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Post by radovic on Nov 30, 2007 14:56:06 GMT -5
43% of Bulgarians Say Economic State Deteriorated after Country Acceded to EU
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Almost a year after this country's EU accession, Bulgarians feel less Europeans compared to 2004
Forty-three per cent of the Bulgarians are of the opinion that the economic state of this country has changed for the worse after Bulgaria joined the EU, while 6.2 per cent experienced positive changes, according to a public opinion poll conducted by the Sociology Institute at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences.
However, most of the respondents, 46 per cent, do not find any changes. Regarding changes in their personal life, 42 per cent of the polled said that their material status changed for the worse; half of the respondents, 50.6 per cent, say that their material status remained the same, while 7.2 per cent pointed out that their material status improved.
According to the poll, in 2007, 11.2 per cent of the Bulgarians specifed as very poor the material status of their household, while 32.6 per cent say it was bad. Forty-four per cent specified it as satisfactory, 11.9 per cent as good and 0.3 per cent as very good.
Almost a year after this country's EU accession, Bulgarians feel less Europeans compared to 2004. According to a survey carried out at end-2004, 20.2 per cent of Bulgarians felt Europeans, while at end 2007, their number stood at 10.7 per cent. A total of 34.6 per cent gave to an answer to "a certain extent" in 2007 compared to 38.5 per cent in 2004. In 2007, 40.5 per cent said they did not feel Europeans at all, while in 2004 they were 29.5 per cent.
In 2007, 64.7 per cent of Bulgarians said that a very difficult problem for Bulgarian society was corruption, 52.6 per cent crime and 49.3 per cent the state of economy.
According to 45.7 per cent in 2007, unemployment was a difficult issue, while in 2004, 70 per cent said it was a very difficult issue. (BTA)
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Post by rusebg on Nov 30, 2007 16:42:35 GMT -5
I have problems with understanding what feeling European means. For myself, I feel Bulgarian at first place, then Balkan and European at last place.
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Post by ioan on Dec 1, 2007 2:29:02 GMT -5
Now I feel Bulgarian, then European, then Balkan. Why European? Because I ve happened to travel abroad and its alot easier that when we were OUT of the EU. I connect the European feeling with EU. Probably Bulgarians do not feel European yet, because this year we didnt feel the presence of EU (most of the year was lost till the programmes that would finance Bulgaria are approved). However I think it probably would change. In Greece the presence of EU is essential. On all their big roads u see the table "cofinanced by EU". Its starting in BG too.
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Post by superman on Dec 1, 2007 3:01:16 GMT -5
you will take also benefit of EU, don't worry, just look that now because so many Romanians go for turism in BG that's a good thing for you
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Post by humbleman on Dec 2, 2007 13:30:07 GMT -5
In Greece the presence of EU is essential. On all their big roads u see the table "cofinanced by EU". Its starting in BG too. Surely you had projects co-financed with the EU before you joined EU.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 2, 2007 14:18:34 GMT -5
Greece was "cofinaced by EU" for 30 years now.. That means they are not able to make it on their own (poor or lazy?!). We have a bunch of other new countries who need to be "cofinaced". It's just so unfair.. Such countries live on the expense of old EU! I agree, the ones who have achieved some decent standard and stable economy should joing - not the ones who expect EU to give them "artificial breathing" another 50 or 100 years. There is nothing to be proud of (if being such a citizen of EU). Further more these countries are taken as a burden for the tax payers of western EU. A weired good will..
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Post by ioan on Dec 2, 2007 14:49:56 GMT -5
In Greece the presence of EU is essential. On all their big roads u see the table "cofinanced by EU". Its starting in BG too. Surely you had projects co-financed with the EU before you joined EU. we have, but the number is fast increasing.
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Post by ioan on Dec 2, 2007 14:58:58 GMT -5
Greece was "cofinaced by EU" for 30 years now.. That means they are not able to make it on their own (poor or lazy?!). We have a bunch of other new countries who need to be "cofinaced". It's just so unfair.. Such countries live on the expense of old EU! I agree, the ones who have achieved some decent standard and stable economy should joing - not the ones who expect EU to give them "artificial breathing" another 50 or 100 years. There is nothing to be proud of (if being such a citizen of EU). Further more these countries are taken as a burden for the tax payers of western EU. A weired good will.. Oh please! Whats the point of this anti-greekness? Look around. At present they are the richest country on the Bolkans. The European idea of democrasy would ve hardly been the same if it wasnt for them. Not to mention that your OWN country is influenced MOSt by the Greek culture, religion and lifestyle (though they have been mainly rival in the middle ages). As for closing the door before the poor countries I disagree. Were Spain or Ireland wealthy when they got in? They werent, and now they are and now they are contributing to the EU goals and finances. All European countries should be given the chance to change their lifestyle by joining, IF THEY WANT TO JOIN (with the exception of Turkey, Ukraine, Russia etc. Sorry but they are not only European plus they are too big to swallow).
