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Post by wbb on Jun 3, 2008 13:42:55 GMT -5
NOVI SAD -- Alliance of Vojvodina Hungarians (SVM) leader Ištvan Pastor says that Hungarian parties in Serbia will continue to seek autonomy in Vojvodina. “Talk of territorial autonomy after the elections is as realistic a topic as it was before the elections, but it is an issue that has to some extent been satanized,” Pastor told internet magazine Vojvodina. He rejected accusations of being an “ultra-right winger” as some media have labeled him because of his stance on territorial autonomy. The SVM leader said that the issue of territorial autonomy for Hungarians was part of a broader picture, where this region would just be one of the regions of Serbia. “It would be a multi-ethnic region, not a Hungarian region. Serbs and Croats live here, we all live here. This territorially autonomous region would have the same status as all other regions in Serbia, the only difference would be the territory itself,” Pastor insisted. He said that he did not currently see the political will in Serbia for creating territorial autonomy, nor for Vojvodina’s full autonomy. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=06&dd=03&nav_id=50765
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 5, 2008 23:51:29 GMT -5
This will never happen so long as Vojvodina is majority Serbian, & it will always be majority Serbian. Although Vojvodina has never been a hotbed of Serbian nationalism this has risen a bit due to a large influx of Serbian refugees from Bosnia, Krajina & Kosovo. The Hungarians of Vojvodina are also actually very well integrated. I've actually met a lot of them & they're good people. They all speak Serbian & travel around & do business in Serbia freely. From what I read tensions are usually played up by Hungarians in Hungary.
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Post by wbb on Jul 7, 2008 4:34:22 GMT -5
u cant say that, u dont know what's the future of vojvodina so it's better if u dont go exicted and play bagpipe, cause when vojvodina separate from serbia then throw ur bagpipe in the rubbish bin.
yes that's why Hungarians suffer racism from the serbs, right?
yeah? well it's rather unfortunate to tell u that all those tensions originally and mostly from belgrade, serb themselves living in hungarian neighbourhood are already totally fed up the politics from belgrade, that's they dont bother for autonomy. forget vojvodina, it's always been a hungarian land and always will, serbia took it by force, so it's not worth it to keep vojvodina, worry about ur kosova.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 7, 2008 10:08:29 GMT -5
u cant say that, u dont know what's the future of vojvodina so it's better if u dont go exicted and play bagpipe, cause when vojvodina separate from serbia then throw ur bagpipe in the rubbish bin. OK then when you put it that way... I'm totally convinced that there really isn't a Serbian majority in Vojvodina. yes that's why Hungarians suffer racism from the serbs, right?. OK if you say so. Great argument you've got there. You must have been to Vojvodina plenty of times. yeah? well it's rather unfortunate to tell u that all those tensions originally and mostly from belgrade, serb themselves living in hungarian neighbourhood are already totally fed up the politics from belgrade, that's they dont bother for autonomy. forget vojvodina, it's always been a hungarian land and always will, serbia took it by force, so it's not worth it to keep vojvodina, worry about ur kosova. Woah, my head is dizzy. Sorry, I'm not smart enough to comprehend mumbo jumbo.
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Post by wbb on Jul 7, 2008 23:53:27 GMT -5
serb majority is not a question, the question is who territory is it for most of those 1000 years? Hungarian right? so please study the proper history, then u'll understand where vojvodina belongs for most of the history, vojvodina not serbian my friend even if serbs are majority, vojvodina is a hotbed for hungarian nationalism, all the hungarian paprika are from there, most of the famous hungarians are from there. actually one of my family and friends is from Zenta, they are still there, they born there, they die there, it's their home, Hungarians in Hungary dont want Vojvodina Hungarians in Hungary, they say to Vojvodina Hungarians to pish off to vojvodina, they dont need them in hungary. and yes i been to vojvodina, very typical hungarian land, all those serbian cultures in vojvodina are still not historic, it's all recent. please behave yourself or im gonna have to edit your post, if u are instigating. if u are mucking around then please dont muck around in this topic. cheers.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 8, 2008 6:09:25 GMT -5
This will never happen so long as Vojvodina is majority Serbian, & it will always be majority Serbian. Although Vojvodina has never been a hotbed of Serbian nationalism this has risen a bit due to a large influx of Serbian refugees from Bosnia, Krajina & Kosovo. The Hungarians of Vojvodina are also actually very well integrated. I've actually met a lot of them & they're good people. They all speak Serbian & travel around & do business in Serbia freely. From what I read tensions are usually played up by Hungarians in Hungary. North Vojvodina should be part of Hungary and should never left Hungary. The people who did Trianon didnt do it on ethnic lines and the fact is Vojvodina and Northern Vojvodina especially is historically very Hungarian region.
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Post by Japodian on Jul 8, 2008 8:09:36 GMT -5
I agree with you arsenije. Vojvodina is a beautiful, tolerant country. I have a lot of relatives and friends there who have a lot of Hungarian and Romanian friends.
There are some groups which are racist, but their influence shouldn't exaggerated, since they are small and considered by most population, be it Serbs, Croats, Hungarians, Slovaks or Romanians, as idiots. You have also neo-Nazi idiots in Germany, but as we know Germany is not a Nazi country.
As it goes for question between historical right and majority issue, wbb I did not see that stopped Hungary from recognizing Kosovo. It seems to be simple to have some standards until they become double standards somehow. One thing which often makes me uncomfortable when I see those Great Hungary posters in Budapest which have no respect to for example Croatia and Slovakia as independent different nations...
