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Post by tripwire on Mar 11, 2008 0:17:20 GMT -5
I will buy the book, tear out the pages you want and send it to you in the mail. you promise? i'll pm u my work address.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 11, 2008 11:29:28 GMT -5
These are mostly correct. The Eols are the Aeolians, Athics is Attics and Jonians are the Ionians. Now the Ionian's fighting the Athenians because they are Pellasgian is the same as the Ionian's fighting themselves. The Athenians and Ionians are the same peoples. Look at my post which I made about the Athenian and Pellasgian connection.As for the different tribes not able to understand each other is not entirely correct either. Those tribes which had colonies and traded with each other had an easier time understanding each other. Those who remained isolated and had no trade retained the archaic form of their dialect which was not affected by the other 'Greek' dialects. You are correct with the Athenians calling the Dorians as 'Barbarian' actually the Athenians considered all who were not Ionian to be 'Barbaric'. This didn't mean 'non-Greek', instead it meant 'uncivilized'. Atlantis, where are you getting this information from? I don't believe your sources are posting legitimate quotes or at least they are mis-interpreted. Can you provide your sources. I have many of Strabo's books even books VII and do not remember any such quotes. As for the Illyrians they are not the same people as the Thracians and in Pseudo-Skylax 6th century B.C.E geographer who clearly differentiates between the Illyrians and the Epirotes. 64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:KMqtOBh8IdAJ:www.le.ac.uk/ar/gjs/skylax_for_www_02214.pdf+Pseudo+Skylax&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us"27. [ ORIKOI. And the Orikoi occupy [. . .] of the Amanian territory.] And the [Amantians], from Boulinoi as far as here, are Illyrians. And the mouth of the Ionian gulf is from Keraunian mountains as far as cape Iapygia. And up to Hydroëis city in Iapygia from the Keraunian mountains, the stades of the voyage across are about 500, [which] is the mouth of the gulf: and the places inside are the Ionian gulf. There are many harbours in the Adriatic: and the same thing is the Adriatic and the Ionian. 28. CHAONES. And after Illyrians, Chaonians. And Chaonia has good harbours: and the Chaonians live in villages. And the coastal voyage of Chaonia is a half of a day. 29. KORKYRA. And by Chaonia is an island, Korkyra, and a Hellenic city in it, having three harbours by the city: of these the one is enclosed. And Korkyra belongs also to Thesprotia more than Chaonia. And I return again onto the mainland, whence I turned aside. 30. THESPROTIANS. And after Chaonia are the Thesprotian nation. And these too live in villages: and this territory also has good harbours. Here is a harbour, which has name Elaia. Into this the harbour the river Acheron emits: and there is lake Acherousia, out of which the Acheron fiver flows. And the coastal voyage of Thesprotias is a half of a day. 31. KASSOPIANS. And after Thesprotia is the nation Kassopia. And these too live in villages. And these live beside as far as into the Anaktoric gulf. And the coastal voyage of the Kassopians’ territory is a half of a day; and the Anaktoric gulf is a little less from its mouth as far as into the inner end, 120 stades. And the mouth has width 4 stades. 32. MOLOTTIA. And after Kassopia are the Molottian nation. And these live in villages: and they come down only a little here to the sea, and largely into the interior. And the coastal voyage of Molottian territory is of 40 stades." Pay attention to the Chaones which states ' And after Illyrians,'. So as you can Well, my first clamed when I started this treat was The Greek History was censured too many times and the last censure was the one served to us .I’m just spending my time in the Library and it’s my right to think in different way as an Albanian. I don’t work in the easy way, there are a lot of books written even from the greeks that doesn’t mach with the “History”.....just clearing up my confusion, I don’t think I wrote anything not written in the books...What you think? Now, I’m bringing to you, what all those Writers are bringing in attention, “the Barbers have a different language from Helens.....and are not one I am not showing the links, because I use the books as information source. They are reliable, not manipulated; they are from greek and roman sources, that 99% of time prove that protoalbanian is much older than protohellenes. Beside that Helens built their bright culture borrowing almost everything from protoalbanian. The expression ''barbarian'' has roots among the ancient Greek and refers to people of a different language (and