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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 13, 2008 15:25:53 GMT -5
10,000 BC is a 2008 American prehistoric film directed by Roland Emmerich and starring Camilla Belle and Steven Strait. The film is slated for a March 7, 2008 release, which is presented as 03.07.08 AD in promotional material. Plot As a member of a primitive tribe during the dawn of man, 21-year-old mammoth hunter D'Leh (Steven Strait) travels through unknown lands on a quest to rescue his people from extinction.[1] D'Leh, leading an army, uncovers a lost civilization while in pursuit of a warlord who kidnapped his love, Evolet (Camilla Belle). D'Leh and his army encounter saber-toothed cats, mammoths and other prehistoric creatures in the journey to save his tribe.[2] Release Originally slated for July 27, 2007, the release date for 10,000 BC was pushed back to December 14, 2007.[7] The film's release was postponed a second time to March 7, 2008.[8] www.10000bcmovie.com/
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 13, 2008 15:29:34 GMT -5
Life after people Explore the tantalizing question of whether all the remnants of mankind will eventually disappear from our planet. What would happen to the earth if humans ceased to exist? Would ocean life flourish, the buffalo return to the Great Plains and our skyscrapers yield to the wear and tear of time. Visit the ghostly villages surrounding Chernobyl, which were abandoned by humans after the nuclear disaster in 1986 and then travel to the remote islands off the coast of Maine to search for traces of abandoned towns that have vanished from view in only a few decades. Learn from experts in the fields of engineering, botany, ecology, biology, geology, climatology and archeology as they provide answers for many thought provoking questions. Running Time: 120 minutes 'Life after people' will be on history channel Jan 21. www.history.com/shows.do?episodeId=262869&action=detailpreview crackle.com/c/Movies_and_TV/Life_After_People_2_Min_In_Theater/2140457
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 14, 2008 18:01:53 GMT -5
10,000 BC is a 2008 American prehistoric film directed by Roland Emmerich and starring Camilla Belle and Steven Strait. The film is slated for a March 7, 2008 release, which is presented as 03.07.08 AD in promotional material. Plot As a member of a primitive tribe during the dawn of man, 21-year-old mammoth hunter D'Leh (Steven Strait) travels through unknown lands on a quest to rescue his people from extinction.[1] D'Leh, leading an army, uncovers a lost civilization while in pursuit of a warlord who kidnapped his love, Evolet (Camilla Belle). D'Leh and his army encounter saber-toothed cats, mammoths and other prehistoric creatures in the journey to save his tribe.[2] Release Originally slated for July 27, 2007, the release date for 10,000 BC was pushed back to December 14, 2007.[7] The film's release was postponed a second time to March 7, 2008.[8] www.10000bcmovie.com/ I can't wait for this film.... thanks for posting it... first time I heard about it....
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 14, 2008 23:57:26 GMT -5
It reminds me 2 old books that I read when I was a little girl: "Two heroes of Stone Age" and "The fight for the Fire"; the aithor is Zhosef Anri Roni. Anyone has read these two books???
They were very interesting. The first one tells about 2 young boys who went behind the mountain through a cave (after having escaped the bear) and explore new places with food. They fight with some other tribes and in many adventures (including the domesticating of a lion or Panter - not sure) came back to their tribe and migrated in the new places.
The second book tells about one tribe which lost the fire and since they didn't know the secret of how to provide it, went to take it from another tribe. The most 2 clans of this tribes (composed by several brothers) went in search of fire, because the "King" of the tribe promissed his doughter (Amla) to whom would bring the fire. The main character was Noa and his friends against the other clan of brothers. They discovered also different civilizations such: the short people, the people with red hair, the tribe which was dying (very delicate people with no muscles but with an extraordinary intelligence who tought them the secret of creating the fire with stones and in exhange, Noa helped them and fought against their enemy-tribe)....etc...etc...very interesting indeed...
PS: looking forward for the movie.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 6, 2008 17:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by fannoli on Feb 7, 2008 17:45:59 GMT -5
Question:
I find this movie unrealistic in some parts. Can somebody explain to me: How would humans be vanished with everything else staying the same?(Dogs,trains,bridges,animals wouldnt they be vanished too at the same time with us?)
Why would we vanish and they wont. Isnt it going to be some sort of ecological pressure thats going to change all the earth at once? (ice age or extreme warming of globe or orbital changes or meteor whatever reasons they are going to affect the whole of earths surface NOT just humans)
so it seems like to me the whole documentary starts on a false premise.
