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Post by MiG on Jan 4, 2008 15:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by tyson on Jan 4, 2008 17:47:17 GMT -5
also i read that slovenia opposes the fishing protection zone because of an unresolved sea border issue, but there is nothing to resolve because croatia's territorial waters are upheld in UN law. croatia's territorial waters are based on the UN laws of the sea, and slovenia is not entitled to claim any of our territorial waters. slovenia is just crying because of the way the geography is in the region, doesnt allow slovenia to have international sea access. slovenia has no leg to stand on this issue, and thats why when croatia suggested that both countries take this to the UN international courts, slovenia didnt accept because they know that they legally have no case.
now about this fishing protection zone issue,.... the EU wants to bully croatia into everything it wants regardless if it has a negative impact on croatia. the EU wants croatia to drop this fishing protection zone in order to appease the will of EU member states, but dont give a rats ass about the effects on croatia. the EU wants croatia to do everything it says regardless if it effects croatia negatively or not, for the sake of EU interests, and offers croatia no say on issues regarding EU members states policies that effect croatian interests. the EU offers croatia nothing, but expects croatia to do everything it says without question if croatia wishes to join the EU. what kind of incentive is that for croatia to join the EU??...... if all croatia is going to be is a lapdog for the EU, with no infuence or say whatsoever in EU policies which could hurt croatia, then clearly croatia should see no future in the EU, because it doesnt want to respect croatia as a partner, but wants insult and degrade her by treating croatia like the EU is her master. the EU has already implemented laws making any new EU member states have no influence in decision making for the EU, so current EU states have bargaining chips, but EU hopeful states like croatia can aspire to be nothing more than puppets, who wont even be able to dictate laws and policies in its own country, let alone have a say in the laws and policies of EU as a whole. i hope the croatian nation and its government see now that the EU offers croatia nothing but total submission, domination, and exploitation. slovenia wants to block croatia's EU accession???.... thank god!!!!!
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Post by srbobran on Jan 4, 2008 22:47:14 GMT -5
I wish somebody would block Serbia's ascension to the EU...
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Post by tyson on Jan 4, 2008 22:51:16 GMT -5
^ i think kostunica has pretty much done that by opposing the EU's will to an independant kosovo.
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Post by Fender on Jan 7, 2008 0:47:34 GMT -5
Looks like Croatia and Serbia are both pounding the EU with UN rights. I wonder if this would sway Croatias vote in the UN security council regarding Kosovo. Both are similar on how UN international law is being trodden on.
The EU is now becoming and uncontrolable monster for the small nations. If the Slovenes think that they will win big from this, then they will be sadly mistaken when parts of their industry are slowly swamped or taken over.
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Post by MiG on Jan 7, 2008 16:45:43 GMT -5
^ Bunch of kooks is what they are. Dude, if the EU doesn't provide what Croatia wants, then they will choose the alternative (Non-Aligned movement) or just side economically with Russia. We will see.
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Post by Fender on Jan 7, 2008 19:01:05 GMT -5
^ Bunch of kooks is what they are. Dude, if the EU doesn't provide what Croatia wants, then they will choose the alternative (Non-Aligned movement) or just side economically with Russia. We will see. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Post by MiG on Jan 7, 2008 21:24:58 GMT -5
^ Ironic isn't it? The Pan-Slav movement will kick in, in about 15-20 years or so... and there we go again.
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Post by Fender on Jan 7, 2008 21:33:09 GMT -5
^ Ironic isn't it? The Pan-Slav movement will kick in, in about 15-20 years or so... and there we go again. Maybe a new Yugoslavia is closer than we think.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 7, 2008 21:48:04 GMT -5
"If the Slovenes think that they will win big from this, then they will be sadly mistaken when parts of their industry are slowly swamped or taken over."
That is a good point, its always been the case with massive multi-nationals buying out local organisations.
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Post by tyson on Jan 8, 2008 0:58:08 GMT -5
^ Ironic isn't it? The Pan-Slav movement will kick in, in about 15-20 years or so... and there we go again. Maybe a new Yugoslavia is closer than we think. there will never be another yugoslavia. we have learnt the hard way that it just doesnt work, because serbs dont want to be equal partners, but they want to rule over everybody, and rule yugoslavia by themselves with croats and everybody else under them. no thanks. but maybe possibly some regional free trade agreements between the nations, and more co-operation with each other on regional issues.
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Post by MiG on Jan 8, 2008 1:05:27 GMT -5
^ I agree on the point of several treaties between states. Maybe not make Yugoslavia a Federation, but merely an Alliance and a Common Marke/Economic Union type of deal, like the EU (But maybe with more autonomy between member states). In a case like this, even Bulgaria could join such a treaty.
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Post by Fender on Jan 8, 2008 5:03:04 GMT -5
If one were to compare the first two Yugoslavias, you would see that there were two distinct and different models. One could argue that the preceding one was better than the first. so it would stand to reason that the third would offer something better than the last. Its called evolution.
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Post by radovic on Jan 8, 2008 11:19:44 GMT -5
Looks like Croatia and Serbia are both pounding the EU with UN rights. I wonder if this would sway Croatias vote in the UN security council regarding Kosovo. Both are similar on how UN international law is being trodden on. The EU is now becoming and uncontrolable monster for the small nations. If the Slovenes think that they will win big from this, then they will be sadly mistaken when parts of their industry are slowly swamped or taken over. The explanation is simple. Both Serbia and Croatia are small states in terms of population, economic power and size. It is natural for such states to constantly defend their rights -- look at Switzerland. But there is more to that. Serbia has historically refused diktats by foreign powers and encroachment on it's soverignty. Croatia is only relatively recently regained it's independence and defends it's rights as a result. Not only that but it is clearly that in this issue the benefits of submitting to the EU are against Croatia's interests.
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Post by MiG on Jan 8, 2008 13:05:08 GMT -5
^ It is our own fault that we are pinned against eachother. We allowed it to happen, and now, we will suffer decades of concequences.
Fender, it would be nice to have another Yugoslavia, but I don't think it's happening, unless it is what I described as is.
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Post by Fender on Jan 8, 2008 17:30:45 GMT -5
^ It is our own fault that we are pinned against eachother. We allowed it to happen, and now, we will suffer decades of concequences. Fender, it would be nice to have another Yugoslavia, but I don't think it's happening, unless it is what I described as is. Who knows, I'm not predicting anything at this point in time.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jan 8, 2008 18:12:42 GMT -5
I can't believe what I'm reading here. It's like " yay, we're getting into the EU", then I read "it would be nice to have another Yugoslavia". Which one is it? A step forward or a step back ? I agree with tysons last post.
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Post by Fender on Jan 8, 2008 18:33:54 GMT -5
I can't believe what I'm reading here. It's like " yay, we're getting into the EU", then I read "it would be nice to have another Yugoslavia". Which one is it? A step forward or a step back ? I agree with tysons last post. It depends on your point of view. If you want to be subserviant, then join the EU. The other alternative is to join a new or start a new economic block that would help your country. You choose.
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Post by MiG on Jan 8, 2008 18:40:30 GMT -5
^ Something where everyone is equal and has a say. What a great concept, too bad most people are greedy pricks.
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Post by Fender on Jan 8, 2008 19:01:00 GMT -5
^ Something where everyone is equal and has a say. What a great concept, too bad most people are greedy pr icks. LOL, to true.
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