by default, people from non-Greek culture). Similarly, the expression ''outlander'' or ''outlandish'' is often translated from classic Greek texts, and means something akin to foreigners; people of a different non-Greek culture and language Herodotus 1.57 concludes that the Athenians "changed language" when they "joined the Hellenic body". So they were smth else(we already know they were pelasgians) and Athen was not founded by hellens, and they were alreready famous even before joining the Hellenic body Thucydides" In his book (Peloponessian War) He describes the Barbarian Allies of the Peloponessians. "From the Hellenes there were the Ambraciots, Leucadians and 1000 Peloponessian hoplites." "From the Barbarians there were: 1000 Chaones wich have no King but 2 Prostats for 1 year Fotis and Nikanores. The Chaones are joint by Thesprotes wich they to have no King. In the head of the Mollosians and the Atintanians was Sabylinthius which was the tutor of King Tharypa (yet still a child). There were also the Parauej with ther King Oroides and 1000 Orestes." Strabo: He has writen about the passengers wich passes the Egnatia road(Via Egnatia): "Starting from Epid*mnus(Durres,Dyrrahio) and down to Apollonia, in the Right they have the tribes of Epirus....., in the Left they have the mountains of Illyria.....Then Sailing from Ambracian Golf and on, the places which is in the East and across Peloponnesous are Hellenes Also he writes: "After the Epirots and Illyrians, from the Hellenes are Akarnanes,Etoles,Lokries and Ezoles....is that true ....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 11, 2008 13:17:39 GMT -5
Atlantis...put the cap back on the glue bottle.... Greeks have been fighting each other forever..... the last time was 1946.... I will change your tag to 'the crazy one' at least you provide some entertainment... I am still waiting for proof of Albanian existence from 100 to 1200 ad... Oh..those german stuff you found is hardly enough for us to wipe our a$$es with... you can do better than that. During the history, Albania, is one of few nations in Europe, not capable making propaganda, that's because it's been always invaded and hasn't had the means to. This is valid even for nowdays. We don't call ourselves Moslems , we call our religon Albanianism, and we stress that. Religiousness in Alabania is not low because of Hoxha only. We have been all the time like this. Even in old time the politheist religion was nature enclined. On the other hand people like serbs and greeks are very fanatic and believe in mystic things. This is the truth. Where originally was spoken the new greek language. Was it created by orthodox church, making "catharthis"(clean up) to the old one, in XI century somewhere in Byzantum? Some sources say so. That's the real proof......the origine of what you asking me .....that's way on that time all Albanians were really smart and start converting immediately in Christians saving their land and History from Bizantine Church ...It was the last Byzantines idea ....to start creating two big nations Helens and Slavs (the last newcomers in Balkan Peninsula) over the Pelazgium -Illyrian great culture.... THIS IS WHAT BYZANTINES LEFT FOR GREEKS AND SERBS; Questions? ? Proof of Albanian existence from 100 to 1200.You see how simple it is....... Please, explain to me What –Karma means?
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Post by rex362 on Mar 11, 2008 13:48:53 GMT -5
Atlantis ....at first I thought you were some crazy guy here....
but now after seeing that your main problem is the grasp of the english language .. I can understand all that you write and understand you and agree with more than 3/4 of what you write ....
welcome my pelasgian brother ...welcome home to PF
Karma ?? no need to worry ....just so its a big negative number or a big positive number is all you need to know .....it means people are aware of you ....it being at zero is worse ....at zero it means nobody cares ...you seem to be on your way slowly ....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 11, 2008 13:52:12 GMT -5
;Dpart of the game.......so kanaris seems to be my frend again............. ;D
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Post by rex362 on Mar 11, 2008 14:04:19 GMT -5
Atlantia ....have you notice today there are more Pelasgians on Greek forum than Greeks ?
back to the old day norm ...ahahhhah
soon it will be PF ----> Palagian forum...
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Post by Niklianos on Mar 11, 2008 21:53:00 GMT -5
So Atlantis are you trying to say that Ancient Greeks did not exist and that they were actually Pelasgian, Illyrian and Thracian? And that the Byzantines 'created' the notion of Ancient Greece?
And that the modern Greeks and Albanians are actually the same people?