Humans are gonna be magically vanishedbut dogs wont as if they have some special powers that are going to survive the pressures that humans didnt. As if they are nto affected by same qualities we are: "hunger, thirstyness, gravity, air pressure, solar heat, nuclear extinction.. etc"
Good fiction documentary though.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 8, 2008 1:26:04 GMT -5
The hypothetical premise was earth after people and what kind of changes would occur afterwards (the analysis of the changes is scientifically based as explained in bellow link and conducted by scientists). www.history.com/minisites/life_after_people/As far as humans disappearing from the face of the earth that certainly is not hard to imagine ( biological, chemical, nuclear and thermonuclear). You want a scenario that makes that realistic, here it is Humans being are far removed from nature (as nothing can be as unnatural as human lifestyle and especially the modern one) that of course would make them most susceptible to natural or artificial calamities (perhaps grouping the pets here is also called for). The food we are eating is more and more unnatural and we are being more and more dependent on chemicals (also medicines, pesticides, hormone treated foods). Humans will simply become even more physically weaker and less immune as the time passes and perhaps some future global biological infection will do us in. In a world where temperatures are increasing which will likely cause methane release from sea/ocean floors that will in turn increase temperatures exponentially. With last part we have ideal conditions for bacteria and viruses (where they will thrive) on one side and weakened humans on the other side (now also facing temperatures that humans can perhaps barely survive in on its own). Add to the mix super killer virus that will spread easily (lets say air, contact etc) but whose incubation period is just perfect in terms of timing that it would be long enough to spread globally and once detected and activated (say several months time frame would do) humans would be checkmated and done. Perhaps it would not affect other animals and humans being most removed from nature in such weather conditions would certainly become most susceptible to any major killer virus. For anyone wondering is there a possibility for a such super virus in the future to pop up I want to remind the readers that there are number of armies (globally speaking) who have segments that deal with creating, analyzing, manipulating and genetically engineering (as to affect certain groups and not other ones) the so called biological weapons (which might be another name used for super viruses). All it takes is a mistake (as in a human error) or miscalculation and it is released into the outside world (from a most likely lab) and humans will be exposed to it. Add new climatic conditions (methane influenced) that world has not seen on such scale since the days of Dinosaurs and you have a formula for human worldwide extinction. The movies still looks like science fiction?
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Post by captainalbania on Mar 5, 2008 2:17:32 GMT -5
You want a scenario that makes that realistic, here it is that of course would make them most susceptible to natural or artificial calamities Or, just maybe..... that makes us above natural calamities you dolt. We can deal with natural calamities better than a goat. If you don't think so step outside and look at any building, it is designed specifically to withstand natural calamities. (perhaps grouping the pets here is also called for). The food we are eating is more and more unnatural and we are being more and more dependent on chemicals (also medicines, pesticides, hormone treated foods). Humans will simply become even more physically weaker and less immune as the time passes and perhaps some future global biological infection will do us in. The food we are eating is designed for a purpose and it is better than natural food. Gives you a biological advantage, by the way. We are as dependent on chemicals (plastics, etc) as a dog is dependent on nature. It is our superior intellect that invented these things that makes us better than an animal. A strong biological infection will do you in anyway. Don't you understand how the immune system works? In a world where temperatures are increasing which will likely cause methane release from sea/ocean floors that will in turn increase temperatures exponentially. With last part we have ideal conditions for bacteria and viruses (where they will thrive) on one side and weakened humans on the other side (now also facing temperatures that humans can perhaps barely survive in on its own).
