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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2007 12:07:08 GMT -5
EU Warns Romania on Car Tax 28 11 2007 Bucharest _ The European Commission said on Wednesday it had sent Romania a "reasoned opinion", asking it to change its legislation on car taxation.
The Commission’s communication is the final warning before it takes Bucharest to the European Court of Justice.
The Commission sent Romania its first warning in the spring, pointing out that its rules on car registration taxation were incompatible with EU rules because they discriminated against imported second-hand cars.
Romania has not modified its legislation since then.
"Under Romanian law, car tax [on imported used vehicles] is not in line with the actual depreciation of similar cars registered on the domestic market ", the Commission said.
Brussels is also concerned that, as Romanian car registration tax is levied only once, imported used cars fall within the most heavily-taxed category.
Bucharest has two months in which to comply with the Commission’s request if it is to avoid the possibility of being taken before the Luxembourg-based Court.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 12:17:19 GMT -5
this measure was meant to protect our car industry. It is bad that we can't import too many cheap second cars from the rest of EU but now with this measure Romania is the first new car market in Central Europe, even ahead of Poland. We have more than 300.000 new cars sold in Romania so far in 2007. We produce around 300.000 units also, but we export half of them.
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Post by ioan on Nov 28, 2007 14:12:42 GMT -5
this measure was meant to protect our car industry. Well thats great, but according to the European law the taxes for imported car FROM ANOTHER EU MEMBER are illegal. The teritories of all the members are regarded as ONE internal market and any tax or custom for a product that comes from 1 EU member to other is forbidden in the Treaties. As u probably know the law of the European Community has priority over the national law. According to the Treaty of the European Communities The European Commision can judge any member state that doesnt comply with the EU law before the Court Of Justice in Luxembourg. It wont go on for long, because if the Court Of Justice decides that romania (or any other eu member) has violated the eu law, it can jujde Romania to pay big amount of money daily till u harmonize your law with the European one.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 14:49:07 GMT -5
For you it doesn't matter, because you don't have car industry but for us it matters.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 14:50:25 GMT -5
news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-10/11/content_6860818.htm"Romania, Poland lead regional auto market growth in first half of 2007 " The Dacia Logan was the top-selling new car in Central and Eastern Europe in the first half of 2007 with 52,750 units sold, ahead of Skoda Fabia (41,227 units), Skoda Octavia (33,483 units),Opel Astra (16,442 units) and Ford Focus (14,909 units), shows a market survey of JATO Dynamics, the leading supplier of automotive market intelligence. As you see, Dacia is the leader...
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2007 15:16:15 GMT -5
This is more EU b.s. about protecting the marktets of the rich states. When the SCG union existed Serbia had a different car tax from montenegro and the EU was against Serb moves to bring the two inline. Why? Because under the Montenegrin car tax people would buy cars in montenegro for significantly cheaper prices in Serbia thus causing our improvished Zastava Automobile to lose more money then it would had the montenegrins done this. It basically only benefited western car firms.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 16:23:08 GMT -5
you're right, but here Romania protected our national production. Who cares about EU, we saved our company which is now exporting 65% of production from 350.000 units..We're number 1 in Serbia with Logans.
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Post by ioan on Nov 28, 2007 16:54:39 GMT -5
For you it doesn't matter, because you don't have car industry but for us it matters. u are right, we dont have car industry. But this is irrelevant. What I meant is one of the main rules of the EU market is: no taxes or costoms among the EU members are allowed. U cant change that, no EUmember can. Its great that u wanna protect your industry but at this point u cant because u havbe to follow the EU law first.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2007 17:11:16 GMT -5
For you it doesn't matter, because you don't have car industry but for us it matters. u are right, we dont have car industry. But this is irrelevant. What I meant is one of the main rules of the EU market is: no taxes or costoms among the EU members are allowed. U cant change that, no EUmember can. Its great that u wanna protect your industry but at this point u cant because u havbe to follow the EU law first. misstatement of fact. EU allows selective protectionism, mainly to benefit of west europe (old members). If the EU was really such a free market force then they should abolish all farm subsidies.