I am attempting to get a better understanding of what point you are trying to make.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 11, 2008 22:01:52 GMT -5
<<<<< do not breath vapors.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 12, 2008 10:10:42 GMT -5
<<<<< do not breath vapors. Yes.....Greek men can jump......on it
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Post by atlantis on Mar 12, 2008 10:12:41 GMT -5
So Atlantis are you trying to say that Ancient Greeks did not exist and that they were actually Pelasgian, Illyrian and Thracian? And that the Byzantines 'created' the notion of Ancient Greece? And that the modern Greeks and Albanians are actually the same people? I am attempting to get a better understanding of what point you are trying to make. Eschylus, I am Pelasgus, ruler of this land, Child of Paleichthon, whom the earth brought forth; And, rightly named from me, the race who reap This country's harvests are Pelasgian called. And o'er the wide and westward-stretching land, Through which the lucent wave of Strymon flows, I rule; Perrhaebia's land my boundary is Northward, and Pindus' further slopes, that watch Paeonia, and Dodona's mountain ridge. West, east, the limit of the washing seas Restrains my rule-the interspace is mine. But this whereon we stand is Apian land, Styled so of old from the great healer's name; For Apis, coming from Naupactus' shore Beyond the strait, child of Apollo's self And like him seer and healer, cleansed this land From man-devouring monsters, whoin the earth, Stained with pollution of old bloodshedding, Brought forth in malice, beasts of ravening jaws, A grisly throng of serpents manifold. And healings of their hurt, by knife and charm, Apis devised, unblamed of Argive men, And in their prayers found honour, for reward. -Lo, thou hast heard the tokens that I give: Speak now thy race, and tell a forthright tale; In sooth, this people loves not many word
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Post by nina on Mar 12, 2008 10:27:51 GMT -5
-During the history Albania wasn’t a “nation” They were the dogs of ottomans. They were carrying out the “ottoman” propaganda until of course their privileges were flushed in the Turkish toilets. -You can call is as you like…. Fact is that money and priviledges is and was your religion. -Yep as you are talking for NATIONS strongly attatched to the teuctonic myth and with religious respect. Who are you to speak for religion when your people converted to muslim for profit? Who are you to speak for nation when you butchered arvanites for ottoman religious loonacy? -The whole world was speaking greek back then honey. Even before roman empire. Hellenistic era ring a bell? The conquest of the roman world by the greek spirit? And clean up which old one? The Albanian? hahahaha!! And by the way it is “catharsis” and its greek and it is a term from ancient greek drama not a church term. -Actually Albanians were sold dogs to the ottomans. The Arvanites on the other hand proudly maintained their heritage and religion and fought against the oppressor as being devoted to Byzantium and its culture. Now honey smart is not exactly the word to describe Albanians history as being a unique example of a parasitic existence on other nations. And leave pelasgians and Illyrians aside as they have nothing to do with you. Only desparate people with national insecurity would claim so passionate some illitareate barbaric tribes such as the Illyrians with no culture who lived depredated the possession of its neighbours. And all these claims with NO proof. Moreover the so called “Pelasgian culture” which was embodied under the name of the greeks existed in minoan courts not in the barbaric Illyrian sheep-pens. -Well Byzantium left more than than to its devoted citizens: the arvanites. Claim your answers from the Turkish side Atlantis...put the cap back on the glue bottle.... Greeks have been fighting each other forever..... the last time was 1946.... I will change your tag to 'the crazy one' at least you provide some entertainment... I am still waiting for proof of Albanian existence from 100 to 1200 ad... Oh..those german stuff you found is hardly enough for us to wipe our a$$es with... you can do better than that. During the history, Albania, is one of few nations in Europe, not capable making propaganda, that's because it's been always invaded and hasn't had the means to. This is valid even for nowdays. We don't call ourselves Moslems , we call our religon Albanianism, and we stress that. Religiousness in Alabania is not low because of Hoxha only. We have been all the time like this. Even in old time the politheist religion was nature enclined. On the other hand people like serbs and greeks are very fanatic and believe in mystic things. This is the truth. Where originally was spoken the new greek language. Was it created by orthodox church, making "catharthis"(clean up) to the old one, in XI century somewhere in Byzantum? Some sources say so. That's the real proof......the origine of what you asking me .....that's way on that time all Albanians were really smart and start converting immediately in Christians saving their land and History from Bizantine Church ...It was the last Byzantines idea ....to start creating two big nations Helens and Slavs (the last newcomers in Balkan Peninsula) over the Pelazgium -Illyrian great culture.... THIS IS WHAT BYZANTINES LEFT FOR GREEKS AND SERBS; Questions? ? Proof of Albanian existence from 100 to 1200.You see how simple it is....... Please, explain to me What –Karma means?