Ok that last part you just made up. Bacteria & Viruses? Everything has an optimal temperature. Protein denatures at high temperatures. How could bacteria thrive in unoptimal temperatures such as the ones you described above. Most bacteria and viruses in this planet survive at normal temperature ranges. The rest are extremophiles and they are a minority. Add to the mix super killer virus that will spread easily (lets say air, contact etc) but whose incubation period is just perfect in terms of timing that it would be long enough to spread globally and once detected and activated (say several months time frame would do) humans would be checkmated and done. Perhaps it would not affect other animals and humans being most removed from nature in such weather conditions would certainly become most susceptible to any major killer virus. Yeah right, a magical super-killer airborne virus that will spread all around the world using wind. We already know all the diseases caused by bacteria and viruses on this planet and have a good grip on how to control them. Do you know how long it takes for airborne pathogens to travel? Do you even know what a virus looks like, or how to contract one? I doubt it by what you just posted. For anyone wondering is there a possibility for a such super virus in the future to pop up I want to remind the readers that there are number of armies (globally speaking) who have segments that deal with creating, analyzing, manipulating and genetically engineering (as to affect certain groups and not other ones) the so called biological weapons (which might be another name used for super viruses). Biological weapons are specifically designed to do a job. Its job is to infect the people you spray it with and they die. A good biological weapon kills its intended target and thats it. Why would scientists design a weapon with no purpose? You've been watching too many sci-fi movies. All it takes is a mistake (as in a human error) or miscalculation and it is released into the outside world (from a most likely lab) and humans will be exposed to it. Add new climatic conditions (methane influenced) that world has not seen on such scale since the days of Dinosaurs and you have a formula for human worldwide extinction. Keep talking, Aadmin, you're looking real smart. The movies still looks like science fiction? Yes, actually it does.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2008 12:08:53 GMT -5
some several links and points as they relate to what I wrote (and in an order as they relate to each other) _____________ 1) CO2 warming*major green house gas that is causing warming today Top: Increasing atmospheric CO2 levels as measured in the atmosphere and ice cores. Bottom: The amount of net carbon increase in the atmosphere, compared to carbon emissions from burning fossil fuel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas_____________ 2) Methane*#1 above will unable Methane to be released from ocean floors *Methane, once released, will cause exponential temp. increase (which on its own will likely spell demise of human race and much of life on the blue planet but lets say it doesn't) "This means that a methane emission will have 25 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (about 10 years), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 72. The Earth's methane concentration has increased by about 150% since 1750, and it accounts for 20% of the total radiative forcing from all of the long-lived and globally mixed greenhouse gases.[11]" At high pressures, such as are found on the bottom of the ocean, methane forms a solid clathrate with water, known as methane hydrate. An unknown, but possibly very large quantity of methane is trapped in this form in ocean sediments. The sudden release of large volumes of methane from such sediments into the atmosphere has been suggested as a possible cause for rapid global warming events in the Earth's distant past, such as the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum of 55 million years ago.
One source estimates the size of the methane hydrate deposits of the oceans at ten trillion tons (10 exagrams)[citation needed]. Theories suggest that should global warming cause them to heat up sufficiently, all of this methane could again be suddenly released into the atmosphere. Since methane is twenty-three times stronger (for a given weight, averaged over 100 years) than CO2 as a greenhouse gas; this would immensely magnify the greenhouse effect, heating Earth to unprecedented levels (see Clathrate gun hypothesis). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane#Methane_as_a_greenhouse_gas_____________ 3) Human Immune System and Medicines*weakening systems require now scores of medications *in new methane worlds we are talking humans = walking 'zombies' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system#Manipulation_in_medicine_____________ 4) 'Modified' (ex. Hormone Induced) Foods*help weaken our immune system along with pollution en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies_____________ 5) Virus & Bacteria*some thrive in extreme temperatures unlike humans (hot springs) *bellow definition bellow clearly separates them from other life forms "It has been argued whether viruses are living organisms. Some consider them non-living as they do not meet the criteria of the definition of life. For example, unlike most organisms, viruses do not have cells. However, viruses have genes and evolve by natural selection. Others have described them as organisms at the edge of life." "It is possible that viruses represent a primitive form of self replicating DNA and are a precursor to life as it is presently defined.[23] Other infectious particles which are even simpler in structure than viruses include viroids, satellites, and prions." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Origins--------- "Although the vast majority of these bacteria are rendered harmless or beneficial by the protective effects of the immune system, a few are pathogenic bacteria and cause infectious diseases, including cholera, syphilis, anthrax, leprosy and bubonic plague. The most common fatal bacterial diseases are respiratory infections, with tuberculosis alone killing about 2 million people a year, mostly in sub-Saharan Africa.[6] In developed countries, antibiotics are used to treat bacterial infections and in various agricultural processes, so antibiotic resistance is becoming common." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacterium------- extreme conditions as ideal conditions for pathogensUnfortunately, hot springs can create ideal conditions to spread infections.
