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Post by avenger on Nov 27, 2007 18:36:35 GMT -5
...but I see the term Bosniak used a lot here .
I just looked it up and it seems to define Bosnia's muslim population . Is this correct ?
Do they speak the serbo-croatian language ? Are they ethnically different from Croats and Serbs ?
Thanks .
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Post by hellboy87 on Nov 28, 2007 8:12:14 GMT -5
they may be an amalgamation of both Serbs and Croats.
After all,their genetically similar to Croats.
I dont know,they may have been an ethnic group by itself before Islam,werent they practising Bogolism or Bogomilism? Not so sure.But I think now Bosniaks are just those who traditionally were and are Muslim
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Post by zgembo on Nov 28, 2007 9:08:04 GMT -5
I don't think they even exist, they're just another Balkan myth.
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Post by amoureux24 on Nov 28, 2007 18:37:36 GMT -5
Bosniaks are todays muslims in Bosnia.They preserved their country and name from ancient times. They are the oldest european nation in Europe together with Basques in Spain and also have similar DNA with Basques.
Serbs and Croats came from cenral Asia to Europe and created 2 other countries on the borders with Bosnia.
So Bosniak is a correct term instead calling us muslims. Bear in mind that many of Bosniaks are agnostics and atheists or not practising muslims that makes them ignorant and indiferrent towards religion.
Bosnia in old illyrian means means land of water.Bos in illyrian is water.
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Post by sorryp on Nov 29, 2007 4:55:09 GMT -5
Quiz: They are totally carbon copy to each other by the eyes of the outsider, although they will both try very hard to convince you for the opposite, who are they?
Answer: Serbs, Croats, Muslim Slavs (aka bosnians), CrnaGorskis, Fyromians and friends.
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Post by srbobran on Nov 29, 2007 17:14:26 GMT -5
Amoreux,
Serbs and Croats have been found to posses much Illyrian blood and genes as well. The Triballi (an Illyrian tribe) lived on the areas of present day Serbs. Unconicendatly , Byzantine emperors and chroniclers often called Serbs "Triballoi or Triballi", Dusan was called "Emperor of the Tribals and Greeks, and Serbs were brought to the Balkans by the "Archont of the Tribals" according to the Greeks. Also, the Coat of Arms of Triballia is visible on the CofA of the First Serbian Uprising as well as various other Serbian flags.
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Post by tyson on Nov 29, 2007 18:20:45 GMT -5
Bosniaks are todays muslims in Bosnia.They preserved their country and name from ancient times. They are the oldest european nation in Europe together with Basques in Spain and also have similar DNA with Basques. Serbs and Croats came from cenral Asia to Europe and created 2 other countries on the borders with Bosnia. So Bosniak is a correct term instead calling us muslims. Bear in mind that many of Bosniaks are agnostics and atheists or not practising muslims that makes them ignorant and indiferrent towards religion. Bosnia in old illyrian means means land of water.Bos in illyrian is water. Croatian kingdom which bordered to the drina, spanning the whole bosnian region, existed before bosnian kingdom. bosnian kingdom only came during the end of an independant croatian kingdom. the kingdom was named after the river that flowed through the territory. the name of that river has an illyrian meaning but the kingdom wasnt named bosnia because of an illyrian identity. the inhabitants saw themselves as slavs, and not illyrians. the illyrians were a conquered race who were assimilated and intermarried with their new slavic rulers. they were of the slavic realm. bosniaks are a hybrid mix of illyrian and slavic blood, just like croats. i would say that bosniaks are just croats who are to a degree culturally different because of their religion, but i know this is a sensitive issue, so i'll just leave it at that.
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Post by amoureux24 on Dec 20, 2007 19:51:28 GMT -5
Bosnia existed before Croatia and the word Bosnia must've been in use even when Croatia claimed borders on Drina. Yes people are the same in Bosnia and Croatia but who is older is a tricky question.
Some people say there were three groups of illyrians Dalmatae(Dalmatia and south west of Bosnia ,Desidiats( Bosnia and Panonia) and Dardanians(south Serbia and Montenegro).
So when all these people are the same why they have fought each other?
Perhaps they have not had anybody else to fight!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by MiG on Dec 20, 2007 22:44:52 GMT -5
^ They we're pinned against eachother by outside forces. It's the way of the Balkans.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 21, 2007 1:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Dec 21, 2007 4:59:34 GMT -5
^ The Boogeyman, Sasquach, and the 7 Dwarfs.
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Post by tyson on Dec 26, 2007 17:42:31 GMT -5
Bosnia existed before Croatia and the word Bosnia must've been in use even when Croatia claimed borders on Drina. bosnia did not exist as a kingdom, or even a name of a region before the kingdom of croatia. "bosna" was first a name of a river which flowed through the area that was later named after that river. i dont doubt at all that the word bosna is illyrian in origin, but that was only the name of a river at that time. croatian kingdom was before bosnian kingdom. the area of bosnia before the croatian kingdom was under roman rule, and inhabited by illyrians, and before roman rule it was inhabited and ruled by the illyrians.
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Post by MiG on Dec 27, 2007 12:29:06 GMT -5
Bosna as it is today was under Croatian rule. Then became an autonomus entity ca. 1073, because it was half occupied by the Byzantine Empire (Which ended 1102). It's autonomy was once again established in 1358 due to feudal and rival royal families (Pavao 1st and Mladen 2nd Birbirski). It was never it's own state until the Ottoman Empire showed up and conqured it in 1526, at which point Croatia was being taken from all sides (Dalmacija to Venice, Bosna i Hercegovina to Ottoman Empire and such).
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2007 15:39:53 GMT -5
^ Thank you
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Post by srbobran on Dec 28, 2007 12:28:26 GMT -5
Mig, prior to Corat rule, it was in a tribal union with Rascia (Serbia) twice and was part of the Serbian realm for much of that time.
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Post by MiG on Dec 28, 2007 23:29:02 GMT -5
^ I don't know about that. It was Croatian since the arival of Slavic tribes. Do you have any info on what you are claiming? I know Bosna was under Serbian Influence in the late 12-1300's.
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Post by srbobran on Dec 29, 2007 14:57:20 GMT -5
Yes. Bosnia was ruled by Bans and in 753 formed a territorial union with the Principality of Rascia known as Surbia. This is documented in De Administrando Imperio. Also, under Prince Viseslav, Bosnia entered into a tribal union once again. www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/europe_814_colbeck.jpgBosnia remained a part of Serbia for the remainder of the the House of Vlastimirovic's rule of Serbia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Serbian_history
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Post by MiG on Dec 29, 2007 15:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by tyson on Dec 29, 2007 16:39:12 GMT -5
srbobran.
surbia had no ethnic meaning. it didnt mean serbia
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Post by MiG on Dec 29, 2007 17:53:26 GMT -5
^ If you look at Poland at this time period, there are the "White Croatia" (Chrobatia) and "White Serbia" (Sorbia).
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