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Post by rex362 on Mar 12, 2008 10:31:50 GMT -5
I am Pelasgus, ruler of this land, Child of Paleichthon, whom the earth brought forth; And, rightly named from me, the race who reap This country's harvests are Pelasgian called. And o'er the wide and westward-stretching land, Through which the lucent wave of Strymon flows, I rule; Perrhaebia's land my boundary is Northward, and Pindus' further slopes, that watch Paeonia, and Dodona's mountain ridge. West, east, the limit of the washing seas Restrains my rule-the interspace is mine. But this whereon we stand is Apian land, Styled so of old from the great healer's name; For Apis, coming from Naupactus' shore Beyond the strait, child of Apollo's self And like him seer and healer, cleansed this land From man-devouring monsters, whoin the earth, Stained with pollution of old bloodshedding, Brought forth in malice, beasts of ravening jaws, A grisly throng of serpents manifold. And healings of their hurt, by knife and charm, Apis devised, unblamed of Argive men, And in their prayers found honour, for reward. -Lo, thou hast heard the tokens that I give: Speak now thy race, and tell a forthright tale; In sooth, this people loves not many word
NICE .... ;D
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Post by atlantis on Mar 12, 2008 10:40:08 GMT -5
It's too late now, for a new member........ Here you have my first and last answer..... Everything. But here is some more scientific info for you: Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbor joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt. Source: "HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks", published by "Tissue Antigens" 2000. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=AbstractA recent study of mtDNA in Greece revealed the presence of theHpaI morph 1 sequence, which is a Mongoloid marker. Source: Department of Genetics, Development, and Molecular Biology, School of Biology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract"As usual in the Mediterranean area CDe is high, and cDe, presumably from African admixture, reaches about 6 per cent." (p73) Cyprus: ". . . the presence of over 5 per cent cDe suggests African immigration." (p73) Source: Mourant AE, Kopéc AC, Domaniewska-Sobczak K. The distribution of the human blood groups and other polymorphisms. London, Oxford University Press, 1976. The Middle Eastern Haplogproup HG9 runs at 28% in Greece. Source: LluÃ*s Quintana-Murci et. al..The American Journal of Human Genetics, (Volume 68, 2001, pages
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 12, 2008 10:49:40 GMT -5
Yes ...I agree Arvanites were real men/women...
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Post by greek1234 on Mar 12, 2008 11:01:36 GMT -5
Every time an idiot posts something like that i will just post this... "Modern scholars and scientists have supported the notion that there is a dominant racial connection to the ancient Greeks. Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, and Alberto Piazza, have found evidence of genetic connection between the ancient and modern Greeks. Recent genetic analyses of Greek populations have provided strong evidence supporting the existence of overwhelmingly significant levels of continuity between ancient Greeks and modern Greeks (low admixture attributed to genetic isolation due to physical barriers such as hills and mountains)." For more information on Greek Racial Studies or Greek Genetics please visit these websites... racialreality.110mb.com/greeks.htmldienekes.110mb.com/
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Post by atlantis on Mar 12, 2008 11:21:37 GMT -5
dude...most historians, the founders of modern history, archeology, linguistic ancient history, the most famous ones, the ones you must read, study and writer pages on them, acknowledge this fact: The Albanians are the oldes nation in Europe, the oldest race, the oldest language, believed and so far very much accepted by most linguistics as the descendant of Illyrian language, our features, our language, our culture is Illyrian.
;DI am Pelasgus, ruler of this land ;D
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Post by greek1234 on Mar 12, 2008 11:23:41 GMT -5
The Pelasgians were Proto Greeks. They where one of the great pre historic Mediterranean tribes. We Greeks are Pelasgians... The ancient Athenians were of Pelasgian offspring....
No educated person would believe that..... Keep your garbage to yourself....
Also whats with the name? Everyone knows Atlantis was Greek and most likely based in the Aegean basin...
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Post by atlantis on Mar 12, 2008 11:29:35 GMT -5
read my posts above ...try to understand what greeks are trying to say.... or go back to you tube birthdaygame...........
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 12, 2008 11:43:41 GMT -5
Atlantis... I am even being nice with you by calling you by a Greek name... but I will let that one slip by .... but let me tell you something ,Albanian..because thats what you are and never forget that... you were born an Albanian and you will leave this earth as one.... not as a Pelasgian or a Greek or not even as an Illyrian.... now you can ramble on and keep calling me a n- i- ggers..because thats what you have precisely done..you try to pull our history from under our feet and call us ni-gg-e-rs.... and yet you are nothing but an Albanian ..you have the right to believe what you want .... but like I said..... you are an Albanian.... and NOTHING ELSE.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 12, 2008 11:46:26 GMT -5
oh oh you said the N word
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