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Post by donnie on May 27, 2008 21:25:52 GMT -5
Funny, I'm supposedly one of these 'non-attractive' & 'Muslim' (I didn't know religion had an impact on your appearanc) Albanians from Kosova ... yet I have never felt particularly unattractive around Greeks. Nor has any Greek I've met surpassd me in height. Though I haven't been to Greece, these impressions were confirmed by my cousin who has been there.
To Basil's dismay I might add that I had an experience with a Greek girl once ... it might perhaps comfort you that she was part Swedish, but it really didn't show in her appearance. Wonder, what's your explanation to that? I mean, if not even our own women want us when they can have 'superior' Greeks (did not know that baldness and short stature were indicators of superiority) .... then why would Greek women want us? Just a thought.
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Post by albquietman on May 27, 2008 22:11:31 GMT -5
I can't say I like the song, but the violin is really nice and the albanian girl is really talented. If this is their first song, I can say that they will do good in the future.
Guys, do not ruin any single topic with racist comments...
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Post by Toskaliku on May 27, 2008 22:37:05 GMT -5
1. Its true, there is little in her face thats Albanians. its that ugly long face Greco look. 2. This is kind of like looking at Heidi Klum with Seal. 3. That she is marrying Greek doesnt bother me, its the cooperation. Albs should shun anyone who cooperates with the enemy..
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Post by Kanaris on May 27, 2008 22:53:55 GMT -5
Toski..you're still a little kid... you write like one.... and you act like one.... I would think all those classical books you read would shed some light in the dim head of yours... Come on snap out of it... it doesn't suit you when you try to act dumb and cool at the same time... I mean can you picture Pee Wee Herman trying to be cool? ;D Donnie.... Repeat fast ten times the following phrase..."I was born on a pirate ship"
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Post by mendor on May 27, 2008 23:48:41 GMT -5
Haha Bacil dot fu.. it complitely now..what roots ??/Does that dark guy has the same roots with that blonde !? I dont think so.And i dont think that the discribe of the Albanian guys that jou just did it really truth.It was a little bit to emotional isn't it !
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Post by greek1234 on May 28, 2008 0:50:39 GMT -5
The Muslims in Greece at least whats left of them ;D are usually blonds (more mixed) so yes your faith can have an effect on your appearance I'm guessing most likely because of the Millet system. I don't find Albanians ugly, I just consider them primitive, By the way why make fun of Persians? Have you read there history? They make great leaders, they are usually tall and dark, i heard the chicks like that.
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 28, 2008 0:51:25 GMT -5
....to tell the truth, the girl playing the violin is not that pretty... ...but she performs with so much spirit...
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Post by fannoli on May 28, 2008 1:05:00 GMT -5
My taste right at this moment. Nice song portraying some good political messages.
O i shkret a se ke vrejt qe krejt bota po na shan.
Na knaqi politika shqiptari po te ngulet thika
Prape e hajme ate qe na servohet
O vlla qeli syte me shpejt se te hongert terri
Kthjellu pak e mos e le vetem t'lidhun ne zinxhir
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Post by Duke John on May 28, 2008 1:12:51 GMT -5
The Muslims in Greece at least whats left of them ;D are usually blonds (more mixed) so yes your faith can have an effect on your appearance I'm guessing most likely because of the Millet system. I don't find Albanians ugly, I just consider them primitive, By the way why make fun of Persians? Have you read there history? They make great leaders, they are usually tall and dark, i heard the chicks like that. The why greeks look like persians (middle easterns) compared to us? why Albanians look way more european than greeks? its not the religion that shapes your appereance, its the blood line! Haha Bacil dot fu.. it complitely now..what roots ??/Does that dark guy has the same roots with that blonde !? I dont think so.And i dont think that the discribe of the Albanian guys that jou just did it really truth.It was a little bit to emotional isn't it ! Of course they dont have same roots Mentor, the roots of that greek guy is propably form here: img219.imageshack.us/img219/6383/greeklg3.pngAnd the girls roots are obvioustly from here: img135.imageshack.us/img135/5816/albtv4.png
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Post by greek1234 on May 28, 2008 1:29:04 GMT -5
Middle Easterners are part of Mediterranean race, just like Greeks, Italians and the Iberians (Spaniards and Portuguese). Albanians do not look any more 'European' then Greeks, what you mean to say is they look more central European then Greeks. Do not forget there is no such thing as a 'European race' (unless you want to believe in 19th century north European nationalism, which ended in the death of millions of Europeans in the mid twentieth century.) This is how it is basically described..
Nordic (Usually Northern Europe)
Alpine (Usually Central Europe)
Mediterranean (Usually South Europe, The Middle East and North Africa)
Greeks and Persians are apart of the Mediterranean stock but different categories, so to the trained eye we would look different, not to mention Greeks are a southern and central European blend.
Under the Millet system Christians and Muslims were not allowed to marry, after hundred of years would there not be a racial divide? Also Carleton Steven Coon states that the Greek Muslims who inhabit Thrace in the north are blonder then the other Greeks.
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Post by donnie on May 28, 2008 6:11:34 GMT -5
You sure? Because even the Sultans married Christian women of Greek & Armenian descent.
The Ottomans implemented a complex code of laws that included the Sharia but also other canons. In many cases the las were not rigorously implemented, and exceptions were thus common. Ali pasha Tepelena's wife, Vassiliki, was a Christian Greek girl for instance.
Another example is the idea of Christians being reduced to a class of rayas whereas Muslims served as the empire's military forces an reserves. Yet records confim the existance of Christian landholding sipahis, and the use of Christian irregulars in warfare was a common practice.
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Post by Kanaris on May 28, 2008 7:27:26 GMT -5
These Christian women were robbed from their homes and used as wives/slaves..... There's not a shred of evidence that a Christian woman married a Muslim wanting to.