* Naegleria fowleri, an amoeba, lives in warm waters and soils worldwide and can be a cause of meningitis.[23][24] Several deaths have been attributed to this amoeba, which enters the brain through the nasal passages.[25][26]
* Acanthamoeba also can spread through hot springs, according to the US Centers for Disease Control.[27]
* Legionella bacteria have been spread through hot springs.[28][29]
* A bather may have been infected by the herpes simplex virus in his toe from a hot spring in Japan.[3
"Viruses have been collected from very extreme environments, for example, a hot spring with a temperature of 87 °C (189 °F) to 93 °C (199 °F) and an incredibly acidic pH of 1.5 in Pozzuoli, Italy. These viruses were observed to infect cells in the laboratory." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_springs#Infections_from_hot_springs_____________ 6) Biological Weapons*made by human armies (ultimate goal: 'controlled' super virus) *releasing them in a major airport will have them spread across globe in matter of days) *combined possibility of human error in judgment and global warning make creating a future super virus possible if not probable. "A biological warfare weapon may be intended to kill, incapacitate or seriously impede on an individual as well as entire cities or places. It may also be defined as the material or defense against such employment. Biological warfare is a military technique that can be used by nation-states or non-national group. In the latter case, or if a nation-state uses it clandestinely, it may also be bioterrorism." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare_____________ 7) Earthquake, Human Lives and Buildings* Just one natural calamity that can wipe them (buildings) out *the movie 'Life without humans' was clear on just how easily will traces of human civilization disappear without human presence. "With the rapid growth of mega-cities such as Mexico City, Tokyo or Tehran, in areas of high seismic risk, some seismologists are warning that a single quake may claim the lives of up to 3 million people." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake#Size_and_frequency_of_occurrence
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 5, 2008 15:01:59 GMT -5
Adamin...your posts do frighten me !!!
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Post by julius on Mar 5, 2008 15:23:43 GMT -5
I heard on tv about a study that more or less says we are turning into..females. It all has to do about the plastic and chemical products we use.
I dont know if this might be true. Study says that we'll notice that in 50 years of time.
I made a promise to myself from the day I heard that "I will never stop eating vegetables".
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2008 16:37:00 GMT -5
Teuta
Sorry if I scare you but I just say it as I see it. That is not a guaranteed future but one that is probable at this point (granted everything continues going business as usual in terms of pollution and its expected acceleration with new economic powerhouses like China and India trying to catch up with the so called developed world or 'West'). If humans can not understand that problem and can not find the remedy (easy: reduce pollution and somehow gradually reduce global human population perhaps through more education, increased women rights, planned parenthood etc) then the scenario above is probable. World has become too small. We can still prevent above scenario from ever happening but 100-200 years in future (granted everything continues as is) will likely be too late. So there is a chance but the centennial clock is ticking.
Julius
I don't know about turning into females part (certainly western societies do tend to gravitate towards more feminine-like passive behavior patterns as acceptable norms for both females and males as passive citizen makes an obedient thus a good citizen) but George Carlin hits the nail (caution: foul language at times) as to why. Also chemicals are poisons that go straight into human system (example is perfume that goes straight into the blood stream)
George Carlin Speaks The Truth on Stage
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Post by albquietman on Mar 5, 2008 17:04:26 GMT -5
We can not turn into females. The study was about the newborns. What's happening is because of the pollution, the chemicals and hormones that we use to produce our food, are affecting the male/female ratio in the world's human population. It already happened in a tribe in Canada, where people use to provide almost of their food from a river that was polluted by some factories and plants. What happened there was that there were born almost 50% more females than males. Nature tends to keep a ratio 1 female to 1.2 males, just because according to a study that I read some time ago, we males are considered a weaker sex than females (did you hear that girls...hope that makes you feel better about yourselves... ...), so nature compensates that. It sounded strange to me, but that's what the study says. Talking about the Aadmin scenario...well it's a kind of over the limits, just because what's happening today it has happened in the past. Global warming is a phenomena that happens periodically. Have you ever wondered why Greenland is called Greenland? Well, there is e reason, because it was green and not icy like today. When the first vikings settlers went there for the first time, they found a land covered with green and forests. That was the time when in England the vineyard and the wineries were a big business, but not anymore after the 14 century, when the Little Ice Age Started. The vineyards were gone, and the Greenland started to get covered with ice. At that time the food shortages were common thing, and of course there were no more wine, so that was the time when beer was invented. Anyway, my point on all of this is that the human race has survived such climate changes, and will survive this one too, the Global warming that as they say is it happening. Of course there might be massive deaths because of infective illnesses, but not on the same scale as in the past. And this Global Warming it's not caused by us humans, it's just a cycle that it cause by the Sun's heat. It exists a relation between CO2 and the temperature, but its the heat that produces most of the CO2, not the human activity, as Al Gore tries to explain in his movie...
