING HUMAN RACIAL HERITAGE THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PHENOTYPE 5) (This is my theory), not *EVERYTHING* is depicted in DNA. There is racial memories, racial culture built in a man, that are not shown in DNA tests.
We knew a couple from south Greece, whose looks were 100% Slavic/Dinaric (height, eyes, shape). The wife was called "Fotini". In their villages they used the word "Tata" for "Dad". When she heard that "Fotini" meant "Svetlana" in Slavic her eyes blinked. She knew that she was having an experience, although nobody had let her see her true SLAVIC heritage.
I could go on...
You beleive being Serbian is a mindset.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 1, 2019 12:36:23 GMT -5
No, it is inherited. But it is much more than DNA by modern terms. There must be more. I have been studying Slavs/Serbs, living with Slavs/Serbs and I can say with certainty that even by the most remote terms, Slavs are too similar. There are bigger chances that a Makedonian from Greece will find more meaning and sense in Bratislava than in e.g. Athens. And that a Slovak guy will find his oldest roots by living together with the Makedonians.
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Post by Duško on Jul 1, 2019 12:51:35 GMT -5
No, it is inherited. But it is much more than DNA by modern terms. There must be more. I have been studying Slavs/Serbs, living with Slavs/Serbs and I can say with certainty that even by the most remote terms, Slavs are too similar. There are bigger chances that a Makedonian from Greece will find more meaning and sense in Bratislava than in e.g. Athens. And that a Slovak guy will find his oldest roots by living together with the Makedonians.
We have similarities with other Slavic people but it's a far stretch to group us together. They have a different history when compared to us which leads to a different social evolution.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 2, 2019 2:05:50 GMT -5
^^ Urban intellectual Slavs maybe. I don't know, although they also seem to keep some basic fundamental characteristics. The true Slavs OTOH, the rural and the urban working class, are basically identical. I've known a Pole here, and the guy's mentality is like the most extreme Dinaric Bosnian-Serb Slavic mentality : clever , fast , kind , brave , fierce anti-German, anti-west, with an enormous love for Freedom .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 4:34:26 GMT -5
^^ Urban intellectual Slavs maybe. I don't know, although they also seem to keep some basic fundamental characteristics. The true Slavs OTOH, the rural and the urban working class, are basically identical. I've known a Pole here, and the guy's mentality is like the most extreme Dinaric Bosnian-Serb Slavic mentality : clever , fast , kind , brave , fierce anti-German, anti-west, with an enormous love for Freedom . That's it. I was talking about this many times (I don't remember if I was speaking here but in real life conversations with other people I surely did). There's no distinction between most of urban population and rural/suburban population in Serbia. You get no feeling that urban population is more sophisticated. That's why my city right now is in huge problems as that's what happens when anti-intellectuals take over. For better details read about modern evidences on how Teotihuacan collapsed (although here its less violent).
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