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Post by fannoli on Jun 26, 2008 14:15:47 GMT -5
I dont think Kosovo wants to stay under those lines and a quarter of Macedonia. And i doubt Bulgarians want to join you.
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Post by srbobran on Jun 26, 2008 17:59:22 GMT -5
Meh, if Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia unite (as we should) then it won't matter the slightest bit what Kosovo WANTS because unlike Serbia alone (who could, if given the opportunity retake Kosovo) Yugoslavia would have far more resources, people, and land which might actually make the great powers reconsider their decision to support Albanians.
While we both speak a Slavic language we have very little in common ethnically and genetically (we are of Illyric stock and they are of Thracian stock).
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Post by MiG on Jun 26, 2008 21:35:18 GMT -5
Albanians would have no choice. Why? Because of what Srbobran wrote. BTW, Srbobran, I agree 100%.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jun 26, 2008 23:32:31 GMT -5
Meh, if Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia unite (as we should) then it won't matter the slightest bit what Kosovo WANTS because unlike Serbia alone (who could, if given the opportunity retake Kosovo) Yugoslavia would have far more resources, people, and land which might actually make the great powers reconsider their decision to support Albanians. Very good analysis. " While we both speak a Slavic language we have very little in common ethnically and genetically (we are of Illyric stock and they are of Thracian stock). " Much of Serbia (was called Moesia) and todays slavophone Macedonia was also Thracian land and, under number two, I seriously doubt that there would have been that many differences between Thracians and Illyrians either way (just as there isn't much between say Serbia and Bulgaria in terms of culture, race and genetics as they are mutually very closely related). Take into account that the languages are also very similar and all fall into south Slavic group. It would be a regional superpower together with (at least) Romania and Greece with whom it should have close cultural, political and military relationship.. PS: MIG, I must say that that was one hell of a map (although seeing with big bold letters YUGOSLAVIA across it, from Slovenia all the way to Black Sea would have been even more of a looker )
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Post by markosijekira on Jun 27, 2008 0:55:33 GMT -5
"we are of Illyric stock" Illyric only? aren’t you forgetting the Avars, mixed with Slavs who brought us our great languages and culture? As a cross roads in Europe the Balkans are hardly a place for a singular gene pool, we are all mixed
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Post by terroreign on Jun 27, 2008 2:12:34 GMT -5
Honestly, Montenegro would benefit more staying independent from this thing.
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Post by Anthologic on Jun 27, 2008 2:26:57 GMT -5
They're not Slavic. And this is exclusively a Slavic party. Romania can tag along as an observer, and eventually they can get in. But Sarajevo is definitely where the party should take place . TR is making a clever attempt at the vlach side of my heritage. Everybody laugh!
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Post by fannoli on Jun 27, 2008 4:00:47 GMT -5
You are guys are delusional.
Meh, if Serbia, Bosnia, and Croatia unite (as we should) then it won't matter the slightest bit what Kosovo WANTS because unlike Serbia alone (who could, if given the opportunity retake Kosovo) Yugoslavia would have far more resources, people, and land which might actually make the great powers reconsider their decision to support Albanians.
Not so easy anymore. If Great China who is 100 times bigger than Yugoslavia have trouble with Tibetans, Uighurs and whatso. I dont think its feasible anymore to keep Albs under chains. Thats why the break-up and the following war in Yugoslavia happened. It was a necessity to stop the injustice which cost your own people Bosniak,Croat and Serb lives.
Nice wishful thinking though. The union is too early to think for the wounds are too deep by all sides. ;D
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 27, 2008 7:25:37 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has suggested Belgrade yet. Being the largest, most populated and considering its historical legacy (being the capital of Yugoslavia for 85 years) I would have thought someone would have picked it by now. It's all our faults that it happened, because we weren't ready to accept Tito's image of what Yugoslavia should be.
