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Post by MiG on Jan 7, 2008 17:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by amoureux24 on Jan 9, 2008 14:10:10 GMT -5
Bosnian muslims will never start a war I know so much, Serbs want their Republica Srbska to continue its existance, even though it was established on genocide.
There will be RS and there will be Federation, two entities, next 50 years or 100. RS will just go when Serbs die out because of their natality but Bosniaks will die out too as they dont have many children. Chinese and others will inhibit Bosnia.
There will be names to remind of genocide but Bosnia will be without Bosnians who disappeared somehow like Mayas or Incas.
All three nations made of illirians and slavs. It is shame that they can't live together.
Religion and nationality who cares about it any more.
I wish Bosnians of three groupations unite and make children together.
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Post by tyson on Jan 9, 2008 18:06:59 GMT -5
bosnia i believe will be united within the next 15 years. the bosniaks and majority of bosnian croats will not stand for it any longer, and they will demand that the US and NATO scrap dayton once and for all, and unite bosnia together as one country. i truly believe that the status quo will not be tolerated by the bosniaks and croats for much longer, and war will happen again because of the lack of will of US and NATO to change the status quo. the dayton accords was only supposed to be a temporary solution, and US and NATO promised that the future of bosnia will be a united one with no entities, so they must deliver that promise.
the only problem is that america has got their panties in a knot because on one side, they are not respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of serbia's borders by supporting and pushing for an independant kosovo, yet on the other hand america says it supports bosnia's sovereignty of the territorial integrity of its borders, and wants to see bosnia united with no entities in the future, but in reality is doing nothing to change the status quo. which makes me think america is hesitant to implement changes to make a united bosnia, because america seeks to disect kosovo from the rest of serbia, and it doesnt want to be seen as being contradictory and having double standards in its foreign policy, even though the whole world already knows that is the case, and can see this as clear as day, but america prefers to pretend and live in its own world thinking that the whole doesnt see exactly what they are doing.
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Post by MiG on Jan 9, 2008 22:16:50 GMT -5
^ Good points bro.
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Post by amoureux24 on Jan 10, 2008 5:15:04 GMT -5
THE only one who can save Bosnia is God. Politicians do nothing to better situation in Bosnia. Bosnians can change the fate of Bosnia.
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Post by MiG on Jan 21, 2008 12:45:33 GMT -5
^ But how can God save Bosna if the main 3 people believe in 3 different ways and each thinks it's the true way on it's own.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 7:34:36 GMT -5
I seriously think Republica srpska(Banja Luka) goes to serbia, bosniaks get sarajevo and the rest of Bosnia, rename it The Islamic Republic of Bosnia
Then Croatia gets Tomislavgrad, and Montenegro gets Hercegovina and Trebinje
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 9:57:46 GMT -5
I seriously think Republica srpska(Banja Luka) goes to serbia, bosniaks get sarajevo and the rest of Bosnia, rename it The Islamic Republic of Bosnia Then Croatia gets Tomislavgrad, and Montenegro gets Hercegovina and Trebinje Necer mind the simple fact that the people in Trebinje & Hercegovina would oppose being part of independent Montenegro .
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 14:22:35 GMT -5
MOC missionaries would be sent to Trebinje to convert the Montenegrins back to Montenegrin Orthodoxy
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 14:24:38 GMT -5
MOC missionaries would be sent to Trebinje to convert the Montenegrins back to Montenegrin Orthodoxy They'd be kicked out of Trebinje by the citizens.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 14:58:11 GMT -5
Serbs are only 68% of the towns population, according to the 1991 census
And according to the same census, there are about 10,000 ethnic Montenegrins in Bosnia (14,000 in 1981), and there is only 20,000 people in the city of Trebinje
If all 10,000 montenegrins settle in Trebinje we can take back this Montenegrin town and incorporate it into the Independent Republic of Montenegro, Trebinje turning into our border town, like it once was.