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 0:28:07 GMT -5
misstatement of fact. EU allows selective protectionism, mainly to benefit of west europe (old members). Example? I dont think u will present one. Sweden was the first to be ordered to pay lost of money because it was imposing taxes on German products. That was in the 60ties. No exception was made for any state. I dont see the connection? Agricalture is a community policy (so acts, law in the field of the agriculture are taken by the EU bodies(Commision, Council etc)). It is decided that this sector is not benificiary so the EU has created funds from which the people that deal with agriculture are given money. Why is this bad? And whats the connection to taxes? Taxes are imposed by 1 EU state to another and are forbidden! Farm subsidies are given by the EU funds directly to all EU members and all their farmers. The idea is to stimulate the agriculture in the whole of Europe, because, otherwise no one would bother with it.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 0:38:34 GMT -5
the issue here is can we have the right to protect our national economy? no.
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 3:06:30 GMT -5
the issue here is can we have the right to protect our national economy? no. Well, no, you cant by putting taxes. You are in one internal market: as far as markets go, EU is just a state. So if Romania is imposing taxes on products from other states, its like a region from 1 state to put taxes on products from other region of the same state. Its forbidden.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 10:37:17 GMT -5
I know, but others put also taxes, why can't we? look at Germany or France, they do it..
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 12:17:42 GMT -5
I know, but others put also taxes, why can't we? look at Germany or France, they do it.. example? ?
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 12:25:19 GMT -5
misstatement of fact. EU allows selective protectionism, mainly to benefit of west europe (old members). Example? I dont think u will present one. Sweden was the first to be ordered to pay lost of money because it was imposing taxes on German products. That was in the 60ties. No exception was made for any state. I dont see the connection? Agricalture is a community policy (so acts, law in the field of the agriculture are taken by the EU bodies(Commision, Council etc)). It is decided that this sector is not benificiary so the EU has created funds from which the people that deal with agriculture are given money. Why is this bad? And whats the connection to taxes? Taxes are imposed by 1 EU state to another and are forbidden! Farm subsidies are given by the EU funds directly to all EU members and all their farmers. The idea is to stimulate the agriculture in the whole of Europe, because, otherwise no one would bother with it. Any subsidies are bad in agriculture. The EU laws are protectionist, and like I said they're oriented to benefit the west. If the EU was truly a free market force then it would end all protectionist terms for markets starting with agriculture. Farm subsidies are a myth. Farm subsidies are mainly meant to help France. The government should not be giving out subisidies, instead thjey should open the market to all products. Because of the EU laws sugar is 3 times motre expenisve then it would be if the EU did not regulate the sugar industry in europe.
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 13:08:02 GMT -5
Any subsidies are bad in agriculture. Obviously u havent read what I ve written. Bad? For who? Deffinately NOT for EU farmers thoughout the whole of EU. Believe me they are quite happy. I think they DESERVE IT this they are GOOD. Typical Balkan untrustfulness. They have always been more developed, but EU laws are equal for all the members. No it wont because its a COMMUNITY policy of great importance. EU want to eat their own producs, why is it so hard to get it? Actually a reallity. And all the other farmers throughout EU. Its open(AMONG THE MEMBERS ONLY). Its open for all projects. Agricultural producs are subsided in the whole of the European Union (including Bg and Ro). So? I think the farmers deserve more money because its a hard work.
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 13:29:29 GMT -5
Any subsidies are bad in agriculture. Obviously u havent read what I ve written. Bad? For who? Deffinately NOT for EU farmers thoughout the whole of EU. Believe me they are quite happy. I think they DESERVE IT this they are GOOD. Typical Balkan untrustfulness. They have always been more developed, but EU laws are equal for all the members. No it wont because its a COMMUNITY policy of great importance. EU want to eat their own producs, why is it so hard to get it? Actually a reallity. And all the other farmers throughout EU. Its open(AMONG THE MEMBERS ONLY). Its open for all projects. Agricultural producs are subsided in the whole of the European Union (including Bg and Ro). So? I think the farmers deserve more money because its a hard work. Farm subsidies are bad. There should be none. They only exists due to farm lobbies. The EU farm subsidies mainly help France -- equally helping all in EU is a myth. If farms can't compete competitively in the market then they should be shut down. The EU is nothing but a contradictory and bureucratic mess. If you think farm subsidies are good, then I'd argue with you that they are immoral. EU, U.S., Canda and Japan should all end farm subsidies if they are dedicated to free trade -- 1. farm subsidies are unfair to free market principles, 2. they are immoral if these countries actually want to help the poor as they claim (10% of all people in the world would be lifted out of poverty if these countries were to end farm subsidies and actually create an open market for the agricultural trade open to all farmers in the world).