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Post by wbb on Jul 8, 2008 8:40:06 GMT -5
in what way double standard? Hungary recognise Kosovo because they know who's Kosovo really belongs to...Albanians not serbs, we hungarians know very well the behaviour of serbs...stealing other people's territory.
well Japodian, u shouldnt be uncomfortable about croatia being inside of Hungary, u know very well that Croatia had been under hungary for most of the history, eerrrmm Croatia had united with Hungary, and u know what? When Croatia was part of Hungary, Croatia had it's autonomy within Hungary, Croatians people is like our brothers or relatives, more than Croat with Serbs but then again this stupid Slav unity came out, started by a serb of course, cause the trouble between Croat and Hungarians, most notably this stupid Jelacic who wasnt even a Croat but a serb. And what i hear is that many Croats dont consider themself slavs at all but yes they speak slavic language, this is why Yugoslavia didnt worked out because croats didnt wanted Croatia to be slavisized, they wanted croatia to stay croat which i agreed by 100%. unfortunate yes extremist hungarian politicians made a mistake of hungarianising everything in croatia which they shouldnt but it seems croat didnt bother about that all cause they integrated pretty well under hungary, many of them spoke hungarian when they didnt really have to but they volunteird to. U know the croatian symbol? the red checkers? it's originally hungarian, it was in our older emblem, we gave the croat this symbol.
about slovakia, it's a fake country, they either czech or polish, slovakia was always belongs hungary, more than croatia, we call this area upper hungary, but anyway i dont know how those slovaks got there in first place, probably they migrated from either Poland or Czech Republic and settled in hungary however hungarians were already there, the svatopluk empire use to own that region but they gave it to hungary and when they gave slovakia to hungary, the slavs there left and migrated to Czech or they intermarries with Hungarians who later became hungarians.
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Post by tito on Jul 8, 2008 10:21:23 GMT -5
This will never happen so long as Vojvodina is majority Serbian, & it will always be majority Serbian. That is exactly what you said 2 years ago about Montenegro.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 9, 2008 7:05:57 GMT -5
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One thing you must realise Japodian is Trianon wasnt done on ethnic lines. This meant many areas that did have Hungarian majority were torn from Hungary and given to other countries , the borders were done very unreasonably and hence Hungary doesn't forget that so easy. Croatia is different story I dont think there was too much big Hungarian population there, maybe in certain villages in Slavonia a bit but not so much. But much of what is Southern Slovakia today was majority Hungarian and many parts still are. This was same and still is in some regions Vojvodina.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 9, 2008 8:39:40 GMT -5
This will never happen so long as Vojvodina is majority Serbian, & it will always be majority Serbian. That is exactly what you said 2 years ago about Montenegro. No, I didn't. You're comparing apples & oranges anyway.
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Post by wbb on Jul 10, 2008 6:13:05 GMT -5
nope, he's comparing green apples and red apples.
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Post by radovic on Jul 12, 2008 18:46:38 GMT -5
Doesn't anyone understand that what this Hungarians want is a change in okrug boundaries, a decrease in Vojvodina's powers and an increase in the powers of okrugs.
I agree with this. The only thing I don't agree with the Hungarians is that the Hungarians want this okrug powers increase to apply only to Hungarian areas and not in the rest of Serbia.
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Post by radovic on Jul 12, 2008 18:48:20 GMT -5
nope, he's comparing green apples and red apples. Vojvodina and Montenegro are in no way similar. Vojvodina is not a republic and it never was. Montenegro was, and thus had the right to independence under SFRY, FRY (although in this case it is rather questionable) and SCG constitutions. So, arsenije is 100% correct.
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Post by wbb on Jul 13, 2008 2:30:02 GMT -5
i dont know why u are saying this because Vojvodina was one of the republic that joined into State of Yugoslavia like Kosova, Montenegro, etc,etc, not Serbia, so if Serbia gonna use the name Yugoslavia again that's a different story, then Serbia has the excuse to claim Vojvodina but otherwise no, because Vojvodina was never part of Serbia but Yugoslavia. It's a former state of Yugoslavia, this why Vojvodina had it's autonomy before milosevic. So please think twice before saying something about Vojvodina, Serbs said millions of times that Montenegro, Kosovo, Croatia, etc,etc not going to be independent, but look what happens, all of your slavic and Muslims neighbour got pissed off so they took their independence by force which Serbia couldnt do anything about it, yes Serbs took 92% of Bosnia, after that the rest of the world kick ur butt for it, saying that serbia is violating the international human rights laws, and for that all serbs has a bad reputation from all around the world.
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Post by wbb on Jul 13, 2008 5:17:48 GMT -5
btw Vojvodina was still part of Hungary during Ottomans, it's was known as Sandzak of Szerem which was part of Eyalet of Buda which is Hungary.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 8, 2008 17:38:11 GMT -5
btw Vojvodina was still part of Hungary during Ottomans, it's was known as Sandzak of Szerem which was part of Eyalet of Buda which is Hungary. And then it became Szerb Vajdasag - Srpska Vojvodina - Serbian Voivodship. Hungarians have cultural authonomy and I think that is enough all other rights are equal to those that Serbs, Romas, Romanians and others have.
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Post by wbb on Aug 9, 2008 2:21:44 GMT -5
lol i know but that was planned by your austrian habsburg buddy to make hungary weak, however serb vajdasag was very short lived, there's a big reason for it. actually Hungarians are superior than any of those small minorites in Vajdasag, Hungarians covers nearly the whole north while serbs covers mostly south, the rest of the minorities are enclaved in vajdasag, romanians covers most of the east.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Aug 9, 2008 5:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by wbb on Aug 9, 2008 5:44:42 GMT -5
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