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Post by rusebg on Dec 2, 2007 17:06:45 GMT -5
Ioan, you are in trouble mate. You oppose Turkey's EU accession and you don't spit on Greeks. Forget about Rhezus being a fan of yours any more lol
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2007 2:45:34 GMT -5
I m just stating my oppinion. Sorry if someone doesnt like it, but its my oppinion and the main purpose of the forum is to exchange oppinions.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 3, 2007 8:40:44 GMT -5
Ruse is here againg and he thinks he's funny... As a fact, I oppose Turkey's accession as well. And about concerning Greece... I'm saying what's known and true - that's all.
"Richest" on the Balkans... what a joke! Thanks EU for that! Btw, the biggest smuggler of illegal immigrants into EU.. Our country is not influenced by Greece - it's been part of a culture which Greek claim for a "Greek culture". They claim a lot more, i.e. things like whole European culture is Greek. You cannot compair Spain and Ireland here - the case with them is quite different.
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Post by superman on Dec 3, 2007 8:43:37 GMT -5
The Romanians are the richest now
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2007 9:50:21 GMT -5
"Richest" on the Balkans... what a joke! Thanks EU for that! It doesnt matter. Its a fact. They are the richest. They have always been mainly a tourist destination and have had ships and still they are good at both on a world level, so I dont get your point. Illegal? But thats impossible. After certain period (usually 5 to 10 years after accesion) no EU state can forbid citizens of ather EU state to come and work there. And Greece is in the EU since 1982. So there is no way they are "illegal immigrants". "Smugglers" can be from any nation, INCLUDING Bulgarian. Its not up to nationality, but to personal choice. It can be speculated that the Thracians influenced and I believe they did as far as gods goes (religiously). However as far as materialism goes, studies, logos the Greeks were influencing the others. Proove? The Southern Thracians in Bulgaria have had much greater material culture than the north ones. It can be accepted it was due to the Greek influence. As for Middle Ages: its undisputed that the Byzantine culture influenced immensly our culture. Even the noble titles in the Second Bulgarian Kingdome were the same in both countries (and are of Greek origin). The religion: undisputed influence. Most of the works of the representatives of the Presval school around Simeon were translations from Byzantine authors. That goes on till the fall of bg under the Ottomans. Why? Spain was in tragic situation when entering the EU. Ireland (the Eu tiger) - the same
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Post by superman on Dec 3, 2007 10:08:42 GMT -5
imagine now Romania and Bulgaria in 15 years, the best countries to live in will be those two
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2007 10:14:43 GMT -5
imagine now Romania and Bulgaria in 15 years, the best countries to live in will be those two One could hope for this. At least I hope that in 7-8 years for a foreigner it wouldnt matter if u are in Greece, Bulgaria or Romania.
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Post by radovic on Dec 3, 2007 12:24:03 GMT -5
Greece was "cofinaced by EU" for 30 years now.. That means they are not able to make it on their own (poor or lazy?!). We have a bunch of other new countries who need to be "cofinaced". It's just so unfair.. Such countries live on the expense of old EU! I agree, the ones who have achieved some decent standard and stable economy should joing - not the ones who expect EU to give them "artificial breathing" another 50 or 100 years. There is nothing to be proud of (if being such a citizen of EU). Further more these countries are taken as a burden for the tax payers of western EU. A weired good will.. Simple. Greece is too dependant on tourism (like Portugal and southern Italy) and thus is very weak economically and dependant on external help.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 3, 2007 18:18:41 GMT -5
radovic:
On the contrary, tourism is a huge industry which generates enormous money.
ioan:
It seems you did not get the point. EU has serious problems with illegal immigration, who come via Greece (i.e. Kurds, Arabs etc.) They are letting ppl to come illegaly into EU, getting probably money from smugglers.
Richest.. on a world level.. bulls. They cannot achive anything without EU funds.
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Post by radovic on Dec 4, 2007 10:27:38 GMT -5
radovic:On the contrary, tourism is a huge industry which generates enormous money. You misinterpreted what I said. Indeed tourism generates enormous money. But it concentrates the money into a few hands, prevents the development of other industries, and generally creates a weak economy. In Greece, Poirtugal and Southern Italy (the most tourist dependant regions in the EU) their basically are no industries besides tourism, each state is very weak economically and have the worst distribution of wealths in the EU. Not only that but each reagion is depndent on external aid -- Portugal and Greece from the EU, southern Italy by the north.
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Post by Rhezus on Dec 4, 2007 15:43:02 GMT -5
I don't agree.. Why couldn't be any other industries?! They usually are not situated on the turistic areas anyway..
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 12:36:31 GMT -5
I don't agree.. Why couldn't be any other industries?! They usually are not situated on the turistic areas anyway.. Why aren't their? No one wants to develop other industries because of the supposed "massive wealth and gains" due to tourism.
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