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 16:32:56 GMT -5
Serbs are only 68% of the towns population, according to the 1991 census And according to the same census, there are about 10,000 ethnic Montenegrins in Bosnia (14,000 in 1981), and there is only 20,000 people in the city of Trebinje If all 10,000 montenegrins settle in Trebinje we can take back this Montenegrin town and incorporate it into the Independent Republic of Montenegro, Trebinje turning into our border town, like it once was. Absurd. Montenegrins in Bosnia are pro-Serb. Even if the same demographic picture existed and these montenegrins moved in Serbs would still be the majority and outnumber th Montenegrins 2:1. Given the current demographic structure. There are 36,000 people nearly all Serbs. So if you were to move those Montenegrins we'd outnumber them 3.5:1. and in 1991 the population of Trebinje was 30,996 not 20,000.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 17:24:16 GMT -5
I'm speaking of just the town itself, the population being 21,870
14,915 serbs in the town, throw in 10,000 montenegrins and some from the rest of montenegro, it's 1:1
Then add in the fact that there is 4,228 muslims and 347 croats, we are in good standing
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Post by MiG on Jan 22, 2008 17:40:46 GMT -5
^ Dude, you need to chill, and come to terms that Montenegro is not powerful, it is not in a position to gain any power, and it never will be. Now, moving on to the rest of your comments... If you seriously think that, you need to be re-educated, or just plain educated. Take a look at the political situation and whos sphere of influence BiH belongs to. Then you should see which sphere of influence Montenegro belongs to. MNE is in NO position to gain ANY land, whatsoever. Too bad that the people in Trebinje only recognize the Serbian Orthodox Church. That's the 1991 census. Dude you need to update that sh it at least to 2001, at least. 1991 statistics mean nothing today. Even if there WAS 10,000 Montenegrins in Bosnia, it does not mean that they are all in Trebinje. BTW, notice the drop from 1981 to 1991. 14,000 to 10,000. What makes you think that due to all the economic/political opression the people endure, that those numbers have stayed the same. I think the drop would have increased in percentage, very much so. From 1981 to 1991, that was almost a 30% decrease. So with the war and all the problems since then, you can bet that the population is somewhere near, say, 4,000. www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bk.html#PeopleDude, read up on Bosna, and you will see that "Montenegrins" have absolutely NO power, whatsoever.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 19:06:21 GMT -5
Montenegro is more powerful than bosnia, this is for sure
But that post before was just me thinking outloud, as if America was not involved whatsoever
And I was speaking of taking back just the city of Trebinje, and having all Montenegrins in Bosnia settle in Trebinje, this is a very possible idea, if only America was not involved.
Serbia would not interfere, as long as we aid them in incorporating Banja Luka into Serbia, you guys get Tomislavgrad and the surrounding area, I have no problem with that
Sarajevo goes to the Bosniaks, and then everyone will be happy
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Post by MiG on Jan 22, 2008 22:08:05 GMT -5
No. You have to be an idiot to think that.
But they are, and always will be.
No it's not, because the Serbs of Trebinje (let alone Croats and Bosniaks) would not allow this, and MNE would be in no position to do anything about it, nor will it ever be.
But others will have a problem with it. I think that BiH should exist and it always will. No nation can destroy that without destroying the EU and the US, and frankly MNE would not be able to do that in a million years.
Nobody would be happy, because land claims would go on forever. That's the way it is in the Balkans.
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Post by radovic on Jan 23, 2008 1:06:04 GMT -5
Terrror the only way Trebinje/Hercegovina would be part of Montenegro were if RS was to be incorporated to Serbia & Serbia was to choose to regionalize the state with Montenegro as part of Serbia.
That will not happen. Chances are Kosovo will not get independence & as a result the ramblings of RS Serbs about an independent RS will gradually go into obscurity.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 23, 2008 12:26:25 GMT -5
Eastern Hercegovina as far as culture (national dress, speech, music etc), behavior patterns and race goes is indeed most similar to Montenegro (much of Montenegro is composed of parts of old Hercegovina already) and always gravitated towards Serb Sparta called Montenegro which often assisted it. --- Throughout the mid-19th century, Herzegovina was a target of expansion of the young Montenegrin state in the name of the liberation of the Serbian people from the Ottoman rule. Herzegovinian Serbs actively participated in the Montenegrin efforts to liberate them and to that end, they frequently rose in rebellion against the Ottoman rule. These efforts culminated in 1875 and 1876, during the Nevesinjska puška uprising. Montenegro did succeed in liberating and annexing large parts of Herzegovina before the Berlin Congress of 1878, including the Niksic area.
In 1878, Herzegovina, along with Bosnia, was occupied by Austria-Hungary, only nominally remaining under the Ottoman rule. This caused great resentment among its populace which together resisted the invaders in smaller flare-ups that ended in 1882. The Serbian population of Herzegovina and Bosnia had hoped that the province would be divided and annexed to Serbia and Montenegro, respectively, and the Muslim population, who still considered itself Turkish, opposed the occupation of a Christian power. A number of Muslims emigrated to within the new borders of the Ottoman Empire. The occupation caused a temporary rift in the Serbo-Austrian relations and threatened to grow into an open conflict. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzegovina#History-------- Native Serb element in Montenegro (as since the days of Petrovic) has been experiencing a hell of a comeback and will resume to strengthen itself and with eastern Hercegovina will easily become majority. Thus another benefit.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 23, 2008 20:04:51 GMT -5
AAdmin - a "serbian sparta" is a political and nationalistic myth created by serbian nationalists in order to justify their claim to Montenegro
If you believe that, then you might as well believe that Croats are Catholic serbs...
Serbs are for the most part not native to Montenegro, and the reason for them existing there is due to war propoganda and revisionism
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jan 23, 2008 21:24:55 GMT -5
Let's just revert back to Pannonia, was much easier back then!
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