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 13:38:12 GMT -5
Farm subsidies are bad. There should be none. They only exists due to farm lobbies. The EU farm subsidies mainly help France -- equally helping all in EU is a myth. If farms can't compete competitively in the market then they should be shut down. The EU is nothing but a contradictory and bureucratic mess. If you think farm subsidies are good, then I'd argue with you that they are immoral. EU, U.S., Canda and Japan should all end farm subsidies if they are dedicated to free trade -- 1. farm subsidies are unfair to free market principles, 2. they are immoral if these countries actually want to help the poor as they claim (10% of all people in the world would be lifted out of poverty if these countries were to end farm subsidies and actually create an open market for the agricultural trade open to all farmers in the world). Obviously we are talking in DIFFERENT language or u dont read my posts. Eu market is FREE OPEN market ONLY AND ONLY for its members!!!!!! Not for third countries! Obviously u mistake the things!!! You talk about freeing the markets with countries outside of the EU! Well to them, I agree, its bad, but to Bulgarian, Romanian, Polish farmer the subsidies are GOOD. And equally helping EU farmers IS reality. Obviously you mistake EUinternal market with world free market. And we were talking only for the EU market!
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 13:41:28 GMT -5
Farm subsidies are bad. There should be none. They only exists due to farm lobbies. The EU farm subsidies mainly help France -- equally helping all in EU is a myth. If farms can't compete competitively in the market then they should be shut down. The EU is nothing but a contradictory and bureucratic mess. If you think farm subsidies are good, then I'd argue with you that they are immoral. EU, U.S., Canda and Japan should all end farm subsidies if they are dedicated to free trade -- 1. farm subsidies are unfair to free market principles, 2. they are immoral if these countries actually want to help the poor as they claim (10% of all people in the world would be lifted out of poverty if these countries were to end farm subsidies and actually create an open market for the agricultural trade open to all farmers in the world). Obviously we are talking in DIFFERENT language or u dont read my posts. Eu market is FREE OPEN market ONLY AND ONLY for its members!!!!!! Not for third countries! Obviously u mistake the things!!! You talk about freeing the markets with countries outside of the EU! Well to them, I agree, its bad, but to Bulgarian, Romanian, Polish farmer the subsidies are GOOD. And equally helping EU farmers IS reality. Sorry, but I work with EU law and allow me to have more close look at it. Obviously you mistake EUinternal market with world free market. And we were talking only for the EU market! I'm not just talking with third countries. I believe the EU agriculture policies and subsidies are oriented to help the west over the east. For various industries protectionist members exist against companies from with in the union. I believe the EU should totally abolished subsidies and create full free trade in agriculture with in the union and then expand it beyond the union.
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Post by ioan on Nov 29, 2007 13:48:46 GMT -5
I'm not just talking with third countries. I believe the EU agriculture policies and subsidies are oriented to help the west over the east. For various industries protectionist members exist against companies from with in the union. I believe the EU should totally abolished subsidies and create full free trade in agriculture with in the union and then expand it beyond the union. Its just acquisations without any proove. I agree that the internal market is very good for the big companies. Why? Cause u sddont have taxes, customs among the members, so the better survives. Pegeot would have the same price in Bucharest and Paris. However EU law have lots of positive provisions for the small or middle companies. U may believe what u like, but the countries-members of EU want to keep their agriculture, thus EU gives money to their citizens to produce agricultural products.
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