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2008 17:20:46 GMT -5
Etymology Look up Greenland in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The name Greenland comes from Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Norwegian-born Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find the land that was rumoured to be to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grænland ("Greenland"), possibly in order to attract more people to settle there.[4] Greenland was also called Gruntland ("Ground-land") and Engronelant (or Engroneland) on early maps. Whether green is an erroneous transcription of grunt ("ground"), which refers to shallow bays, or vice versa, is not known. It should also be noted, however, that the southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glacier) is indeed very green in the summer and was likely to have been even greener in Erik's time because of the Medieval Warm Period.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Etymology---------- As far as know Greenland was called as such in order to attract more Scandinavians to settle and it only an extreme southern part that is green in the summer as rest (over 95% of the remaining mass of Greenland) remains icy.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Mar 5, 2008 20:50:56 GMT -5
If humans can not understand that problem and can not find the remedy (easy: reduce pollution and somehow gradually reduce global human population perhaps through more education, increased women rights, planned parenthood etc)
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2008 23:37:22 GMT -5
Yes I believe that planet is way over populated as is and I have read reports that Earth can not sustain in long term more then 200 million people (as there are not enough earthly resources to do so and 200 million was a number earth had been comfortable with since the days before roman empire) so the issue is to reduce the numbers of humans gradually through whatever means might unable us to do just that. Education - more educated and secular populace has showed tendency to decrease reproduction levels in a number of examples throughout the world (entire score of industrialized nations from across Europe, east Asia etc). Increased women's rights - more rights given to women in third world countries (couped with higher education of course) means less cultural control exerted over them (where in effect they are slaves, as the rest, to cultural or religious norms) will will translate (as it has in the so called 'West') into decreased human numbers with smaller amount of units being pumped out (as George Carlin would put it). There is no foreseeable reason as to why would anyone need to have scores of units (children) as it is the case in many countries (Yemen will increase fivefold in next 50 years from 20 to 120 million people as will Saudi Arabia, same numbers). The reason this exists is the such countries have not managed to turn secular in a new secular scientific age and still follow old rules (such as having many children, since in old days many would not survive) and these couped with new ones (new medicines significantly decrease mortality) produce such extremes. Second huge issue is rampant consumerism (from rightist to leftist societies) that is perhaps by far the biggest threat we are facing as human species (of course couped with huge ever more demanding human population numbers) as it is precisely that which has amplified this pollution output and will even accelerate it more and faster in near foreseeable feature and which is a cancer that at this point might have effectively turned fully malignant. I believe we have almost reached the point when the very reproduction itself will not be even viewed as an automatic right as there are way to many humans (one human in their life time will alone create enormous amounts of green house gases whether directly, CO2, or indirectly, ex. cars etc) and soon there will be a scientific reason for one to be granted a right to reproduce (as in how does this benefit overall human kind). Doesn't sound humane and it sounds too 'cold' (=scientific), well, being 'humane' (often=delusional since talking chimps are part emotional) brought us to this practically apocalyptic point from which only science has a chance in a blue hell to take us out from. Basic idea is restoring some natural earthly balance that might actually benefit human kind and other life forms on our blue planet. The very balance that has been greatly disturbed by our species and now seems to be on its way (as a boomerang) to finish us off if some drastic scientific steps are not taken to remedy the huge problem that we as species have created to our own misfortune. __________ perhaps more insight might be gained from links like one bellow en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_philosophy
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Post by donnie on Mar 6, 2008 9:23:06 GMT -5
The movie 10,000 BC looks like a good movie. But historically speaking, it is full of errors. Firstly, 10,000 BC equals around 12,000 years from now. Back then, the agriculture revolution had yet to begin, yet in the movie we see Egyptian like civilizations with Zulu influences in combination with the Stone Age ... as well as the presence of, by then, extinct animals such as the mammoth etc.
Nevertheless, it seems to have cool effects. It slightly reminds me of Apocalypto, which I liked, so I will probably see it.
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Post by Bozur on Mar 6, 2008 13:23:51 GMT -5
Gaza I believe has the highest reproduction level in the world (4% annual increase; decreased somewhat for the year of 2007) and bellow article is a good example of what happens when unsustainable overpopulation occurs. New Report Finds Gaza Humanitarian Situation is Worst in 40 years "According to the report, more than one million people or 80 percent of Gaza's population is now dependent on food aid and that Gaza's power, water and sewage systems have collapsed. "www.voanews.com/english/2008-03-06-voa24.cfm---------- facts on Gaza strip www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 7, 2008 20:56:44 GMT -5
The mist- typical stephen king film....
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Post by albquietman on Mar 12, 2008 12:57:37 GMT -5
I don't think so...I haven't seen this movie yet, but "The Mist" is totally different. From the trailer it doesn't even look like Stephen King's style at all.
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