Give me a break when you sputter BS out like that.... The ottomans excelled at the slave trade..... they practically sold most of the Chian population that wasn't massacred in bazaars in Egypt.
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Post by donnie on May 28, 2008 12:17:06 GMT -5
These Christian women were robbed from their homes and used as wives/slaves..... There's not a shred of evidence that a Christian woman married a Muslim wanting to. Give me a break when you sputter BS out like that.... The ottomans excelled at the slave trade..... they practically sold most of the Chian population that wasn't massacred in bazaars in Egypt. Kanaris, I know you do not like the Ottoman empire particularly, and neither do I (continuous warfare reduced Albania to an economic backwater with longlasting effects). But that does not allow for us to be unfair in our judgement. While the Ottoman empire was, without a doubt, negative in many aspects, it was also, in comparison to its local Christian predecessors and contemporaries in W. Europe, far more liberal in many aspects, including the social one; the landtied serfs especially enjoyed a degree of emancipation. And these formed the bulk of Balkan peasntry. One illustrating example is the comparison of medieval Serba and the Ottoman empire; in Serba, landtied Serbs were required to perorm labour on their noble's lands a couple of days a week. This was reduced to a few times in a year during the Ottoman period. Mutilation laws were far more liberal, as were capital punishments; there was a tendency among frontier hajduk warriors along the Habsburg-Ottoman border to enjy living in the Ottoman empire as opposed to the Habsbur one, where capital punishments were more easily executed. As far as women go; few women actually had the choice to choose their spouse. So, regardless if they marred with a Christian or a Muslim, women were opressed and did not have a choice really ... so it did not matter if they were "kidnaped" or married the traditional way. Although I question that marriages between Christians and Muslims were conducted exclusively in ths way. Sultan Bayezit wedded the Serban prince Stefan Lazarevic's sister, Milica, and this marriage differed little from other marriages across Europe on a higher level (polltical alliances were forged this way). And as far as slavery goes; it thrived in Europe as well. Remember the triangle trade and the reaon behind the presence of such swelling numbers of African descended Blacks in South and Northern America?
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Post by myzeqari on May 28, 2008 12:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by Mimi on May 28, 2008 12:34:31 GMT -5
dont you think we know what your trying to do? silly person, stop playing silly games or stfu!!
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Post by greek1234 on May 28, 2008 13:27:29 GMT -5
Are you sure these women weren't part of the Harem? They were basically forced wives, i remember reading about a Georgian (?) princess being forced to join one of those. Never the less, this does not talk about the common folk. I would also like to state that converting to Islam meant paying a lower tax. This is the type of 'harshness' Canaris was implying.
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Post by donnie on May 28, 2008 14:23:40 GMT -5
Are you sure these women weren't part of the Harem? They were basically forced wives, i remember reading about a Georgian (?) princess being forced to join one of those. Never the less, this does not talk about the common folk. I would also like to state that converting to Islam meant paying a lower tax. This is the type of 'harshness' Canaris was implying. The tax you're refering to was the cizye. It was applied to the empire's non-Muslim subjects. Despite this, taxes were generally lower for much of this period in the Ottoman empire compared to the rest of Europe. Regarding mixed marriages; there were frequent marriages between Christian and Muslim Albanians and nothing really prevented them. Perhaps it was not ideally looked upon, but these things occured. The same was probably true in Bosnia & Herzegovina as well as in Greece. Remember that the Ottoman empire was a rather federalized one, and much of its laws were not strictly implemented always. By the way, I am yet to see an original quote or something of the sort concerning this millet system and it prohibitng marriages between Christians and Muslims. Could you help me? And what about the Jews? Speaking of Jews, they too are a reflection of the Ottoman empire's generally more liberal approach as opposed to the rest of Europe. While Jews were persecuted in the Inquisition, the Ottoman empire took them in and sheltered them. The Jews, known as Sephardic Jews, flourished as a result and established themselves quite well.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 28, 2008 18:36:11 GMT -5
The fact is that many parents were willing to marry off a daughter to a Muslim lord if it would ensure favoritism and benefits. Remember that girls at this time were ideally to be married off to the most wealthy recipient, if that also included a Muslim, it would also be considered. The king of Serbia married his daughter off to the Sultan hoping the Sultan would grant him favors.
The fact was that a daughter would not inherit the kingdom and the rest of the family would stay Muslim. For many families having a Muslim part could prove beneficial.
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Post by Duke John on May 28, 2008 22:55:14 GMT -5
O greko,thous two gypsy musicians dressed in albanian like traditional dresses are your cousens,thous are the people that we hire to play music when there is some celebration goin on! Correct! thats the area from where some greeks are from and that includes you,at least partially. Someone is talkin about millet sytem without knowing what the hell it is, it is hard for a greek to understand that albanians did marry each others wether they were christian or muslim, but then again...modern grekism is all about religion, there are many different ethnic backrounds in modern greeks but only one faith.
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Post by greek1234 on May 28, 2008 23:37:16 GMT -5
O greko,thous two gypsy musicians dressed in albanian like traditional dresses are your cousens,thous are the people that we hire to play music when there is some celebration goin on! Correct! thats the area from where some greeks are from and that includes you,at least partially. Someone is talkin about millet sytem without knowing what the hell it is, it is hard for a greek to understand that albanians did marry each others wether they were christian or muslim, but then again...modern grekism is all about religion, there are many different ethnic backrounds in modern greeks but only one faith. If you know so much, why don't you fill us in? Till then your just another Albanian spamming the forums with your racist bulls**t, your not kidding anyone by the way..... P.S - I find it sad the way you lower your compatriots, because they happen to be darker then you.... And don't kid yourself Albanians are as mixed as anyone on this planet...
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