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Post by srbobran on Jun 27, 2008 11:02:49 GMT -5
Actually, the Avars mixed mainly with the the Slavs in Moravia, Bohemia and Slovakia. Genetic testing confirms that only about 1-3% of Serbs and Croats have any Avaric genes. The Slavs play a significant role in forming our language and culture but they too account for a relatively small part of our genetic stock (particularly in Serbia where haplogroup R1a is found at a mere 12% frequency and in slightly higher numbers in Croatia and Bosnia). The majority of Serbo-Croat genetic pools are made up of Romanized Illyrians with smaller Thracian and Dacian influences (hence the vastly prevailing "Dinaric" type in our countries)
The main reason I choose Illyrians is because I think that it is something feasible that all of our nations can collectively be proud of and look towards for unity. It is like the French using the ancient Gauls for a uniting factor.
We won't keep you under chains but we sure as hell won't let you take our land. The only reason the "UCK" achieved a speck of success is due to huge international support. In the initial conflict, Serbian forces destroyed it within a two week span. Thus, any attempt to cede could and would be repressed.
The union will come, or else the entire Balkans will become a Germanic backyard. Eventually, things will get so bad that a union would be the only logical solution. Only this time it will be done right.
Deucon,
Belgrade would be my first choice simply because it is the largest, oldest, and richest (apart from Ljubljana) city in former Yug. However, Sarajevo is a neutral choice that pretty much all ethnicities can agree upon.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jun 27, 2008 11:57:08 GMT -5
Deucon, Belgrade would be my first choice simply because it is the largest, oldest, and richest (apart from Ljubljana) city in former Yug. However, Sarajevo is a neutral choice that pretty much all ethnicities can agree upon. I don't understand how a city split down the middle during a civil war barely 15 years ago is considered "neutral" to anyone.
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Post by fannoli on Jun 27, 2008 12:26:54 GMT -5
Albanians have always had support from the West even during Yugoslavia. Thats why Tito was so hesitant to play games with it. That is also why Serbs were angry at Tito for.
Your supposed union will not work if there are unhappy people. I think a new age has come and it will be a while before we Kosovo or any part of Albania will be incorporated into your dreams. Maybe your illusions will work when the West goes down the drain and Russian hegemony takes the world.
In a few words. Wont happen anytime soon.
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Post by radovic on Jun 27, 2008 14:19:04 GMT -5
"The six original republics will come together once more. It's inevitable, but Bulgaria might join us this time ahaha. " Heh remember stalin wanted to force Tito into a union with bulgaria under his umbrella. But having the bulgarians with us would make sense, since they are south slavs. A united Jugoslavija would also keep the west from b***hing at us for voting for eachother at Eurovision ;D Wrong. Tito wanted Bulgaria to be included in the union. Stalin and half the communist party in Bulgaria were against.
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Post by radovic on Jun 27, 2008 14:21:29 GMT -5
Having Slovenia in it would make sense, even though we're all bitter because they started the chain of independence movements in SFRJ. It's all our faults that it happened, because we weren't ready to accept Tito's image of what Yugoslavia should be. Trst should be included as well . Trieste is an Italian city and should remain so. Maybe some of the Slovenian majority municipalities in Friuli-Venezia Giulia (Furlanija - Julijska krajina) should be part of Slovenia.
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Post by radovic on Jun 27, 2008 14:26:50 GMT -5
South African solution. Different capitals for the Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches.
Executive would be based in Beograd -- since it was always the capital of Yugoslavia.
Zagreb would have the Executive branch because the Croatian Sabor has a tradition baking back to a reported 7th century meeting of Croat nobles.
Sarajevo would have the Judicial branch.
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Post by Anthologic on Jun 27, 2008 16:08:16 GMT -5
Sarajevo should also be where the majority of sports camps would be, due to the higher altitude.
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Post by MiG on Jun 27, 2008 18:14:45 GMT -5
It will happen, the question is only when.
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Post by Anthologic on Jun 27, 2008 18:22:33 GMT -5
I seriously doubt it will. Unfortunately that leaves Germany and France to rule all of Europe.
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Post by beratsimistrec on Aug 21, 2008 9:42:52 GMT -5
How about Illusion as a capital? That sounds like a good name, the capital "Illusion" of the country "It doesn't exist"
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Post by MiG on Aug 21, 2008 17:08:07 GMT -5
^ Dude, can you STFU? You're not from former Yugoslavia, and you're not Yugoslav, and you're not even Slavic, so why not just leave us in peace? Must you come in here and spread the ugliness that is you?
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